Milton opt out?

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volfan102455 said:
Why do you think that? Milton is one of ONLY 6 UT QB's that have accounted for more than 3,000 yards in a season. I'm assuming some of that is because of the Florida loss. Well Peyton Manning was 0-4 against Florida. And to be honest there were drops by the WR or Milton's numbers would be even better. Yes there were passes overthrown - all QBs do that.

The only thing one can say is that Milton is not Hooker. Well Hooker was not Manning and Tee Martin was not Manning either.

Milton had a good year and the 4 losses were team losses - not due to one individual on the team.

I hope Nico does good on Monday because if he doesn't many of you will have a melt down.
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I am afraid some of these posters have set themselves up for a major disappointment with their expectations of Nico. You are right they will be calling for Merk if Nico doesn‘t have a 4 TD and 300 yard passing game.
 
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As for the opt outs - I understand why they do it, I respect those who finish what they started more.

The odd thing about all this discussion is that we now see both sides of the fan base with claws out. There is a part of the fan base that have been wanting him to move on even before the season started so they are like "about time". Then there is the rest of the fan base (silent majority) that haven't got caught up in the worship of a backup QB and realize Milton is a big part of why we won 8 games and they are ones that are upset about the opt out.

If we win the bowl game, all will be well.

If we lose the bowl game in a close game - there will be some that will place that loss squarely on the shoulders of those who opted out. And those fans that wanted Nico, will make excuses that the game didn't matter to try to justify the loss.

I we lose the bowl game and are blown out - probably will be a good idea to avoid this forum until the season starts next year because we'll have both sides in full melt down mode.
 
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volfan411 said:
I am afraid some of these posters have set themselves up for a major disappointment with their expectations of Nico. You are right they will be calling for Merk if Nico doesn‘t have a 4 TD and 300 yard passing game.
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You only have to take a glance at the predicted game scores and Nico passing yards to see this is true. Some are predicting crazy numbers against a team that has not allowed such numbers. If we win the game and Nico has over a hundred yards passing with limited mistakes that should is a win for him. Basically, they are predicting the output that would have been expected if we had no opt outs. (i.e. Milton, Wright and Small all playing).
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Joe is out. I believe the underlying reason isn't what is/will be said about prepping for the NFL. I believe that as a rather unappreciated/underappreciated QB, he's giving the Joe haters what they want. I hope Nico engineers at 76 - 12 beat down of the Natty Bumppo.wannabes. But Joe is stepping out since he's basically unwanted by too many so-called Vols fans. If Nico's thin frame gets curb stomped by the Rolling Prairie beefeaters, well, what you wished for, you got. Hopefully, that won't happen, can't help thinking Joe's motivation is to give the grumbling, griping, hating, whiners, what they wanted.

Just the same, I'm looking forward to the game. Getting ready for Shirley and me to enjoy smoked pheasant, wild rice, mashed sweet potatoes, bacon wrapped asparagus, and goat milk stout. To be dug into after the game, as a celebration meal or consolation meal.
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There are a lot of really ridiculous takes in this thread, but this one is among the silliest - no offense, because you seem like a good fan, and clearly have good taste in game day meals.. Do you seriously believe that Joe is sitting around gauging his popularity on VolNation or the stupid twitter site in making a decision on his and the program's future? C'mon now.

Any player or coach who makes a decision that in any way affects his career, in-game strategy, roster moves, or really anything to do with the program based on fan reaction is not one I would want to be part of the program. One glance at this, and really most threads makes the reason crystal clear.
 
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ptcarter said:
Agree with most of this, but here's a scenario about stressing the importance of this game. Let's say your opponent has basically an inferior team that we would beat the snot out of during the regular season. None of their players "opt out" and half our team is made up of benchwarmers that wouldn't have seen the field (our DB's in this game and now Nico and I understand Nico isn't your standard benchwarmer). So this inferior team comes and and gets the W. The record books show none of this drama - it's binary, either a 1 or a zero for posterity, and it goes down in history as Iowa was a better team.

My point is, it's a false positive on with the opt outs, and it waters down the significance of the game. And much like the spring game, it gets the guys that worked hard in practice all season and the young pups a chance to get a taste of the future, but it's NOT the same team that battled Ga, UF, Bama, Missouri, Vandy TAM etc. this season.
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I've always felt, even before opt-outs and transfers, that bowl games should not count on a team's W-L for the season. They're more like exhibition games now, while before they were stand-alone post season games. Either way, the season schedule was already played, and that should be the record. A game played a month later against a random opponent, completely out of the rhythm and pace of the season and having no bearing on a national championship, should have always been treated as a separate entity.
 
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sami said:
I've always felt, even before opt-outs and transfers, that bowl games should not count on a team's W-L for the season. They're more like exhibition games now, while before they were stand-alone post season games. Either way, the season schedule was already played, and that should be the record. A game played a month later against a random opponent, completely out of the rhythm and pace of the season and having no bearing on a national championship, should have always been treated as a separate entity.
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You do realize that before the BCS, results of the bowl games were what determined the national champion. Those were the only way that the best teams from different conferences could meet to decide who was the best team by playing a game.

Case in point 1997 - #3 Tennessee played # 2 Nebraska and #1 Michigan played # 8 Washington State. It ended with a split between undefeated Nebraska and undefeated Michigan. However, had Tennessee beat Nebraska and Washington State beat Michigan, Tennessee would have probably ended up # 1.

Back then bowl games mattered.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Why do you think that? Milton is one of ONLY 6 UT QB's that have accounted for more than 3,000 yards in a season. I'm assuming some of that is because of the Florida loss. Well Peyton Manning was 0-4 against Florida. And to be honest there were drops by the WR or Milton's numbers would be even better. Yes there were passes overthrown - all QBs do that.

The only thing one can say is that Milton is not Hooker. Well Hooker was not Manning and Tee Martin was not Manning either.

Milton had a good year and the 4 losses were team losses - not due to one individual on the team.

I hope Nico does good on Monday because if he doesn't many of you will have a melt down.
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Because I watched him play. Take out all the throws that traveled 1 yard or less. Then compare again. Milton is not a good QB, he's a manageable QB sure. He doesn't make a lot of mistakes but he just doesn't have "IT". I wish he was what everyone wanted but he's a 6 year kid and can you name any game other than the Orange bowl against a bad team that he showed greatness? You have a lot of years to pick from.
 
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volfan411 said:
I am afraid some of these posters have set themselves up for a major disappointment with their expectations of Nico. You are right they will be calling for Merk if Nico doesn‘t have a 4 TD and 300 yard passing game.
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I'd take 150 and 0 turnovers right now.
 
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volfan102455 said:
You do realize that before the BCS, results of the bowl games were what determined the national champion. Those were the only way that the best teams from different conferences could meet to decide who was the best team by playing a game.

Case in point 1997 - #3 Tennessee played # 2 Nebraska and #1 Michigan played # 8 Washington State. It ended with a split between undefeated Nebraska and undefeated Michigan. However, had Tennessee beat Nebraska and Washington State beat Michigan, Tennessee would have probably ended up # 1.

Back then bowl games mattered.
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I was clearly referring to the BCS and forward period, thus the "having no bearing on a national championship" part of my post.

I'm very well aware of what bowls used to mean, and if I had my way we would go back to the pre-BCS way of doing things, complete with regional conferences, where a college football season meant more than whether or not you qualified for some playoff. What's the difference between the old polls deciding champions and some "committee" with ever changing 'criteria' determining who should play for it? Conference championships really meant something and were the primary goal. Now, who cares as long as you're in the "playoff"?
 
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sami said:
I've always felt, even before opt-outs and transfers, that bowl games should not count on a team's W-L for the season. They're more like exhibition games now, while before they were stand-alone post season games. Either way, the season schedule was already played, and that should be the record. A game played a month later against a random opponent, completely out of the rhythm and pace of the season and having no bearing on a national championship, should have always been treated as a separate entity.
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I think it does matter if you are playing for a natty, but otherwise I agree. Check out the 1940 Rose Bowl. Lost the game but were hands down the national champions and it was recognized by everyone. For those unfamiliar with the '39 team, they SHUTOUT every opponent. ( I love this statistic about the VOLS!!)
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sami said:
There are a lot of really ridiculous takes in this thread, but this one is among the silliest - no offense, because you seem like a good fan, and clearly have good taste in game day meals.. Do you seriously believe that Joe is sitting around gauging his popularity on VolNation or the stupid twitter site in making a decision on his and the program's future? C'mon now.

Any player or coach who makes a decision that in any way affects his career, in-game strategy, roster moves, or really anything to do with the program based on fan reaction is not one I would want to be part of the program. One glance at this, and really most threads makes the reason crystal clear.
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I got my openyun, and youse got yo' openyun. Happy New Year. How I miss jerking folks chains on this forum.
 
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