Mike Gundy facing backlash

[OriginalCoach]

Anybody who has that poor judgement is too ignorant to run a popcorn stand, much less a major college football program. It’s either that or he’s just an uncaring Neanderthal. Of course, it is Oklahoma we’re talking about. Not exactly a bastion of forward thinking. Again, more than thankful that we didn’t get that idiot.

Well, he had the Vol think tank on the hill opening up the pocketbooks, so yeahhhh, he’s incapable alright.. And TN is any better in forward thinking?? And you damned well know it’s true.

 

[Credo]

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I've been to college campuses, and I work near a college campus that I frequent quite often. I hear conservatives every Friday near the greens speaking.
Next you will tell me that Christians are being persecuted in America, and that there is a war on Christmas.

next you’ll tell me that liberals are tolerant

 

[RDU VOL#14]

If it were not for those athletes, there would be no athletic department. The athletes are de facto employees. If those athletes are offended and leave, the product will suffer.

I understand that and I don’t think Gundy should’ve worn the shirt especially given the current political climate . If this is only because of the shirt I think it sets a dangerous precedent when you start allowing the de facto employees to majorly influence policy towards the upper level management because of their political beliefs. I don’t think the consumers are really gonna be on board with the employees attempting to take all the power. Is Missouri still renting their empty dorm rooms on football weekends because their enrollment declined so drastically?

On the opposite side of it, I’ll ask what if a black coach wore a Jemele Hill “f*** it, I’m Bothered” Tshirt and a white player was offended because of all her racist, provocative, race baiting, conspiracy crap that she writes and tweets for The Atlantic. Like I said, I’ve never seen OAN, but I doubt it’s anything worse or more provocative than what she says, just the opposite side . Where does that land in society right now? I’m guessing not in the same stratosphere as this situation.

 

[ptcarter]

I understand that and I don’t think Gundy should’ve worn the shirt especially given the current political climate . If this is only because of the shirt I think it sets a dangerous precedent when you start allowing the de facto employees to majorly influence policy towards the upper level management because of their political beliefs. I don’t think the consumers are really gonna be on board with the employees attempting to take all the power. Is Missouri still renting their empty dorm rooms on football weekends because their enrollment declined so drastically?

On the opposite side of it, I’ll ask what if a black coach wore a Jemele Hill “f*** it, I’m Bothered” Tshirt and a white player was offended because of all her racist, provocative, race baiting, conspiracy crap that she writes and tweets for The Atlantic. Like I said, I’ve never seen OAN, but I doubt it’s anything worse or more provocative than what she says, just the opposite side . Where does that land in society right now? I’m guessing not in the same stratosphere as this situation.

Good points. We are dangerously polarized as a society and it's evident in this thread. Sad part I'm seeing is there isn't much (if any) middle ground. Lefties see what they want to see and same with Righties. Who is right? I dunno, but it's at a point where it's becoming very difficult for one to objectively "walk in another mans shoes". I blame the echo chambers we choose to live in. Lefties claim fake news and so do Righties. I blame the irresponsible media - True journalism is rare or totally gone. The talking heads all have a narrative. There has to come a point to where you realize you are being lied too and manipulated.

I posted the picture below earlier and will post it again. This is the kind of "woke" we need. She's saying the narrative being shoved down everyone's throat is BS.

"Why don't we just try and get along?" -paraphrase Rodney King

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Good points. We are dangerously polarized as a society and it's evident in this thread. Sad part I'm seeing is there isn't much (if any) middle ground. Lefties see what they want to see and same with Righties. Who is right? I dunno, but it's at a point where it's becoming very difficult for one to objectively "walk in another mans shoes". I blame the echo chambers we choose to live in. Lefties claim fake news and so do Righties. I blame the irresponsible media - True journalism is rare or totally gone. The talking heads all have a narrative. There has to come a point to where you realize you are being lied too and manipulated.

I posted the picture below earlier and will post it again. This is the kind of "woke" we need. She's saying the narrative being shoved down everyone's throat is BS.

"Why don't we just try and get along?" -paraphrase Rodney King

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I’m with you that no one has profited more than the media off of this. It’s irresponsible on many levels, and it has been even more so since February .

 

[GreveHaller]

He might be offended by our storm trooper uniforms.

Orange is the Halloween color

Halloween has spooks

Spooks is a derogatory word for blacks

Vols are racist

 

[05_never_again]

He should be able to voice his opinion. Don’t be afraid like Drew Breese.

I mean, Gundy and Brees are able to voice their opinions. If a player leaves Oklahoma St because Gundy voiced an opinion they didn't like, then they should be able to do that as well. Nobody is trying to muzzle Gundy or Brees or say they shouldn't be allowed to say the things they've said. They are free to say what they want, and if others don't like what they said then they are free to leave.

I think that some of the heat Gundy and Brees (especially Brees) have gotten from dissenters to their comments has been a little over the top, and folks are really quick to run to their battle stations, but that's just my opinion. If Chuba wanted to leave OSU because Gundy wore an OAN shirt, or a Saints player wants off the team because Brees said he still doesn't like anthem kneeling as a form of protest, I can think that's an overreaction on their part, but ultimately that's up to them to decide, and they can totally do that without "violating" someone's 1A rights.

What you and others seem to be suggesting in this thread is that other people should not, or should not be able to, take action in response to an opinion they don't like.

 

[05_never_again]

I understand that and I don’t think Gundy should’ve worn the shirt especially given the current political climate . If this is only because of the shirt I think it sets a dangerous precedent when you start allowing the de facto employees to majorly influence policy towards the upper level management because of their political beliefs. I don’t think the consumers are really gonna be on board with the employees attempting to take all the power. Is Missouri still renting their empty dorm rooms on football weekends because their enrollment declined so drastically?

On the opposite side of it, I’ll ask what if a black coach wore a Jemele Hill “f*** it, I’m Bothered” Tshirt and a white player was offended because of all her racist, provocative, race baiting, conspiracy crap that she writes and tweets for The Atlantic. Like I said, I’ve never seen OAN, but I doubt it’s anything worse or more provocative than what she says, just the opposite side . Where does that land in society right now? I’m guessing not in the same stratosphere as this situation.

That's always been the case though. Employees have always been able to, and of course should be able to, leave an organization because they don't like something management said or did. The threat of employees to leave, especially if they leave en masse, can of course influence management's behavior, but that's always been true.

What's different about today is that the political climate is such that employees are much more likely to leave because they disagree with management's political beliefs than they used to be. There's a hypersensitivity to it that didn't exist 15 or 20 years ago, and it seems to get even more sensitive by the day.

Neither the (far) left or the (far) right is immune to it - there are snowflakes on both sides. "You don't agree with me politically, which makes you a terrible person, so I don't want to be associated with you even in the most tangential or indirect way" is a motto that lots of people seem to live by right now.

Also, to your hypothetical about Jemele Hill, if that occurred it would receive nowhere near as much attention from the media as this Gundy situation did, and the attention it would receive would likely be from a critical bent (i.e., there'd be a lot of think pieces penned saying it was stupid for a player to leave of his coach's Jemele Hill t-shirt). Very very few, if any, media members would sympathize with that player, and quite a few would probably think he was stupid and overreacting. So I agree with you there.

 

[sport3500]

T. Boone Pickens must be turning over in his grave somewhere.

 

[n_huffhines]

This story is wild, but all I can think about is what kind of psychopath reps a t-shirt of a news organization, fringe or not?

 

[05_never_again]

This story is wild, but all I can think about is what kind of psychopath reps a t-shirt of a news organization, fringe or not?

I don't think there's much going on upstairs with Gundy...seriously. He's never come off as all that intelligent of a person to me, and it isn't because of his accent, his mullet, or anything about his appearance.

If he has any self-awareness at all, perhaps he wore the shirt thinking he wouldn't be photographed. After all he was just going out fishing with his kids. However, if I was him, as soon as the dude pulled the camera out to take a photo it would occur to me I had an OAN shirt on and would stand outside the pic, or change into another shirt if I had one. Evidently he didn't see how him wearing that would be controversial - doesn't really show a high level of knowledge about political issues or just common sense.

It's like Pruitt being photographed in an anti-NRA t-shirt not thinking a large portion of our fans would be upset about it.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

That's always been the case though. Employees have always been able to, and of course should be able to, leave an organization because they don't like something management said or did. The threat of employees to leave, especially if they leave en masse, can of course influence management's behavior, but that's always been true.

What's different about today is that the political climate is such that employees are much more likely to leave because they disagree with management's political beliefs than they used to be. There's a hypersensitivity to it that didn't exist 15 or 20 years ago, and it seems to get even more sensitive by the day.

Neither the (far) left or the (far) right is immune to it - there are snowflakes on both sides. "You don't agree with me politically, which makes you a terrible person, so I don't want to be associated with you even in the most tangential or indirect way" is a motto that lots of people seem to live by right now.

Also, to your hypothetical about Jemele Hill, if that occurred it would receive nowhere near as much attention from the media as this Gundy situation did, and the attention it would receive would likely be from a critical bent (i.e., there'd be a lot of think pieces penned saying it was stupid for a player to leave of his coach's Jemele Hill t-shirt). Very very few, if any, media members would sympathize with that player, and quite a few would probably think he was stupid and overreacting. So I agree with you there.

I think this is the area where I have the biggest issue with things. Everyone is so concerned with the feelings and the words and playing the victim. It’s exhausting to constantly walk on eggshells when I think most people in this country have great intentions and their goal each day is to go to work and care for their family and friends. I ultimately think Identity politics are causing a lot more harm than good.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

This story is wild, but all I can think about is what kind of psychopath reps a t-shirt of a news organization, fringe or not?

That too

 

[Pacer92]

This story is wild, but all I can think about is what kind of psychopath reps a t-shirt of a news organization, fringe or not?

Psychopath? LOL! In a country this big...millions.

Why does anyone care or pay attention to such at this VERY MOMENT? Do you think Chuba or anyone else cared before this media frenzy?

Let’s roll out all public figures private wardrobe now...

-Psychos everywhere

 

[n_huffhines]

Psychopath? LOL! In a country this big...millions.

Why does anyone care or pay attention to such at this VERY MOMENT? Do you think Chuba or anyone else cared before this media frenzy?

Let’s roll out all public figures private wardrobe now...

-Psychos everywhere

As a red-blooded American, I demand the right to make fun of the print t-shirts that millionaires wear.

 

[05_never_again]

I think this is the area where I have the biggest issue with things. Everyone is so concerned with the feelings and the words and playing the victim. It’s exhausting to constantly walk on eggshells when I think most people in this country have great intentions and their goal each day is to go to work and care for their family and friends. I ultimately think Identity politics are causing a lot more harm than good.

Culture's definitely changed, that's for sure. In a lot (not all, but a lot) of circles, the highest status you can possibly have is that of a victim, whether or not your claim is valid. Because of this, you have a lot of people who want to be victims or probably more accurately want you perceive them as victims, and those who see themselves as victims try and out-victim each other. If you are able to successfully claim to be a victim, then in their eyes whatever you say about any topic must be correct, and whatever anybody above you in the power structure says must be wrong. Your place in the hierarchy is all that matters, not the validity or logic of your argument.

...and victim playing is a (well-deserved) stereotype of the left, particularly the far left, but the right does it too. The guy in the Oval Office himself does it all the time. Like most political nonsense, it's a general characteristic of both sides, not one over the other.

 

[Power T-Rev]

Yes that's why I get all my well vetted news from OAN, Fox News, and Infowars. Gruden the lizardman will be our coach in 5 years, mark your calendar!

Journalism is dead. All that's left are activists

 

[Col_Cathcart]

Right I’m posting in this VN thread in order to save Mike Gundy lmao

What then? Just getting yourself worked up because you need to feel something? I know it’s the offseason but dang, buddy.

 

[n_huffhines]

Finebaum looks so sassy

 

[BUBear]

Does this sound like the voice of a man that is raciest:

 

[Zues1]

I want to see one guy stand up and say f off and let the chips fall where they may. OSU should be thankful Gundy and family are Oakies and caved. One of these hired guns like a Mike Leach might drag them through an ugly divorce and I personally would cheer it on.

 

[escapegoat2]

Think Chuba Hubbard (their stud RB) will transfer and would we consider him?

No thanks!

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Does this sound like the voice of a man that is raciest:

How does a racist sound?

 

[wmcovol]

Players haven’t just taken over the football programs. They’re taking over schools. See Texas & A&M for example. Someone better be strong or it’s going in a death spiral. They’ll be hiring & firing coaches & ADs very soon. “We won’t help recruit unless the school song is changed” (@Texas) can quickly turn to “we won’t play if coach X is here”.

 

[golfballs]

What then? Just getting yourself worked up because you need to feel something? I know it’s the offseason but dang, buddy.

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