Michigan spied on Vols last year

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SockeyeVol said:
This was my line of thinking as well. Correlation can't prove causation, but we can put more faith in it when multiple other things align.

1. Wristbands for the first time,

2. anomolously good performance by Rattler,

3. an epic loss (didn't it set some kind of record?),

4 . SC just happened to knock off BOTH of the teams that would have outranked Michigan if Michigan lost to OSU?

5. Beamer was fined for receiving oppo research in 2016.

That's a lot right there.
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yeah there's way too much smoke here
 
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It’s pretty obvious that USC used illegal information from Michigan to beat Tennessee and Clemson. It is infuriating to think how that spoiled an entire season’s worth of work.

Michigan’s players have to feel like a kid who finds out the date that rubbed up against him and told him how great he was all night was actually paid $20 and two tickets to One Direction by his mom to go out with him. Something like that sticks with you and really messes with your confidence.

I sure hope that doesn’t get baked into the spread before I place my bets against them the rest of the season.
 
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wmcovol said:
It’s a rule that schools chose to implement that prevents this. The rules the NCAA enforces are determined & voted on by member schools.
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From the article I read, live scouting was outlawed as a cost cutting measure because of the advancement of video technology there was no need to spend the money. It was not outlawed because of "cheating" outside of the fact that larger schools could pay to have scouts go to more games than smaller schools which I suppose gave them an advantage although I'd argue those schools already had a huge advantage over smaller schools but Michigan scouting Ohio State seems pretty non important to me. They are both huge schools who scout each other anyway.

Stealing signs is 100% legal even recording them. This is just another excuse for the NCAA to butt in and make themselves seem relevant. You're allowed to pay your QB millions of dollars but God forbid someone scouts you at a game. Classic NCAA (Insert eye roll)
 
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FastChad said:
It’s pretty obvious that USC used illegal information from Michigan to beat Tennessee and Clemson. It is infuriating to think how that spoiled an entire season’s worth of work.

Michigan’s players have to feel like a kid who finds out the date that rubbed up against him and told him how great he was all night was actually paid $20 and two tickets to One Direction by his mom to go out with him. Something like that sticks with you and really messes with your confidence.

I sure hope that doesn’t get baked into the spread before I place my bets against them the rest of the season.
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Lol where did you get that information? Your tin foil hat antenna? 😂
 
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Absent politics, you would think there is a major punishment coming for Harbaugh and Beamer.

I mean, they completely threw the integrity of the national championship college playoff process
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
From the article I read, live scouting was outlawed as a cost cutting measure because of the advancement of video technology there was no need to spend the money. It was not outlawed because of "cheating" outside of the fact that larger schools could pay to have scouts go to more games than smaller schools which I suppose gave them an advantage although I'd argue those schools already had a huge advantage over smaller schools but Michigan scouting Ohio State seems pretty non important to me. They are both huge schools who scout each other anyway.

Stealing signs is 100% legal even recording them. This is just another excuse for the NCAA to butt in and make themselves seem relevant. You're allowed to pay your QB millions of dollars but God forbid someone scouts you at a game. Classic NCAA (Insert eye roll)
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Source?
 
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SockeyeVol said:
Source?
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This was the ESPN article from 6 days ago. Sign stealing is not cheating per se. Live scouting was outlawed as a cost saving measure.


www.espn.com

What accusations mean for Michigan football, Jim Harbaugh

The NCAA is investigating Michigan amid allegations of sign stealing. What does that mean?
www.espn.com www.espn.com

Why is in-person scouting banned in college sports?​

Sign stealing is technically not against NCAA rules and is a practice that has gone on with a wink-wink for decades. Scouting opponents in person was outlawed by the NCAA in 1994 as a cost-cutting measure.

The rule change eliminated all live scouting by staff members or scouting services, which was a big change for football and men's and women's basketball. University presidents believed it was just as easy for coaches to scout opponents on TV or tape. They also hoped it would bring more equity to the playing field because schools with smaller athletics budgets couldn't afford to send their coaches all over the country on scouting trips like the big schools did.

Many coaches were upset when in-person scouting was banned nearly three decades ago, especially those from smaller schools who couldn't watch their opponents' games on TV. But coaches adjusted by swapping tapes of recent games. Coaches complained that they couldn't gauge an opponents' speed on tape or pick up details like cadence and tendencies without seeing them live.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
From the article I read, live scouting was outlawed as a cost cutting measure because of the advancement of video technology there was no need to spend the money. It was not outlawed because of "cheating" outside of the fact that larger schools could pay to have scouts go to more games than smaller schools which I suppose gave them an advantage although I'd argue those schools already had a huge advantage over smaller schools but Michigan scouting Ohio State seems pretty non important to me. They are both huge schools who scout each other anyway.

Stealing signs is 100% legal even recording them. This is just another excuse for the NCAA to butt in and make themselves seem relevant. You're allowed to pay your QB millions of dollars but God forbid someone scouts you at a game. Classic NCAA (Insert eye roll)
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Stealing signs can be 100% legal, if done in-game, via TV broadcasts, or other publicly available footage. It is expressly not legal since 1994 to do what they did. There's legal ways to make a lot of money; there's illegal ways to make a lot of money. It is 100% illegal to go to another team's game to record their signals. There's not even a real debate about the interpretation of the rule in this regard man; even from the UM fans. Whether it should be a rule is up for debate, of course.
 
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FastChad said:
It’s pretty obvious that USC used illegal information from Michigan to beat Tennessee and Clemson. It is infuriating to think how that spoiled an entire season’s worth of work.

Michigan’s players have to feel like a kid who finds out the date that rubbed up against him and told him how great he was all night was actually paid $20 and two tickets to One Direction by his mom to go out with him. Something like that sticks with you and really messes with your confidence.

I sure hope that doesn’t get baked into the spread before I place my bets against them the rest of the season.
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Sorry @FastChad but if 2 tickets to One Direction and $20 would have gotten a girl in high school to rub up against me, I'd have been chasing OD across the country with a fist full of twenties
 
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To me, what Michigan is/was doing is inevitable and even outmoded. With the advancement of AI, tools that can scrub video and predict plays or decipher signals is inevitable. Just do what baseball and the NFL do and put audio in the QBs helmet to relay plays. This problem is instantly solved by existing technology.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
To me, what Michigan is/was doing is inevitable and even outmoded. With the advancement of AI, tools that can scrub video and predict plays or decipher signals is inevitable. Just do what baseball and the NFL do and put audio in the QBs helmet to relay plays. This problem is instantly solved by existing technology.
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bingo
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
To me, what Michigan is/was doing is inevitable and even outmoded. With the advancement of AI, tools that can scrub video and predict plays or decipher signals is inevitable. Just do what baseball and the NFL do and put audio in the QBs helmet to relay plays. This problem is instantly solved by existing technology.
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Absolutely agree that they should implement the audio in QB and MLB helmets. Solves the issue.
 
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AlwaysOrangeNeverBlue said:
Stealing signs can be 100% legal, if done in-game, via TV broadcasts, or other publicly available footage. It is expressly not legal since 1994 to do what they did. There's legal ways to make a lot of money; there's illegal ways to make a lot of money. It is 100% illegal to go to another team's game to record their signals. There's not even a real debate about the interpretation of the rule in this regard man; even from the UM fans. Whether it should be a rule is up for debate, of course.
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My argument is not about whether it's legal or illegal. It's legal. My argument is that the reason this rule exists has nothing to do with "cheating". It was a way to save money. People are calling Michigan cheaters for stealing signs when that's not even what the practice was outlawed for.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
To me, what Michigan is/was doing is inevitable and even outmoded. With the advancement of AI, tools that can scrub video and predict plays or decipher signals is inevitable. Just do what baseball and the NFL do and put audio in the QBs helmet to relay plays. This problem is instantly solved by existing technology.
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Of course some engineering students will adapt the technology to intercept those signals and know the calls...until they start encrypting the signals and the QB's helmet is big as a Jack-O-Lantern.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
My argument is not about whether it's legal or illegal. It's legal. My argument is that the reason this rule exists has nothing to do with "cheating". It was a way to save money. People are calling Michigan cheaters for stealing signs when that's not even what the practice was outlawed for.
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The phrasing of the post I replied to I interpreted as to state that all sign stealing is legal; which is not true. Regardless of the reasoning the rule was put in place, the rule does not allow in-person scouting and thus, was violated. If I misinterpreted your post, I do sincerely apologize. I don't think any of us are Michigan-sympathizers by any means lol. A lot of not-yet-concrete information anyway, so maybe we're all a little premature to be jumping to these conclusions without the evidence fully out yet. Either way, I think there's something sinister afoot that spreads beyond just Michigan.
 
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If anyone wants to look through Mr. Stalion's Michigan Message Board post history, it's below and was shocking easy to find... Stopped posting around 2014. Fun one in there "But if we're the best team in the nation, it doesn't matter who we play. We just win every week and get the job done." Seems like at some point he changed his mind and believed they had to cheat to win.

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This is why college and NFL sports will be non existence years to come.

Spying on teams, one sided officiating, tampering with other schools’ players.

It’s just one big clown show.
 
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