Millions of Illegal Aliens From All Over The World Head For U.S. Border

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RockyTop85 said:
Yeah, I think it’s just a way of leaving it to the discretion of the executive.

Hypothetically, if a country, we’ll call them Hermany, started exterminating an ethnic or religious group, let’s call them Yews, and those Yews started fleeing the country and filing clearly meritorious asylum claims in the US, congress may not wish for people abusing the system to result in an inability to process meritorious claims.
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Sure, I don’t think any of us would want the US to sit idly by during a Hermanic slaughter of the Yews.

But “national interest” seems pretty vague to me. It could be anything, really.
 
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February 17, 2021: Biden's CENTER for DISEASE CONTROL allows trafficked children to enter the United States freely under Title 42.

February 25, 2021: The Biden administration speeds up the release into the United States of Unaccompanied Children illegally entering the United States.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Sure, I don’t think any of us would want the US to sit idly by during a Hermanic slaughter of the Yews.

But “national interest” seems pretty vague to me. It could be anything, really.
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I agree it could be anything, it’s up to voters to reign them in with political consequences. That was one of my big beefs with Obama and has turned into a problem I have with Trump: their base would support them through things that their base didn’t previously agree with simply because they were deemed infallible by a certain cult of voters.

But regulation by political consequences is basically the idea. It is essentially buck passing. If the Yews don’t get in, it isn’t congress’s fault. If the southern border remains a flood, that’s not congress’s fault, either. They told the president to fix it and gave him the tools. Blame him.

That’s just kind of how we do legislation lately and for some things it’s bad and unnecessary to grant all that power to the executive. I’m open to the idea that this is one of them but it seems too dynamic and convoluted to expect our current congress to write the solution.
 
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March 2, 2021: The Biden administration Loses Track of 20,000 illegally present foreign children.

March 5, 2021: The Center for Disease Control ignores Pandemic Protocols to increase U.S. acceptance of custody for overwhelming surge in illegal migrant children.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I agree it could be anything, it’s up to voters to reign them in with political consequences. That was one of my big beefs with Obama and has turned into a problem I have with Trump: their base would support them through things that their base didn’t previously agree with simply because they were deemed infallible by a certain cult of voters.

But regulation by political consequences is basically the idea. It is essentially buck passing. If the Yews don’t get in, it isn’t congress’s fault. If the southern border remains a flood, that’s not congress’s fault, either. They told the president to fix it and gave him the tools. Blame him.

That’s just kind of how we do legislation lately and for some things it’s bad and unnecessary to grant all that power to the executive. I’m open to the idea that this is one of them but it seems too dynamic and convoluted to expect our current congress to write the solution.
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Yea I just don’t see voters reigning in an overreach here via political consequences.

Just seems the Senate wrote a kill switch in that they knew only one side, in all likelihood, would ever flip (save for Hermanic aggression).
 
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) voted no, citing opposition to $10 billion in military aid to Israel given the deaths of more than 27,000 Palestinians in Gaza. Democratic Sens. Ed Markey (Mass.), Bob Menendez (N.J.), Alex Padilla (Calif.) and Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) also voted no.



Trumps fault.
 
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DHS Chief Mayorkas: Americans Killed by Illegals ‘Should Not Be Politicized’​


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American deaths at the hands of illegal aliens “should not be politicized,” Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, who is facing impeachment, told the Washington Post this week.

In a long profile by the Post, Mayorkas is featured as a victim of attacks by Republican lawmakers. This week, House Republicans fell just shy of the majority needed to approve articles of impeachment against Mayorkas, though leadership has vowed to try again.

One of the reasons House Republicans have sought to impeach Mayorkas, as the Post notes, is the federal government’s inability to protect Americans from illegal immigration. Last year, for example, Mayorkas recalled having to face Angel Mom Elisa Tambunga.

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DHS Chief Mayorkas: Americans Killed by Illegals 'Should Not Be Politicized'

American deaths at the hands of illegal aliens "should not be politicized," DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas says.
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Wow. This bill quickly went down in flames. Even with a Dem majority, it went down 50-49 in the Senate. Forget those meanies in the House. Schumer couldn't even get a majority to support it in the Senate. So much for the bipartisan bill and all

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Senate Republicans officially block foreign aid bill with border changes

It marks the end of immigration negotiations that dragged on for four months.
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hog88 said:
What's amazing to me is that we have supposedly educated people in this thread decrying Trump for killing this bill for political purposes and never acknowledging the fact Biden adopted a failed border policy for political purposes. Only one of them is in a position to actually do anything and who's stance has caused the most damage?
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and they have similarly refused to vote on the house bill that passed last summer for political reasons.

as always, it only became a problem once Trump did it.

granted I have little faith that house bill would have fixed much of anything either.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Yeah, I think it’s just a way of leaving it to the discretion of the executive.

Hypothetically, if a country, we’ll call them Hermany, started exterminating an ethnic or religious group, let’s call them Yews, and those Yews started fleeing the country and filing clearly meritorious asylum claims in the US, congress may not wish for people abusing the system to result in an inability to process meritorious claims.
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I think thats part of the asylum process that needs to be reevaluated, and I haven't seen that its was addressed in either the HR2 bill or this Ukraine bill.

I think they need to show justification to why they are seeking asylum in the US if they are first having to cross another third party country, or an ocean.

I would also think the consideration of the point of entry needs to be brought in too. I find it hard to by that we have people coming thru Mexico to claim asylumship that would have had a more direct route at an actual port. If they are using the southern border it appears they are trying to bypass our systems instead of doing the process the "right" way.

lastly I have never understood why there wasn't an agreement with Mexico to start the legal process, asylum, visas, whatever, in Mexico. Like set up mass processing locations in Mexico, so when you hit the border, you can just hand over the paperwork. I would think doing so would cut back on the power of the cartels and human traffickers preying on those with no legit options. it would speed up the process for the US and the migrant, and ensure the people trying to cross are meeting the spirit of the laws as well as the letter. right now its like playing tag and the migrants get to call timeout, asylum, as soon as they are going to be tagged. it may be "legit" but its counter to the spirit of the matter. For Mexico it would help reduce the issue at the border, and again weaken the cartels.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Yea I just don’t see voters reigning in an overreach here via political consequences.

Just seems the Senate wrote a kill switch in that they knew only one side, in all likelihood, would ever flip (save for Hermanic aggression).
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I think it’s interesting that the majority (of “conservatives” and “libertarians”) on here seem to want this handled immediately by executive order, but you’re frustrated by excessive executive discretion in the statute.

Ordinarily, I tend to agree with you and maybe if I learned more I would agree with you, but it definitely seems like the minority view.
 
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March 10, 2021: Biden reinstates Obama era PAROLE PROGRAMS that allow foreigners illegally present in the United States to Sponsor family members for U.S. entry.

March 16, 2021: DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas announced that the federal government will pivot to "processing" illegal aliens instead of deporting them.
 
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Illegal Immigrant is Indicted For Capital Murder Of Texas Cheerleader, 16, who cops feared he also tried to sexually assault after stalking and burglarizing her home, as victim's mom calls on prosecutors to 'make him pay'​


An illegal immigrant suspect in the brutal stabbing of a 16-year-old cheerleader has been indicted on capital murder charges by a grand jury.

Rafael Govea Romero, 23, faces execution after he was accused of 'intentionally' killing Lizbeth Iniguez Medina in her mother's apartment in Edna, southern Texas on December 5, 2023.

Romero butchered the teenager by striking her head on the ground or with a hard object, while repeatedly stabbing her, according to the indictment.

The attack came as he attempted to commit 'burglary, robbery, or aggravated sexual assault' the document says.

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Rafael Govea Romero (pictured), 23, the illegal immigrant suspect in the brutal stabbing of a 16-year-old cheerleader has been indicted on capital murder charges by a grand jury

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Romero is accused of 'intentionally' killing Lizbeth Iniguez Medina (pictured) in her mother's apartment in Edna, southern Texas on December 5, 2023

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Texas migrant indicted on capital murder charge for cheerleader

Rafael Govea Romero (left), 23, is accused of 'intentionally' killing Lizbeth Iniguez Medina (right) in her mother's apartment in Edna, southern Texas on December 5, 2023.
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