Message From Libya

[JayVols]

I've seen them take off from the airfield in KKMC with a full ATG package and come back with empty racks. A bunch of Iraqi soldiers and armor had really, really bad days when the A-10s were flying sorties in 1991.

I have no doubt.
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[gsvol]

From what I've read, the rebels have actually seized and effectively grounded a fair number of planes themselves. Libya only has maybe a couple 100 fighters total, and many have been in one way or another compromised already. Now that there are superior foreign jets also in the mix, the air portion of Kadafi's campaign is done.

Two of the Libyan pilots flew to Malta and asked for political asylum rather than attack fellow Libyans the first day or so of the conflict.

Then too some Army units defected to the opposition.

I still don't believe that; the rebels are still unorganized, ill equipped, no training to speak of, etc. The fact of the matter is someone is going to have to put boots on the ground.

We never set foot in Serbia, we bombed them back to the stone age more or less.

Quackdaffy's Armed forces couldn't even defeat Chad.

I think at this stage, that's the plan. It will more than likely have a demoralizing effect on the Libyan troops and further help the rebels cause.

1 2 3 4, who are we fighting for??

Al-Qaeda commander calls for overthrow of Gaddafi and introduction of Sharia Law - Kavkazcenter.com

Abu Yahia al-Libi, the head of Sharia committee of al-Qaeda in Afghanistan/Pakistan, has urged his Muslims countrymen to overthrow the regime of Moammar Gaddafi and establish the Islamic rule, taking advantage of current events that sweep through the region, ....
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It is worth noting that Gaddafi brutally suppressed any attempts to appeal to Monotheism and to implement the Sharia Law which are an integral part of Islam. He forbade the imams to preach in their sermons (hutbah) on issues associated with politics, and also brutally punished the Libyans who had fought in Afghanistan.

Sheikh Abu Yahia said that the ousting of Western-backed Arab regimes was "a step to reach the goal of every Muslim, that is to make the word of Allah the supreme" and establish the Islamic rule.

I think that'll happen. I'm not too up-to-snuff on what's gone down today, only the glimpse of what I saw on Reddit and CNN on my lunch break. But that's what will need to happen. I think the Libyan rebels, for the most part, don't want international intervention.

Chavez and Gadhafi's other Latin America allies condemn military intervention in Libya | StarTribune.com

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez condemned military strikes against Libya on Saturday, accusing the United States and its European allies of attacking the country to seize its oil.

Chavez's ally and mentor Fidel Castro raised similar concerns in a column written before the first strikes, while the leftist leaders of Bolivia and Nicaragua also accused world powers of intervening with an eye to the North African country's oil.

 

[JayVols]

I've seen them take off from the airfield in KKMC with a full ATG package and come back with empty racks. A bunch of Iraqi soldiers and armor had really, really bad days when the A-10s were flying sorties in 1991.

Forgot to mention, I have a ton of buddies in the 844th Engineers that was in Desert Storm. They cleared the highway of death out of Kuwait. They took pictures. Graphic pictures. I think A-10's helped in that devastation. I have never seen conventional military destruction on that level, ever. It was truly gruesome, and awe inspiring at the same time. Makes one glad that we have the awesome ugly killing machine called the A-10 on our side.

Imagine the devastation those things would have wrought if they had to execute their primary mission: destroying seas of Soviet armor streaming from Eastern Europe. It would have been death, destruction, and devastation on an epic scale in terms of armor.
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[MG1968]

Forgot to mention, I have a ton of buddies in the 844th Engineers that was in Desert Storm. They cleared the highway of death out of Kuwait. They took pictures. Graphic pictures. I think A-10's helped in that devastation. I have never seen conventional military destruction on that level, ever. It was truly gruesome, and awe inspiring at the same time.
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I visited that area a few weeks after it happened. The Republican Guard were attempting to flee in anything that could move. I took pictures of a big Mercedes blown to hell. Of course, US soldiers love their trophies almost as much as they like to leave "I was here" graffiti, so the legendary Highway of Death looked more like downtown Detroit by the time I came through.

 

[JayVols]

I visited that area a few weeks after it happened. The Republican Guard were attempting to flee in anything that could move. I took pictures of a big Mercedes blown to hell. Of course, US soldiers love their trophies almost as much as they like to leave "I was here" graffiti, so the legendary Highway of Death looked more like downtown Detroit by the time I came through.

Crispy fried soldiers. One picture I found particularly nasty was an Iraqi soldier whose head had been run over by a tank. Gave me a ghoulish Gallagher 'sledge-o-matic' flashback.
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[NEO]

Crispy fried soldiers. One picture I found particularly nasty was an Iraqi soldier whose head had been run over by a tank. Gave me a ghoulish Gallagher 'sledge-o-matic' flashback.
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You are a strange, strange man.

 

[MG1968]

Civilian contractors were selling photo albums filled with Iraqi casualties, both men and materiel for $5 each. Heck, the General Dynamics guys assigned to my battalion were smuggling AK-47's back to the States.

 

[JayVols]

You are a strange, strange man.

Nah, just appreciate good firepower. I did say I found it appalling. I bet my description gave you a good mental image of the scene. I like to be thorough...btw, I prefer the term eccentric. Sounds more dignified.
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[JayVols]

Civilian contractors were selling photo albums filled with Iraqi casualties, both men and materiel for $5 each. Heck, the General Dynamics guys assigned to my battalion were smuggling AK-47's back to the States.

Smoke 'em (AK's) if you can get 'em, I say. To the victor goes the spoils.
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[gsvol]

 

[VOLatile]

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Gaddafi's son is now dead.

 

[gsvol]

The Libyan, er, ‘Rebels’: ‘Now, the time of jihad has arrived!’

Why do intervention proponents insist on calling
them rebels when they call themselves mujahideen
-- Muslim warriors fighting a jihad?

At Pajamas, John Rosenthal has details of a report
by French jounralist Marc de Chalvron, who was
embedded with the Libyan "rebels" before they
were turned back by Qaddafi's forces. They refer
to their battle as "the jihad" -- Islamic holy war.
(At least that's what they interpret jihad to mean.
They apparently haven't gotten the memo from
Georgetown that jihad is really a peaceful internal
struggle for personal betterment, a solemn
commitment to brush after every meal, or
whatever ISNA is calling jihad this week).

The French report shows the "rebels" proclaiming
that "Now, the time of jihad has arrived!" and, of
course, screaming, "Allahu Akbar!" as they fire
their guns into the air.

 

[Burhead]

An F-15 crashed over Libya, pilot managed to eject safely though.

 

[utvolpj]

wonder if we can deduct the cost of the jet from our UN dues?

 

[utvolpj]

Boston.com - Special reports - News

interesting interview

The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

 

[VOLatile]

Boston.com - Special reports - News

interesting interview

The actions in Libya were directed by the UNSC, not the President. We're just the major force of the UNSC.

 

[utvolpj]

The actions in Libya were directed by the UNSC, not the President. We're just the major force of the UNSC.

so if the UN says to attack then the Pres must do it? Also didn't they pass resolutions against Iraq way back when?

 

[droski]

The actions in Libya were directed by the UNSC, not the President. We're just the major force of the UNSC.

since when is the UN have the right to direct US military operations without the president supporting it? i must have missed teh memo.

 

[MG1968]

Libya war: Germans pull forces out of NATO as Libyan coalition falls apart | Mail Online

this is what happens when US "leadership" is lacking