Michael Dyer - now Louisville bound (merged)

What's your opinion of the possibility that Dyer is a Vol?

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#828
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volatil said:
You forgot one, Michael Dyer goes off against Oregon. Oh yeah this one, Dyer is a beast at RB. And who could forget this one, 5* RB Dyer crushes SEC defenses.

It's time to get in the game. These other programs we have been bad mouthing for being dirty are collecting hardware.
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I guess we should have just kept Cam Clear, Bonner, Rogers, Janzen Jackson, Nu'keese, Mike Edwards, Darren Myles and whoever else has been dismissed the last few years. Most everyone agreed they needed to go but it would be ok to take a guy that has been kicked off two teams already? It's a double standard and makes no sense. We should have never taken Bonner to begin with after his incident at UGA and how well that turned out. Taking other teams problems have never worked out good for us.
 
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GLDunlap said:
I guess we should have just kept Cam Clear, Bonner, Rogers, Janzen Jackson, Nu'keese, Mike Edwards, Darren Myles and whoever else has been dismissed the last few years. Most everyone agreed they needed to go but it would be ok to take a guy that has been kicked off two teams already? It's a double standard and makes no sense. We should have never taken Bonner to begin with after his incident at UGA and how well that turned out. Taking other teams problems have never worked out good for us.
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Actually in Clear's, Rogers' and Jackson's cases and possibly others; Dools allowed multiple transgressions to occur before dismissal from UT, which is essentially the same problem.

In most of those cases the players cited moved on to another school and have competed without further incident. That would be what is proposed by those of us that think Dyer should be given another chance due to his voluntary rehabilitation if Jones determines he is worthy.
 
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ETNVol said:
Not that I think the Vols will go after Dyer, but how does John Adams' opinion have have any weight in the matter?
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It sounded like CBJ wouldn't want to have anything to do with someone who has had the issues that Dyer has had. He has to think about the exceptions he makes for players and with 2 months in it doesn't seem like he is ready to start making those exceptions just yet. Once you make one it is harder to say no to the next one and the next one.
 
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Vols4us said:
Actually in Clear's, Rogers' and Jackson's cases and possibly others; Dools allowed multiple transgressions to occur before dismissal from UT, which is essentially the same problem.

In most of those cases the players cited moved on to another school and have competed without further incident. That would be what is proposed by those of us that think Dyer should be given another chance due to his voluntary rehabilitation if Jones determines he is worthy.
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well said.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The article never says it won't happen, just tht it shouldn't.

It's not like this article contained any quotes from the staff or AD
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Ok. Well I love a good redemption story.
 
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Vols4us said:
Actually in Clear's, Rogers' and Jackson's cases and possibly others; Dools allowed multiple transgressions to occur before dismissal from UT, which is essentially the same problem.

In most of those cases the players cited moved on to another school and have competed without further incident. That would be what is proposed by those of us that think Dyer should be given another chance due to his voluntary rehabilitation if Jones determines he is worthy.
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Great post.
 
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Vols4us said:
Actually in Clear's, Rogers' and Jackson's cases and possibly others; Dools allowed multiple transgressions to occur before dismissal from UT, which is essentially the same problem.

In most of those cases the players cited moved on to another school and have competed without further incident. That would be what is proposed by those of us that think Dyer should be given another chance due to his voluntary rehabilitation if Jones determines he is worthy.
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Dyer got multiple chances at Auburn then got kicked off the team. He then went to Arkansas State and immediately got kicked off the team. If Cam Clear gets kicked off Ole Miss does that mean we can take him back? Where do you draw the line? I think after being kicked off two different teams it's going to be hard for him to land at a major program. It's not whether or not he deserves another chance but coaches have to weigh the risk reward. I would love to have the guy as a player but my biggest point is there is no way CBJ can take a chance on him. Dooley made a mistake by talking tough and then looking the other way.
 
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GLDunlap said:
Dyer got multiple chances at Auburn then got kicked off the team. He then went to Arkansas State and immediately got kicked off the team. If Cam Clear gets kicked off Ole Miss does that mean we can take him back? Where do you draw the line? I think after being kicked off two different teams it's going to be hard for him to land at a major program. It's not whether or not he deserves another chance but coaches have to weigh the risk reward. I would love to have the guy as a player but my biggest point is there is no way CBJ can take a chance on him. Dooley made a mistake by talking tough and then looking the other way.
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I thought clear is going to aTm?
 
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GLDunlap said:
Dyer got multiple chances at Auburn then got kicked off the team. He then went to Arkansas State and immediately got kicked off the team. If Cam Clear gets kicked off Ole Miss does that mean we can take him back? Where do you draw the line? I think after being kicked off twice that's enough. I would love to have the guy as a player but my biggest point is there is no way CBJ can take a chance on him. Dooley made a mistake by talking tough and then looking the other way.
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I understand and you make a valid argument. No problems from me on your viewpoint. Mine is just different.

Dyer didn't head immediately to school #3 to play football. He took a year out of the limelight and went through counseling to get his life in order at Arky Baptist with the help of his law enforcement employed uncle and came out with a juco level degree. He may not even be on Jones' radar, but if he is I trust he will vet him and lay out the rules before offering.

Clear is on his third school - and I thought he went to A&M. He went juco after UT. Clear's transgressions were not as serious in the legal system as Dyer, but they were very serious as far as his teammates were concerned. They couldn't trust him being around their stuff.
 
#842
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Basilio tweeted earlier that he thought it was interesting to hear Chris Lowe talking about the possibility of Dyer to UT. May be a slight possibility, but he's a HELL of a monster RB. I'd take him now now now.
 
#843
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Vols4us said:
Actually in Clear's, Rogers' and Jackson's cases and possibly others; Dools allowed multiple transgressions to occur before dismissal from UT, which is essentially the same problem.

In most of those cases the players cited moved on to another school and have competed without further incident. That would be what is proposed by those of us that think Dyer should be given another chance due to his voluntary rehabilitation if Jones determines he is worthy.
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Dooley had nowhere near enough good players to discipline his best players. He did not have a full team. Jones does.
 
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GLDunlap said:
I guess we should have just kept Cam Clear, Bonner, Rogers, Janzen Jackson, Nu'keese, Mike Edwards, Darren Myles and whoever else has been dismissed the last few years. Most everyone agreed they needed to go but it would be ok to take a guy that has been kicked off two teams already? It's a double standard and makes no sense. We should have never taken Bonner to begin with after his incident at UGA and how well that turned out. Taking other teams problems have never worked out good for us.
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GLDunlap said:
Dyer got multiple chances at Auburn then got kicked off the team. He then went to Arkansas State and immediately got kicked off the team. If Cam Clear gets kicked off Ole Miss does that mean we can take him back? Where do you draw the line? I think after being kicked off two different teams it's going to be hard for him to land at a major program. It's not whether or not he deserves another chance but coaches have to weigh the risk reward. I would love to have the guy as a player but my biggest point is there is no way CBJ can take a chance on him. Dooley made a mistake by talking tough and then looking the other way.
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If you had/have a son, would you want people to give up on him?

Yes, the kid has screwed up. Yes, his athletic talent is going to buy him another chance, be it here or somewhere else. Sometimes, young men benefit from a change in scenery. To address the players we've dismissed, here(UT) is where they screwed up. A fresh start here is virtually impossible. Because of that, they had to go. Something about being at UT caused them to fail. A lack of connection from coaches, first time away from home, poor parenting, who knows why they did what they did. But what they did, they did here, so for a fresh start, they had to go somewhere else. IMO, it was what was best for them.

So for Dyer, we would be the change of scenery. Whatever hampered him at Auburn, maybe it could be overcome here. Maybe our coaches could help him get on the right track and stay there. Maybe he really has matured. Hopefully, it would be a mutually beneficial relationship. We give him a chance to further his education and showcase his talent, we get a quality RB. It's worth the risk IMO. And I disagree that CBJ can't afford the risk. Why not? We certainly have room in this class. I think he's the quality of player CBJ can take a risk on. Dyer's most likely boom or bust. He's proven to be a great RB in the SEC before, and hopefully could be again. So in all likelihood, he either comes in and lights it up, or he completely bombs by getting into trouble and gets dismissed from the team. If he makes it, quality player deserving of a scholly. If he doesn't, the scholly is open again next year.
 
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Weezer said:
If you had/have a son, would you want people to give up on him?
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What the hell does that have to do with anything? What you would want for your son is not always neccessarily what is best for the football program which is what the basis of this whole argument is.
 
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There's no way CBJ escapes criticism about Dyer. If Dyer goes elsewhere, people will complain Butch and his staff that "never stops recruiting" didn't work hard enough. If he does come here, Butch gets criticized for taking a risky player. If Dyer goes somewhere else and succeeds, some fans will have meltdowns. If he goes somewhere else and fails, then people will be happy we didn't get him, but you still don't escape the criticism of not landing him in the first place. I'm sure you see the other scenarios, so suffice to say, there's no way he pleases everyone when it pertains to Dyer.

So for me, it comes down to risk/reward. Ultimately, worst case scenario IMO, is he comes to UT and is unable to recapture his past glory so we end up with a mediocre RB on scholly. Some will argue the "come here and gets in trouble" scenario, but I don't see that as the worst. If that happens, he's kicked off the team and you have his scholly back. UT might suffer a little embarassment, but give it a week and some other school will have a knucklehead player screw up, and we'll pass out of the newscycle. Best case scenario, he comes in and lights it up, giving us that homerun threat we desparately need at RB.

People will see it the way they choose to see it, but I think the young man's worth a shot. We have more to gain than lose IMHO.
 
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vol2013 said:
What the hell does that have to do with anything? What you would want for your son is not always neccessarily what is best for the football program which is what the basis of this whole argument is.
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It's about perspective. It's easy to look at someone you don't know and say "he doesn't deserve another chance". It's harder when it's someone you know. Then you want them afforded every possibility in the world.

The arguement is basically two-fold. Some are against Dyer being given another chance because they feel he has been given enough chances elsewhere. To that end, I made the point I made.

The second part of the arguement is how Dyer could benefit/hurt the team, which I addressed in the rest of that post.

Reading comprehension is your friend. You should try it.
 
#849
#849
Dyer broke Bo Jackson's...one of the greatest if not THE greatest RB's in CFB history... rookie season record. Unless Dyer has committed murder, you give him ONE SHOT without question to redeem himself. One strike and he's gone. To do otherwise with the opportunity is plain foolish!
 
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Weezer said:
If you had/have a son, would you want people to give up on him?

Yes, the kid has screwed up. Yes, his athletic talent is going to buy him another chance, be it here or somewhere else. Sometimes, young men benefit from a change in scenery. To address the players we've dismissed, here(UT) is where they screwed up. A fresh start here is virtually impossible. Because of that, they had to go. Something about being at UT caused them to fail. A lack of connection from coaches, first time away from home, poor parenting, who knows why they did what they did. But what they did, they did here, so for a fresh start, they had to go somewhere else. IMO, it was what was best for them.

So for Dyer, we would be the change of scenery. Whatever hampered him at Auburn, maybe it could be overcome here. Maybe our coaches could help him get on the right track and stay there. Maybe he really has matured. Hopefully, it would be a mutually beneficial relationship. We give him a chance to further his education and showcase his talent, we get a quality RB. It's worth the risk IMO. And I disagree that CBJ can't afford the risk. Why not? We certainly have room in this class. I think he's the quality of player CBJ can take a risk on. Dyer's most likely boom or bust. He's proven to be a great RB in the SEC before, and hopefully could be again. So in all likelihood, he either comes in and lights it up, or he completely bombs by getting into trouble and gets dismissed from the team. If he makes it, quality player deserving of a scholly. If he doesn't, the scholly is open again next year.
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Of course if you had read the entire thread you would know I'm all for Dyer getting another chance. I just don't think it should be at a place like Tennessee. You failed to mention his experience at Arkansas State had it been just Auburn I might would think differently. It will most likely be best for him to play at a school that doesn't expect him an immediate star since that will only add tons of pressure on him that he may not be able to handle yet. Just because I don't think it's a good fit for Tennessee doesn't mean I'm not all for the kid doing well. I don't need you lecturing me about "if it was my son" and giving up on the kid when I have never said anything to that effect.
 
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