Michigan spied on Vols last year

[TNHopeful505]

It’s time to move to earpieces in qb’s helmets

This will be the last straw for that, I'm sure. Teams will insist on it.

I hope they bury Michigan and any team that benefitted from them.

 

[Unconditional Surrender]

They knew they could beat Ohio State

Actually, after further thought, the point is that there was some discussion of whether Tennessee or the loser of Michigan vs. Ohio State would get the final spot.

Helping SC was an insurance policy.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

 

[Carp]

Game film is basically zoomed in right before the play starts and right after it ends. No staff worth anything would ever trade film if their signals were visible on the film. These collegiate film crews are legit. It's not like high school where you pay a kid or a dad with a hot dog to go stand on top of the press box. That is one layer to why all programs go through scrimmages at the stadium in order to make sure all aspects of the game day operation work smoothly (including film practices).

You might be able to pick up a signal or two watching a game on tv, but not anything robust or super reliable.

I was thinking in relation to the opposing team. Of course they wouldn't make their signals visible, but you would think the opposing teams signals might be visible.

 

[Volnbeers]

arniepalmeralert is such a great message board name--that's my biggest takeaway from all this

 

[Fightmaker]

don't know they haven't been caught yet. Elaborate is a strong word....sounds like it was simple to me and the guy that did it was also simple enough to talk too much.

Agreed, elaborate is not the correct word. It was a bunch of stupid kids who thought they were doing something elaborate.

 

[Fightmaker]

This is just….wow

 

[RDU VOL#14]

This is just….wow

It may be something or nothing, but this is pretty wild . I never would’ve thought this could have gone as far as it potentially has.

 

[dalton_vol]

so rumor mill is saying that SCjr had UT play calling. did the Michigan folk hook up SCjr with the play signals?

 

[dalton_vol]

This is just….wow

it makes sense honestly.

 

[Wireless1]

Prime opines on sign stealing: 'Still got to stop it'

Colorado's Deion Sanders doesn't "buy into" the benefits of knowing teams' signs: "You can have someone's whole game plan ... you've still got to stop it."

www.google.com

Kind of pathetic the lengths we'll go to making excuses for getting our ass beat by another team. Spencer Rattler was on point that night. We got beat plain and simple. Ridiculous the troll jobs our fan base will fall for. This one ranks up there with "Nico being contacted by other schools".

Could Rattler knowing all the defensive calls help him make the right checks and choices? He looked like poo the week before and didn't make a single wrong decision against us.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I’ll add this. I’ve thought for 2 years, even in our 8-5 (7-6) season that if given the opportunity we would kick Michigan’s ass if we played them. You may agree or disagree me, but I thought we were a terrible matchup for them . They were horrible against the pass. If you feel the need, go back and check my stats from November and December 2021. It’s possible Michigan thought it would be a tough game too.

 

[ButchPlz]

Shane Beamer again confirmed shitbag. Hope he gets canned.

 

[AlwaysOrangeNeverBlue]

Could Rattler knowing all the defensive calls help him make the right checks and choices? He looked like poo the week before and didn't make a single wrong decision against us.

Statistical anomalies typically point to this. It's one of many ways forensic accountants and experts find manipulation. Here's two to consider:

1. For the people who say knowing the signs don't matter, you still have to stop them. Logically, false. Just knowing run vs. pass alone is a gamechanger. But, here's the evidence,

Harbaugh pre-2021 (when he was on the ropes and on the hot seat after going 2wins during Covid)

49-22
0 Big Ten Titles.
0 CFP Appearances.
0 wins over Ohio State
69.01 Winning Pct.

Harbaugh 2021-2023 (less than 3 full seasons)

33-3
2 Big Ten Titles in 2 Full seasons.
2 CFP Appearances in 2 Full Seasons.
2-0 against Ohio State.
91.67% Winning PCt.


2. Rattler's statistical spike

Before us getting scouted and USCjr allegedly getting our signals (by a coach with a prior history of acquiring illegal information)

198 passing yards per game.
8 TDs
9 Ints.

Rattler the next two games both against top 10 teams:

30-37, 438 yards, 6TDs against UT
25-39, 360 yards, 2 TDs against Clemson.


If the Harbaugh fits, as they say...

 

[fossilfiction]

They honestly didn't seem to care. The paper trail and budgeting they put into this makes it impossible to deny.

 

[orange parmejohn]

 

[BigBadVol]

So apparently this Beamer thing is starting to gain some traction. Reports are coming out stating there’s some smoke here. It seems unbelievable but will we ever really know.

 

[Shocker0]

Statistical anomalies typically point to this. It's one of many ways forensic accountants and experts find manipulation. Here's two to consider:

1. For the people who say knowing the signs don't matter, you still have to stop them. Logically, false. Just knowing run vs. pass alone is a gamechanger. But, here's the evidence,

Harbaugh pre-2021 (when he was on the ropes and on the hot seat after going 2wins during Covid)

49-22
0 Big Ten Titles.
0 CFP Appearances.
0 wins over Ohio State
69.01 Winning Pct.

Harbaugh 2021-2023 (less than 3 full seasons)

33-3
2 Big Ten Titles in 2 Full seasons.
2 CFP Appearances in 2 Full Seasons.
2-0 against Ohio State.
91.67% Winning PCt.


2. Rattler's statistical spike

Before us getting scouted and USCjr allegedly getting our signals (by a coach with a prior history of acquiring illegal information)

198 passing yards per game.
8 TDs
9 Ints.

Rattler the next two games both against top 10 teams:

30-37, 438 yards, 6TDs against UT
25-39, 360 yards, 2 TDs against Clemson.


If the Harbaugh fits, as they say...

Not to mention, he's like 1-7 in bowl games, which could imply that he is unable or unlikely to be able to steal signals prior to those games since the Bowl Opponent isn't known until the regular season ends.

 

[orange parmejohn]

So apparently this Beamer thing is starting to gain some traction. Reports are coming out stating there’s some smoke here. It seems unbelievable but will we ever really know.

What reports are you referring to?

 

[Smokey7]

 

[maxorange]

This will be the last straw for that, I'm sure. Teams will insist on it.

I hope they bury Michigan and any team that benefitted from them.

Have Michigan pay for implementation

 

[Godfatha]

It's one thing to steal signs... it's another thing to share that knowledge with other schools in order to influence the playoff picture...

 

[StarRaider]

It's one thing to steal signs... it's another thing to share that knowledge with other schools in order to influence the playoff picture...

The only way this could more bizarre is if Henry Hill and Jimmy Burke and some of those Lucchese fellas were involved, amirite Godfatha???

 

[barney]

Statistical anomalies typically point to this. It's one of many ways forensic accountants and experts find manipulation. Here's two to consider:

1. For the people who say knowing the signs don't matter, you still have to stop them. Logically, false. Just knowing run vs. pass alone is a gamechanger. But, here's the evidence,

Harbaugh pre-2021 (when he was on the ropes and on the hot seat after going 2wins during Covid)

49-22
0 Big Ten Titles.
0 CFP Appearances.
0 wins over Ohio State
69.01 Winning Pct.

Harbaugh 2021-2023 (less than 3 full seasons)

33-3
2 Big Ten Titles in 2 Full seasons.
2 CFP Appearances in 2 Full Seasons.
2-0 against Ohio State.
91.67% Winning PCt.


2. Rattler's statistical spike

Before us getting scouted and USCjr allegedly getting our signals (by a coach with a prior history of acquiring illegal information)

198 passing yards per game.
8 TDs
9 Ints.

Rattler the next two games both against top 10 teams:

30-37, 438 yards, 6TDs against UT
25-39, 360 yards, 2 TDs against Clemson.


If the Harbaugh fits, as they say...

you gotta wonder about Saban honestly. He was nothing special in the NFL but he always gets 80% of his games in college. Now what is one of the key differences between the NFL game and college football...?

 

[SockeyeVol]

Statistical anomalies typically point to this. It's one of many ways forensic accountants and experts find manipulation. Here's two to consider:

1. For the people who say knowing the signs don't matter, you still have to stop them. Logically, false. Just knowing run vs. pass alone is a gamechanger. But, here's the evidence,

Harbaugh pre-2021 (when he was on the ropes and on the hot seat after going 2wins during Covid)

49-22
0 Big Ten Titles.
0 CFP Appearances.
0 wins over Ohio State
69.01 Winning Pct.

Harbaugh 2021-2023 (less than 3 full seasons)

33-3
2 Big Ten Titles in 2 Full seasons.
2 CFP Appearances in 2 Full Seasons.
2-0 against Ohio State.
91.67% Winning PCt.


2. Rattler's statistical spike

Before us getting scouted and USCjr allegedly getting our signals (by a coach with a prior history of acquiring illegal information)

198 passing yards per game.
8 TDs
9 Ints.

Rattler the next two games both against top 10 teams:

30-37, 438 yards, 6TDs against UT
25-39, 360 yards, 2 TDs against Clemson.


If the Harbaugh fits, as they say...

This was my line of thinking as well. Correlation can't prove causation, but we can put more faith in it when multiple other things align.

1. Wristbands for the first time,

2. anomolously good performance by Rattler,

3. an epic loss (didn't it set some kind of record?),

4 . SC just happened to knock off BOTH of the teams that would have outranked Michigan if Michigan lost to OSU?

5. Beamer was fined for receiving oppo research in 2016.

That's a lot right there.