Millions of Illegal Aliens From All Over The World Head For U.S. Border

[Sea Ray]

By definition "stay in Mexico" means Mexico has already allowed them into their country. We are under no obligation to allow them into our country

 

[KptVFL]

Irrelevant. The Senate GOP bill could pass and be signed and improve the situation.

Trump killed it for political reasons. GOP and Trump are massive hypocrites.

.......and the dems want to pass it for political reasons.

Funny how that works.

 

[RockyTop85]

If Remain In Mexico were to be reinstated against Mexico’s wishes, could they do anything about it? Other than file a complaint of some sort?

They could deny entry to CBP and arrest any agents caught violating their sovereignty by trying to transport migrants across the border.

That’s assuming they don’t have recourse under any existing treaties.

 

[hog88]

There hasn’t been an immigration reform bill passed in like 40 years and you don’t like this one because it doesn’t do everything you want. Think about how much sense that makes. The bill contains multiple substantial improvements, some of which I already discussed.

You’re still wrong about remain in Mexico. I never said anything about courts. I don’t think you understand how it works and are relying solely on the name, “remain in Mexico,” which is a misnomer. The individual is on US soil when they claim asylum. They are then returned to Mexico. This return requires consent of the Mexican authorities.

So because congress has kicked the can for 40 years we should just pass bad legislation that doesn't fix any of the problems? Please explain the substantial improvements to the asylum system included within this bill. So far you haven't.

Also, in Dec 2021 Mexico agreed to continue the remain in Mexico policy under certain conditions two being that cases were completed within 180 days and the returnees had the covid vaccine. Mexico never refused the policy in the first place.

 

[hog88]

If Remain In Mexico were to be reinstated against Mexico’s wishes, could they do anything about it? Other than file a complaint of some sort?

Mexico agreed to continue it.

 

[RockyTop85]

By definition "stay in Mexico" means Mexico has already allowed them into their country. We are under no obligation to allow them into our country

Wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.

Migrant Protection Protocols | Homeland Security

The Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP) are a U.S. Government action whereby certain foreign individuals entering or seeking admission to the U.S. from Mexico – illegally or without proper documentation – may be returned to Mexico and wait outside of the U.S. for the duration of their immigration...

www.dhs.gov

The Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP) are a U.S. Government action whereby certain foreign individuals entering or seeking admission to the U.S. from Mexico – illegally or without proper documentation – may be returned to Mexico and wait outside of the U.S. for the duration of their immigration proceedings, where Mexico will provide them with all appropriate humanitarian protections for the duration of their stay.

 

[RockyTop85]

So because congress has kicked the can for 40 years we should just pass bad legislation that doesn't fix any of the problems? Please explain the substantial improvements to the asylum system included within this bill. So far you haven't.

Also, in Dec 2021 Mexico agreed to continue the remain in Mexico policy under certain conditions two being that cases were completed within 180 days and the returnees had the covid vaccine. Mexico never refused the policy in the first place.

How is it “bad legislation?” Trump’s opposition to it is that it would be a win for Biden.

It does fix some of the problems, and I did address at least two of the fixes in my first post in this thread.

Mexico has stated it opposes reinstatement of the policy more recently than 2021. Foreign Ministry rejects having migrants stay in Mexico under reimplementation of US Immigration and Nationality Act Section 235 (b)(2)(C).

0-4 in one post is impressive.

What I’m learning is that this isn’t a big enough issue for you guys to have bothered to properly understand it.

 

[RockyTop85]

Mexico agreed to continue it.

And Nancy Pelosi lives in a gated community and Republicans haven’t run on family values since the 80’s. The Lawgator of past events strikes again.

 

[hog88]

How is it “bad legislation?” Trump’s opposition to it is that it would be a win for Biden.

It does fix some of the problems, and I did address at least two of the fixes in my first post in this thread.

Mexico has stated it opposes reinstatement of the policy more recently than 2021. Foreign Ministry rejects having migrants stay in Mexico under reimplementation of US Immigration and Nationality Act Section 235 (b)(2)(C).

0-4 in one post is impressive.

What I’m learning is that this isn’t a big enough issue for you guys to have bothered to properly understand it.

U.S. and Mexico reach deal to restart Trump-era "remain in Mexico" program along border

You haven't been correct in this whole conversation. The Biden administration fought to end remain in Mexico even after they had an agreement with Mexico, took it all the way to SCOTUS.

 

[RockyTop85]

U.S. and Mexico reach deal to restart Trump-era "remain in Mexico" program along border

You haven't been correct in this whole conversation. The Biden administration fought to end remain in Mexico even after they had an agreement with Mexico, took it all the way to SCOTUS.

Are you saying you don’t know how to read a calendar? Which is more recent, December 2021 or February 2023?

My link is literally to the website of the Mexican foreign ministry and their official statement.

 

[hog88]

Are you saying you don’t know how to read a calendar? Which is more recent, December 2021 or February 2023?

What I'm saying is the administration had an agreement to retain remain in Mexico, yet they continued to fight the policy all the way to the Supreme Court. It was after the SCOTUS ruling saying they could end remain in Mexico that the Mexican government voiced it's opposition to restarting the program.

You're doing what you always do, only telling the portion of the story that you think supports your argument. The Biden administration could have continued remain in Mexico but made a choice not to. There was no pressure from the Mexican government to end it in 2021.

 

[Orangeburst]

Lets face reality. Dems and Biden want this mass immigration and are not honest brokers.
When is the last time you ever saw a President defer any possible powers? Its a joke.

 

[Orangeburst]

That would include $60.6 billion to assist Ukraine in its ongoing war against Russia's invasion; $14.1 billion in funds for Israel in its war against Hamas' after Hamas' terror attack; $10 billion in humanitarian assistance to civilians both in Ukraine and in the Palestinian territories of Gaza and the West Bank; as well as $4.83 billion for some countries in the Indo-Pacific.

Yea..lets give money to Palestinians and other nations. Joke.

 

[RockyTop85]

What I'm saying is the administration had an agreement to retain remain in Mexico, yet they continued to fight the policy all the way to the Supreme Court. It was after the SCOTUS ruling saying they could end remain in Mexico that the Mexican government voiced it's opposition to restarting the program.

You're doing what you always do, only telling the portion of the story that you think supports your argument. The Biden administration could have continued remain in Mexico but made a choice not to. There was no pressure from the Mexican government to end it in 2021.

You’re doing what you always do, making yourself look like more of an idiot by refusing to just admit to yourself that you’re an idiot.

We don't need a border deal, we need the administration to enforce current laws and reinstate remain in Mexico.

Remain in Mexico cannot just be unilaterally reinstated because Mexico will no longer agree to it because of the problems it caused for them.

The whole conversation has been about the need for legislation versus executive orders to fix the existing problem and now you’re saying that I’m to blame for failing to discuss whose fault it is that a particular executive action is no longer possible?

I imagine that makes a lot of sense to someone who has a raging inferiority complex that prevents them from just acknowledging that their understanding of the issue was more limited than they realized.

You want to have a conversation about who is to blame, go right ahead. I’m not here to defend Biden, and even if I were, I wouldn’t bother to defend his rejection of an imperfect executive solution to somebody who probably claims to think the executive has too much power and who just advocated rejecting an legislative solution because it was imperfect.

 

[DC_Vol]

Most of that 120 billion is going overseas and has nothing to do with border security or immigration.

Very true. In fact, if you read the bill it lays out funding for Ukraine first.

 

[DC_Vol]

Irrelevant. The Senate GOP bill could pass and be signed and improve the situation.

Trump killed it for political reasons. GOP and Trump are massive hypocrites.

Why not take a first step the requires no bill at all: undo the executive orders that contributed to the crisis at the border? They were among the first EO’s the president signed.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Why not take a first step the requires no bill at all: undo the executive orders that contributed to the crisis at the border? They were among the first EO’s the president signed.

That would be common sense legislation of which Biden is too stupid to put into place.

 

[hog88]

You’re doing what you always do, making yourself look like more of an idiot by refusing to just admit to yourself that you’re an idiot.



The whole conversation has been about the need for legislation versus executive orders to fix the existing problem and now you’re saying that I’m to blame for failing to discuss whose fault it is that a particular executive action is no longer possible?

I imagine that makes a lot of sense to someone who has a raging inferiority complex that prevents them from just acknowledging that their understanding of the issue was more limited than they realized.

You want to have a conversation about who is to blame, go right ahead. I’m not here to defend Biden, and even if I were, I wouldn’t bother to defend his rejection of an imperfect executive solution to somebody who probably claims to think the executive has too much power and who just advocated rejecting an legislative solution because it was imperfect.

Oh, oh, here's the infamous Rocky goalpost move and insults. We all knew it was coming.

How does this bill fix the problem? You still have yet to explain that.

Yes, you are defending Biden.

 

[hog88]

What's amazing to me is that we have supposedly educated people in this thread decrying Trump for killing this bill for political purposes and never acknowledging the fact Biden adopted a failed border policy for political purposes. Only one of them is in a position to actually do anything and who's stance has caused the most damage?

 

[lawgator1]

.......and the dems want to pass it for political reasons.

Funny how that works.

It's a Republican drafted bill.

Funny how that works.

 

[lawgator1]

What's amazing to me is that we have supposedly educated people in this thread decrying Trump for killing this bill for political purposes and never acknowledging the fact Biden adopted a failed border policy for political purposes. Only one of them is in a position to actually do anything and who's stance has caused the most damage?

What's amazing to me is the idiotic argument that, because people could have done something differently in the past, we should not endeavor to act now.

 

[hog88]

It's a Republican drafted bill.

Funny how that works.

1 republican

The immigration deal was negotiated by the White House and Sens. James Lankford, a Republican from Oklahoma, Chris Murphy, a Democrat from Connecticut, and Kyrsten Sinema, an independent from Arizona.

 

[hog88]

What's amazing to me is the idiotic argument that, because people could have done something differently in the past, we should not endeavor to act now.

Then endeavor, Dems should submit a stand alone immigration bill one that does not place complete control of immigration at the whim of POTUS and the DC courts.

 

[RockyTop85]

Oh, oh, here's the infamous Rocky goalpost move and insults. We all knew it was coming.

How does this bill fix the problem? You still have yet to explain that.

Yes, you are defending Biden.

Goalpost moving? By referencing the original post? So you tried to move the goalposts and now you’re mad that I made you put them back?

If by “fix” you mean “completely resolve” then I’ve never claimed that, have tacitly admitted that it does not, and have no problem acknowledging that it does not.

If by “fix” you mean “improve,” then yes I already started addressing that. If it were actually important to you, you’d go back and see what I said, like I did, instead of childishly denying that I said anything.

 

[Sea Ray]

Wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.

Migrant Protection Protocols | Homeland Security

The Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP) are a U.S. Government action whereby certain foreign individuals entering or seeking admission to the U.S. from Mexico – illegally or without proper documentation – may be returned to Mexico and wait outside of the U.S. for the duration of their immigration...

www.dhs.gov

The Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP) are a U.S. Government action whereby certain foreign individuals entering or seeking admission to the U.S. from Mexico – illegally or without proper documentation – may be returned to Mexico and wait outside of the U.S. for the duration of their immigration proceedings, where Mexico will provide them with all appropriate humanitarian protections for the duration of their stay.

Where does it say Mexico must cooperate? This is what I see:

The U.S. has notified the Government of Mexico that it is implementing these procedures under U.S. law.

I don't see that we need Mexico's permission.