Message From Libya

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VOLatile said:
Why do you call it Wiccanpedia? Do you understand that it's widely accepted by academics and regulated now. It's a perfectly acceptable form of reference. Any changes must be backed up with sources and citations, unlike a blog post.
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I've answered that for you before, recently.

Who regulates it??

And do you claim that there are entries that don't need to be changed??





JTrainDavis said:
I'm just wondering about the reply. Wikipedia is much more moderated than it was in the past, and is more or less credible and informative, without having to dig. It's a handy reference.

It's not like the old days when you could write about Charlie Weis and Bea Arthur meeting at a swinger's club.
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It's great for the lazy man.

'More or less credible' is an accurate statement.






milohimself said:
FTR the academic standard these days is to use Wiki as a jumping off point to find credible research and original documents.

IB4academictypesaremoronswhoareruiningthecountryandhighereducationmeansabsolutelynothing
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Exactly, it is a useful tool but anyone who habitually accepts everything that is written there is a fool.
 
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gsvol said:
I've answered that for you before, recently.

Who regulates it??

And do you claim that there are entries that don't need to be changed??
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I've never asked that question before. Why "Wiccanpedia?"

It's regulated by peer reviewers. If an article is incorrectly cited, then it's marked for verification.

Wikipedia:peer review - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You need an account to edit articles now. Most popular entries are locked and requests for modification must be sent.

Of course some entries go by unchecked, but Wikipedia is trusted now. It's simple, if there's no source then be skeptical.

Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As with any source, especially one of unknown authorship, you should be wary and independently verify the accuracy of Wikipedia information if possible. ... However, much of the content on Wikipedia is itself referenced, so an alternative is to cite the reliable source rather than the article itself.
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For straight, factual information, I will check out Wikipedia. However, for information that is subject to interpretation, Wikipedia is the last place on Earth to look. Books, Peer-Reviewed Journals, and Newspapers.
 
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gsvol said:
It is you who oozes ignorance on this topic.
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You are right. Every Muslim I've met has been intent on killing me; especially, when they were all riled up at the early morning Martyr's Day Celebration I attended...they threw me right into the flaming pit of fire and now I am posting from beyond the grave.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
You really are no different than Joe or GS, as far as painting groups of people with a roller. Different sides of the same coin.
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It would be easier for me to believe that most are not like this if GS, Neocon, and Joe weren't similar to this (on the internet) and there wasn't such a large group of them at this protest.

But yes, I can see your point. :peace2:
 
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A few hundred? It's information put forth by someone with an agenda, just a run of the mill hysterical leftist piece.

I've found that generally, those on the far left throw hissies and tantrums, the right edge loons act as condescending jackasses from inside their bomb shelters. To me, it's all good sport.
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VOLatile said:
You need an account to edit articles now. Most popular entries are locked and requests for modification must be sent.

Of course some entries go by unchecked, but Wikipedia is trusted now. It's simple, if there's no source then be skeptical.
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Requests for modification are sent to whom??

Feel free to trust it all you want, I do not.

And not all sources are to be trusted either.

It would be nice in a perfect world but only the extremely naive would believe that there are not individuals and groups who are about seeking to decieve for ulterior motives.

At best it is a source to be taken with a grain of salt but verified by other sources before going off half cocked.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
A few hundred? It's information put forth by someone with an agenda, just a run of the mill hysterical leftist piece.

I've found that generally, those on the far left throw hissies and tantrums, the right edge loons act as condescending jackasses from inside their bomb shelters. To me, it's all good sport.
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Yeah, it is good sport. If I wasn't entertained by it, then I wouldn't post here. I hardly ever take myself seriously anymore.

Did you watch the video? They were hatefully protesting a fundraiser for a homeless shelter and battered women's shelter.

gsvol said:
Requests for modification are sent to whom??

Feel free to trust it all you want, I do not.

And not all sources are to be trusted either.

It would be nice in a perfect world but only the extremely naive would believe that there are not individuals and groups who are about seeking to decieve for ulterior motives.

At best it is a source to be taken with a grain of salt but verified by other sources before going off half cocked.
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You don't trust much, then?
 
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VOLatile said:
Yeah, it is good sport. If I wasn't entertained by it, then I wouldn't post here. I hardly ever take myself seriously anymore.

Did you watch the video? They were hatefully protesting a fundraiser for a homeless shelter and battered women's shelter.



You don't trust much, then?
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I'm just missing on how a few hundred morons can be presented as a full cross section of the tea party movement.
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JTrainDavis said:
I'm just missing on how a few hundred morons can be presented as a full cross section of the tea party movement.
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Like you said earlier, I'm just painting with the same brush as they are to the left. When being the bigger man doesn't cut it, fight fire with fire, right? I know there are a lot of rational Tea Party members as there are a lot of rational leftists.

It's the extremists on both sides that make me worry.
 
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therealUT said:
You are right. Every Muslim I've met has been intent on killing me; especially, when they were all riled up at the early morning Martyr's Day Celebration I attended...they threw me right into the flaming pit of fire and now I am posting from beyond the grave.
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And all this time I had no idea you were Jewish.

Go figga.

Sultan Knish a blog by Daniel Greenfield

In 1993, Americans laughed at a gang of stupid Muslim terrorists who had tried to blow up the World Trade Center using a Ryder rental van, and then actually tried to get their deposit back on the van. 8 years later a gang of terrorists not all that much smarter than them hijacked four planes with box cutters and knocked down both towers, killing 3,000 people. And suddenly it wasn't funny anymore.

Evil is often ridiculous in its pretensions, but horrifying in its execution. It is silly only until it begins to succeed, and then the joke turns to horror and madness. We may find Kim Jong Il funny, but no one in North Korea does. Saddam's love poems, Stalin's toupee, Hitler's comic bellicosity, Khaddafi's eccentricity are funny only because we never lived under them. The presumptuousness of a Choudary presuming to wave the flag of Islam over the White House and announce plans for dynamiting the Statue of Liberty is a joke. But the punchline is how little we are doing to halt the day when it really does fly over the White House.

"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
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Pakistan has passed the UK to become the world's fifth largest nuclear power with 100 nuclear weapons. Today the mobs bay in the streets of Pakistan for the blood of Christians charged with blasphemy. What happens when an Islamic regime tells us to ban all criticism of Islam or they will launch a full scale nuclear strike? Do you think we will still have freedom of speech left then.
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Well do you??
 
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Rep. Anthony Weiner (a Jew) of NY is married to a Muslim woman, Huma Abedin. I'm hoping he runs for POTUS in 2016. He's a dang good representative. He's the "Chris Christie of the left." Poised, assertive, and intelligent.
 
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VOLatile said:
Rep. Anthony Weiner (a Jew) of NY is married to a Muslim woman, Huma Abedin. I'm hoping he runs for POTUS in 2016. He's a dang good representative. He's the "Chris Christie of the left." Poised, assertive, and intelligent.
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Why does who he's married to qualify him to be president?

And Weiner is a joke... seriously.
 
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VOLatile said:
It doesn't. I just want to see the far right Christians go berserk.
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The only problem I ever have with you, and why I can't seem to view you as someone with an adult thought process, is because everything you state leads back to Christians suck. Everything.

It is your main flaw. Your generalization of all Christians and how you would love to watch all of them go beserk etc etc discredits almost everything you say with me. It is the same as someone saying they'd like to see a Jew take over Egypt just to watch all the Muslims go beserk.
 
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NEOCON said:
The only problem I ever have with you, and why I can't seem to view you as someone with an adult thought process, is because everything you state leads back to Christians suck. Everything.

It is your main flaw. Your generalization of all Christians and how you would love to watch all of them go beserk etc etc discredits almost everything you say with me. It is the same as someone saying they'd like to see a Jew take over Egypt just to watch all the Muslims go beserk.
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That's cool. I have a mostly adult thought process, but not when it come to religion. It's not like I think all Christians are bad.

So are you saying that the Evangelists and far right Christians wouldn't get up in arms about it and attack him for it? Seems like they have no qualms about falsely accusing Obama of being a Muslim.
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I've gathered some sources of information for those really interested in the topic on recent arab/islamic activity, focusing on north Africa but included the mideast, other places and even America.

Hot spot: Sub-Saharan Africa - Page 153
Toyin Falola, Adebayo Oyebade - 2009 - 200 pages - Preview ethnic cleansing and genocide that has cost the lives of more than 2,000,000 people and displaced more than 4,000,000 people. ... President al-Bashir's brutal response to the rebellion in the region was to earn the Sudanese government the ...
Hot spot: Sub-Saharan Africa - Google Books

Congressiona Record - Page 21282 Congress - Preview (2005)


Since seizing power through a military coup in 1989, the Government of Sudan has repeatedly attacked and dislocated ... policy of ethnic cleansing that cost the lives of over 2,000,000 people and displaced more than 4,000,000 people.
Congressiona Record - Google Books

United States code congressional and administrative news: Volume 3 United States, United States. Congress, United States. President - 2005 - Snippet view (pages 4012-4013)
... Sudan repeatedly has attacked and dislocated civilian populations in southern Sudan in a coordinated policy of ethnic cleansing and genocide that has cost the lives of more than 2,000,000 people and displaced more than 4,000,000.
United States code congressional and ... - Google Books

Sudan: ICC Warrant for Al-Bashir on Genocide | Human Rights WatchJul 13, 2010 ... (New York) - The International Criminal Court (ICC) issued an arrest warrant on July 12, 2010, for President Omar al-Bashir of Sudan for ...
Sudan: ICC Warrant for Al-Bashir on Genocide | Human Rights Watch

Omar al-Bashir charged with Darfur genocide | World news | The Guardian...Jul 12, 2010 ... Hague court issues arrest warrant for Sudanese president, adding international pressure to further isolate regime.
Omar al-Bashir charged with Darfur genocide | World news | The Guardian


Sudanese president, Omar al-Bashir, charged with genocide - Times ...Jul 15, 2008 ... Sudan promised to turn Darfur into a graveyard yesterday as it reacted with fury to charges laid by an international prosecutor accusing ...
Sudanese president, Omar al-Bashir, charged with genocide - Times Online

Abbas in Khartoum: Palestinians support Sudanese president ...Aug 20, 2009 ... Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas met in Khartoum with Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir and expressed the Palestinian Authority's support ...
Abbas in Khartoum: Palestinians support Sudanese president - Israel News, Ynetnews

Abbas supports Sudanese president accused of Darfur genocide - PMW ...Dec 9, 2010 ... Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas has expressed his personal support for the president of Sudan, Omar Hassan Al-Bashir, ...
PMW Bulletins

Iran, Hamas back Sudan leader - World news - Africa - Sudan ...Mar 6, 2009 ... Sudanese President Omar Hassan al-Bashir looks on during a meeting ... the Palestinian militant group Hamas showed their support for Sudan's ...
Iran, Hamas back Sudan leader - World news - Africa - Sudan - msnbc.com

Haniyeh: Sudan to give PA gov't $10m "President al-Bashir agreed, thankfully, to support the Palestinian people ... Several senior officials of Hamas have returned to the Gaza Strip in recent ...
Haniyeh: Sudan to give PA gov't $10m

Senior Iran Cleric Tells Sudan That Nuclear Aid Is Available - New ...Apr 26, 2006 ... Iran's supreme leader told the Sudanese president Tuesday that Iran was ready to share its nuclear technology ... Tehran with President Omar al-Bashir of Sudan, center, and with Iran's ... of the nuclear agency and said it had failed to support Iran's program. ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/26/world/middleeast/26iran.html?_r=1

The fatalism of Muammar al-Gaddafi : Ghana Business News
Feb 27, 2011 ... The fatalism of Muammar al-Gaddafi... Gaddafi was able to arm-twist fellow African leaders (except the level-headed Botswana) to support Sudan’s President Omar al-Bashir who has been charged with crimes against humanity in the Darfur catastrophe. Now with his killings of peaceful demonstrators, the wheel has turned and Gaddafi now faces the prospects of charges of crime against humanity.
The fatalism of Muammar al-Gaddafi : Ghana Business News


Omar Al-Bashir's Sudan - Page 120
Diana Childress - 2009 - 160 pages - Preview
Bashir also visited Libyan leader Muammar al-Qaddafi in Tripoli, the capital of Libya. Qaddafi had his own ideas about uniting Arabs and welcomed Bashir. Qaddafi was ready to supply oil, weapons, and tactical support for the Sudanese army. In July 1989, the two leaders signed a Union Treaty calling for a merger of Sudan and Libya. Bashir later praised the treaty as “a first step towards the full unity of the Arab world."

When Sudan's war in the south resumed, Libyan pilots flew bombing missions against the SPLA. In return, Bashir allowed Libyan troops to use western Sudan as a base to attack Chad. At the time, Chad was involved in a civil war similar to Sudan's. In Chad, however, the Christian and animist southerners held power and northern Muslims were the rebels. Qaddafi wanted to overthrow the president of Chad, southerner Hissène Habré, and replace him with a Muslim from northern Chad. In December 1990, the Chadian rebels, with Libyan help, defeated Habré and made Idriss Déby president of Chad.
Becoming a Pariah State
As Bashir's Islamist agenda became clearer,...
Omar Al-Bashir's Sudan - Google Books

The Farrakhan Factor: African-American Writers on Leadership, Nationhood, and Minister Louis Farrakhan
- Page 138
Amy Alexander - 1998 - 320 pages - Preview
In Tehran, Farrakhan vowed to help the mullahs in their bid to overthrow the " Great Satan," the United States.
In the past he has been the guest of Sudanese leaders Bashir and Turabi in Khartoum. On his last visit to the Sudan, he heaped praise on the Sudanese government, lauding its "wise Islamic leadership." But there has been a recent surge of slavery in the Sudan... Worse still, the Sudanese government has wiped out hundreds of thousands of its people...
The Farrakhan Factor: African ... - Google Books

Future Jihad: Terrorist Strategies Against the West - Page 231
Walid Phares - 2006 - 310 pages - Preview
One of Nation of Islam's most ironic attempts to defend the Sudanese regime was to stand against the issue of liberation of Black slaves in Sudan. Farrakhan's group went so far in its alliance with the Islamic fundamentalist regime in...
Future Jihad: Terrorist Strategies ... - Google Books

Farrakhan Said to Pledge Support to Sudan - New York Times
Feb 10, 1996 ... Mr. Farrakhan, who met with President Umar Hasan al-Bashir and. ... Farrakhan Said to Pledge Support to Sudan...
Farrakhan Said to Pledge Support to Sudan - NYTimes.com


Blacks, Farrakhan In Dispute Over Slavery In Sudan - Sun Sentinel
Mar 24, 1996 ... Farrakhan's support of the Sudan comes as the Islamic government of Lt. Gen. Omar Ahmed al-Bashir, the current president, is engaged in a civil war that pits the largely Arab Muslim north against the mainly Christian and animist blacks in the country's south.

In recent years, officials in the United Nations and the U.S. government have accused the Sudanese government of condoning a traffic in human beings.

According to these organizations, Sudanese soldiers and Muslim militias who have been armed by the government have transported captured blacks to the north, where they are used as household slaves.

"It's war booty," said Jemera Rone, a field representative for Human Rights Watch/Africa who has visited the Sudan twice in the last three years.
Blacks, Farrakhan In Dispute Over Slavery In Sudan - Sun Sentinel
 
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