Miami will learn its fate tomorrow

#51
#51
TXA&M07 said:
Clay Travis is all over this right now. Screaming from the hills about how Pearl got jobbed and these guys got off easy.
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He is right in that Pearl's mistake was admitting it after initially lying. Once he lied he had to deny deny deny.
 
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#53
MSCE09 said:
He is right in that Pearl's mistake was admitting it after initially lying. Once he lied he had to deny deny deny.
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Pearl was busted as soon as he lied, and he knew it, which is why he came clean. You don't get bonus points for admitting a lie only after it's 100% apparent that you're going to get caught.
 
#54
#54
As for Miami's sanctions:

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#57
#57
vol2013 said:
I must've missed where the Miami coaching staff ever lied to the ncaa like pearl, oh wait they didn't[/QUOTE

Did any of the coaching staff admit to what happened? If they did there would be no scandel here. So from now on the first thing the NCAA needs to do is ask the staff is did they cheat? When they say "nope" then they start their investigation. Then they can throw the book at them.
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#62
Wow they had to discard 20% of the info they found because of illegal/unethical means of obtaining it.

Good job NCAA
 
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#64
TrueOrange said:
Wow they had to discard 20% of the info they found because of illegal/unethical means of obtaining it.

Good job NCAA
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The most disturbing thing about this is the message the NCAA continues to send to the rest of the league, which is...it is worth it to cheat as long as you keep your distance from the money person, lie and fight the charges to the bitter end, and/or you aren't stupid about covering your tracks. NCAA just solidified it's image as a defunct organization IMO.
 
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Volfan76 said:
The most disturbing thing about this is the message the NCAA continues to send to the rest of the league, which is...it is worth it to cheat as long as you keep your distance from the money person, lie and fight the charges to the bitter end, and/or you aren't stupid about covering your tracks. NCAA just solidified it's image as a defunct organization IMO.
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Sir, Miami's punishment now is so light because they self-imposed some hefty sanctions themselves and were completely up front with the NCAA during the investigation.

The lesson to the rest of the league is to come clean when there has been wrongdoing and get out in front of it like Miami, not to hide things and be uncooperative like USC.
 
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Volfan76 said:
The most disturbing thing about this is the message the NCAA continues to send to the rest of the league, which is...it is worth it to cheat as long as you keep your distance from the money person, lie and fight the charges to the bitter end, and/or you aren't stupid about covering your tracks. NCAA just solidified it's image as a defunct organization IMO.
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Wait, when did they fight them? If anything miami did nothing but cooperate with the NCAA, especially based on the self-imposed sanctions.

What USC did was fight them.

Miami, if anything, showed that if you cooperate and self-impose penalties the NCAA won't do much in return.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Wait, when did they fight them? If anything miami did nothing but cooperate with the NCAA, especially based on the self-imposed sanctions.

What USC did was fight them.

Miami, if anything, showed that if you cooperate and self-impose penalties the NCAA won't do much in return.
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They didn't to my knowledge (except to say they would fight any sanctions), i'm just talking in generalities. It seems in other cases that the NCAA doesn't have as much bite, when the school bites back, but those seem to be the common avenues that make the trouble worth the crime.
 
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#68
Another aspect I see in this case and many in the last few years, is that they seem to be allowing past corrupt and illegal decisions fly because some or maybe even all of those staff members are not employed at the university anymore. For one, there's no way that the people involved with the actions were the only people to know what was going on. And two, the university still broke the rules and must pay the consequences. That is the way of life and what our country needs more of! They need to have very strict guidelines as to where is you break this rule, this is the penalty regardless of circumstance.

A lot of these university scandals which end up in many people losing their job, including those who were honest through the whole thing and had no participation but become a scape goat. It reminds me very much of all the big businesses that steal millions of dollars and fire Roger, the quiet guy that does his job well and does what he is told. In the end, it's rarely the people that are behind it all that get in any type of trouble. I know I got a little off topic, and am not fully talking about athletics with that last part.
 
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I-bleed-orange said:
Another aspect I see in this case and many in the last few years, is that they seem to be allowing past corrupt and illegal decisions fly because some or maybe even all of those staff members are not employed at the university anymore. For one, there's no way that the people involved with the actions were the only people to know what was going on. And two, the university still broke the rules and must pay the consequences. That is the way of life and what our country needs more of! They need to have very strict guidelines as to where is you break this rule, this is the penalty regardless of circumstance.

A lot of these university scandals which end up in many people losing their job, including those who were honest through the whole thing and had no participation but become a scape goat. It reminds me very much of all the big businesses that steal millions of dollars and fire Roger, the quiet guy that does his job well and does what he is told. In the end, it's rarely the people that are behind it all that get in any type of trouble. I know I got a little off topic, and am not fully talking about athletics with that last part.
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Pearl really started this trend.
 
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Volfan76 said:
The most disturbing thing about this is the message the NCAA continues to send to the rest of the league, which is...it is worth it to cheat as long as you keep your distance from the money person, lie and fight the charges to the bitter end, and/or you aren't stupid about covering your tracks. NCAA just solidified it's image as a defunct organization IMO.
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Miami did not just cheat. The program, as an institution, was entirely corrupt. Coaches and players, and probably an administrator or two, could easily have gone to prison on racketeering and conspiracy charges. I seriously doubt we will ever see anything like it again.

Know what's funny? Despite their remarkable success this year, they still are not coming anywhere close to selling out their stadium. Other than UF, their home game attendance is averaging a paltry 47k a game. Out of a 78k capacity.
 
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