Millions of Illegal Aliens From All Over The World Head For U.S. Border

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NorthDallas40 said:
How does the case for legal immigration and the contributions of those immigrants support the case for turning a blind eye to illegal immigration huff?

I’m all for legal immigration. And I understand the contributions of these immigrants. But how does that support the case for ignoring illegal immigration? How can these illegals go on to legally become bastions of industry here?
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What are you talking about? Why do you think I'm saying turn a blind eye? I'm saying change the damn law.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Nations break down without laws . Ignoring immigration laws will eventually change that economy . So laws first , economy next . If you want to help the economy by making it easier to come in the country then ... change the laws .
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This is nonsense. Let's wait til all the laws are followed perfectly.

What nation has broken down because they didn't have laws? I can guarantee you that bad economics have crushed a lot more countries.
 
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n_huffhines said:
This is nonsense. Let's wait til all the laws are followed perfectly.

What nation has broken down because they didn't have laws? I can guarantee you that bad economics have crushed a lot more countries.
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What successful nation doesn’t have laws Huff ? Come on you know better than that
 
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n_huffhines said:
What are you talking about? Why do you think I'm saying turn a blind eye? I'm saying change the damn law.
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So by dramatically increasing immigration, say just putting a turn stile in at the border, will yield the same results and provide the same quality of immigrant as were seeing now and it will dramatically decrease the levels of illegal immigration?

Do you really think an immigrant that comes here legally and has the moxie to start their own business is being forced to use illegal immigration means now? Your logic just doesn’t make sense
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
So by dramatically increasing immigration, say just putting a turn stile in at the border, will yield the same results and provide the same quality of immigrant as were seeing now and it will dramatically decrease the levels of illegal immigration?

Do you really think an immigrant that comes here legally and has the moxie to start their own business is being forced to use illegal immigration means now? Your logic just doesn’t make sense
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My logic didn't include a turnstile. Why do you think an illegal immigrant is less likely to be an entrepreneur? They probably aren't going to start a fortune 500 company (their kids on the other hand...), but they are going to show up at your office selling tamales.
 
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n_huffhines said:
My logic didn't include a turnstile. Why do you think an illegal immigrant is less likely to be an entrepreneur? They probably aren't going to start a fortune 500 company (their kids on the other hand...), but they are going to show up at your office selling tamales.
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That’s just it. You’re taking stats about legal immigrants and trying to extrapolate that to illegal immigrants on par equivalence. And you got blustery when called on it.

Say we double the various work visas. Now the Visa machine companies gobble those up and we get more immigrants from India, Pakistan, etc... filling those roles. But Jose from Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, etc... is absolutely not better off. You’ve changed nothing in that case which is the whole focus of this thread and debate.

The data youre using to bolster your argument for supporting more immigration thru our southern border simply doesn’t add up. Plain and simple.
 
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Honest question Huff because it’s a complicated issues no doubt about it , if you were given the chance to have meaningful input on changing our immagration laws and they do need to be reformed , what would your recommendation to congress be ?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
That’s just it. You’re taking stats about legal immigrants and trying to extrapolate that to illegal immigrants on par equivalence. And you got blustery when called on it.

Say we double the various work visas. Now the Visa machine companies gobble those up and we get more immigrants from India, Pakistan, etc... filling those roles. But Jose from Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, etc... is absolutely not better off. You’ve changed nothing in that case which is the whole focus of this thread and debate.

The data youre using to bolster your argument for supporting more immigration thru our southern border simply doesn’t add up. Plain and simple.
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I assume it was stats about all immigrants, since it just said "immigrants" and did not make the distinction. News flash, most immigrants come from our southern border.

Are you saying that Pakistanis are more likely to open a restaurant than El Salvadoreans? Why do you think that? Personally, I'll take pupusas.

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0nelilreb said:
Honest question Huff because it’s a complicated issues no doubt about it , if you were given the chance to have meaningful input on changing our immagration laws and they do need to be reformed , what would your recommendation to congress be ?
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In short, simplify the process, open it up substantially (particularly to our neighbors) giving preference to people with jobs lined up or a support system (family here already), allow a path to citizenship for all of them, but that would be a long, merit-based process. They would all be documented, paying all applicable taxes, and we'd know where they are if we need to find them.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I assume it was stats about all immigrants, since it just said "immigrants" and did not make the distinction. News flash, most immigrants come from our southern border.

Are you saying that Pakistanis are more likely to open a restaurant than El Salvadoreans? Why do you think that? Personally, I'll take pupusas.

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Lol. So the bright red area is EXACTLY what I’m referring to. That number is going to be what’s driving your legal immigration stats about entrepreneurship and that’s the number that’s going to increase if you increase the visa counts since the visa machine companies pull largely from there.

So how many carpenters and brick layers you think get visa sponsorship via the work visa companies to immigrate from Honduras?

Also. On the picture you just dropped there... you got any other data showing the legal status of the birth parents? 😏
 
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n_huffhines said:
In short, simplify the process, open it up substantially (particularly to our neighbors) giving preference to people with jobs lined up or a support system (family here already), allow a path to citizenship for all of them, but that would be a long, merit-based process. They would all be documented, paying all applicable taxes, and we'd know where they are if we need to find them.
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Work visas already are allocated by jobs lined up.

Legal citizens can already sponsor family members for immigration.

So just more of that?

How about tying immigrant skills with openings in our job market? I’m guessing you know how many trade skills jobs we have open now?
 
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n_huffhines said:
In short, simplify the process, open it up substantially (particularly to our neighbors) giving preference to people with jobs lined up or a support system (family here already), allow a path to citizenship for all of them, but that would be a long, merit-based process. They would all be documented, paying all applicable taxes, and we'd know where they are if we need to find them.
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So...Vetted, documented merit based immigration. A controlled border and pathway to citizenship?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Work visas already are allocated by jobs lined up.

Legal citizens can already sponsor family members for immigration.

So just more of that?

How about tying immigrant skills with openings in our job market? I’m guessing you know how many trade skills jobs we have open now?
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I don't think you want to complicate it. Might as well ask the government to figure out what prices should be.

The government sucks at just about everything they do, particularly immigration. It needs to be simple or it will be as bad as our current system.
 
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n_huffhines said:
But the research was for "immigrants" not "visa immigrants"...
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Correct! The number one country for documented immigrants into the US is Mexico. North American and Asian immigrants are both at 38% in the picture I showed. For North American immigrants Mexico dominates Canadians. Look it up.

However in the country of origin for US births you listed Mexico absolutely swamped literally all other sources. The only rational explanation is the birth parents were not documented immigrants.

And adding more visas won’t change that. The Asian visa machine companies will gobble them up. They do now.

You’ve really offered no viable answer other than just open up our southern border. Even though the country on our southern border is already the single largest source of immigrants we have.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't think you want to complicate it. Might as well ask the government to figure out what prices should be.

The government sucks at just about everything they do, particularly immigration. It needs to be simple or it will be as bad as our current system.
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Then just leave it the way it is I guess. Mexico is already far and away our largest source of immigrants.
 
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