Minnesota football players boycott their bowl game in protest of suspension of 10 tea

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volfanbill said:
Slim margin of differential. Nothing has been proven to be wrong, so why should the players be punished because someone is claiming something?
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You decide to invite a group of your friends over to your house for a party. While there, a few of them get your baby sister drunk and have intercourse with her.

It can't be proven that they did anything wrong according to law enforcement. So are you going to continue inviting them over to your house?

As I said... I don't have a dog in this fight as I can see both sides. But I don't think it's as black and white as you are making it out to be, and in this case it's the administration's "house", so it's reasonable that they can set their own rules and will have to live with any repercussions.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
You decide to invite a group of your friends over to your house for a party. While there, a few of them get your baby sister drunk and have intercourse with her.

It can't be proven that they did anything wrong according to law enforcement. So are you going to continue inviting them over to your house?

As I said... I don't have a dog in this fight as I can see both sides. But I don't think it's as black and white as you are making it out to be, and in this case it's the administration's "house", so it's reasonable that they can set their own rules and will have to live with any repercussions.
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Is my sister of age? Was it consensual? Me deciding to not be friends with them isn't close to the same as punishing them.
 
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volfanbill said:
Is my sister of age? Was it consensual? Me deciding to not be friends with them isn't close to the same as punishing them.
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Yes. Your sister claims she was drunk, can't remember much of what happened, and that it wasn't consensual... but apparently your friends have a recording that indicates it was.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Absolutely... and also be willing to accept any repercussions.
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Of course, but we both know there really is none really available outside of shutting the program down, at least from what I can see. I mean, if they were really a school and not a business, the school should proceed, if the players don't want to play... they could just not renew all the players scholarships and fill in with walk-ons next year. However, we know its a business so I would say doubtful... most of that just hurts the so called school more.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Yes. Your sister claims she was drunk, can't remember much of what happened, and that it wasn't consensual... but apparently your friends have a recording that indicates it was.
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Then how can I punish my friends if recordings show it was consensual?

Side note, having to have recordings showing sex is consensual is embarrassing. No wonder everyone has sex tapes
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I mean, if they were really a school and not a business, the school should proceed, if the players don't want to play... they could just not renew all the players scholarships and fill in with walk-ons next year. However, we know its a business so I would say doubtful... most of that just hurts the so called school more.
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Your logic doesn't track here. If this were all about THE SCHOOL" then the STUDENTS should be allowed to protest, boycott, or whatever and stay on scholarship assuming they remain in good academic standing. STUDENTS should have the right to voice their opinions in a free exchange of ideas. Football is just a game, and should not interfere with academics. You don't revoke a scholarship because the STUDENT doesn't want to play in a game.

However, if you're pissed that someone is screwing with your business, you tell that person to hit the bricks.
 
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volfanbill said:
Then how can I punish my friends if recordings show it was consensual?

Side note, having to have recordings showing sex is consensual is embarrassing. No wonder everyone has sex tapes
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1. I didn't say anything about punishing your friends. I asked if you were still going to invite them over to your house, especially if you decide to have another party. Again... your house, your rules.

2. It wasn't clear to me in the article if the recording was of the girl verbally giving consent, of if it might have been a video of the incident taken by one of the players simply suggesting that she was "participating" more than "resisting".
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
1. I didn't say anything about punishing your friends. I asked if you were still going to invite them over to your house, especially if you decide to have another party. Again... your house, your rules.

2. It wasn't clear to me in the article if the recording was of the girl verbally giving consent, of if it might have been a video of the incident taken by one of the players simply suggesting that she was "participating" more than "resisting".
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Your hypothetical holdso no weight in this argument then. A public university shunning people for unproven allegations is simply not right
 
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volfanbill said:
Your hypothetical holdso no weight in this argument then. A public university shunning people for unproven allegations is simply not right
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A public university absolutely has the right to address behavior that may not be conducive to it's acceptable rules and guidelines.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Obviously the other members of the Minnesota football team think this is acceptable behavior ... as does several on this board.

Those involved should consider themselves lucky because if this had went to court - they were toast.
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If it had went to court they would have been found not guilty due to video evidence. Which is why the law enforcement and the DA refused to press charges.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
A public university absolutely has the right to address behavior that may not be conducive to it's acceptable rules and guidelines.
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I agree, and the players have the right to address the behavior of the school that may not be conducive to their own rules and guidelines. This is something I kind of hint at a few years ago on other issues.

If the school really believes themselves as to some high moral angle, they should keep the players suspended.
 
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carlos86 said:
The hot takes from this situation will be off the charts. From what I have read its the Von Pearson situation x10.


http://kstp.com/news/university-of-...ended-indefinitely-sexual-misconduct/4343997/

Gophers players are boycotting football - StarTribune.com
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Can we get a picture of the accuser as well? It seems the players are "somewhat" public figures. I believe the same could be said of the "cheerleader"

I'll go out on a limb here but I imagine this girls mother warned her from a very young age not to trust boys. Don't place yourself in a situation you can't get out of or you're not comfortable.
This is not an excuse for the alleged assault. On the flip side of the coin I can't for the life of me understand why the girls wade into a lions den knowing full well these things can happen and have probably happened in the past.
 
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Wow. I don't know what to make of this. I'm all for players leveraging the limited power they have. That said, given what they are protesting makes me uncomfortable.
 
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Nerd-Vol said:
Wow. I don't know what to make of this. I'm all for players leveraging the limited power they have. That said, given what they are protesting makes me uncomfortable.
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If they're innocent do you still feel uncomfortable?
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I'm not sure that's what law enforcement determined. My understanding is that they looked at the evidence, found it to be contradictory, and decided they didn't have a strong case for prosecution. That is not the same as saying "nothing wrong happened".
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Yes the concluded that they did not have a case strong enough. That happens a lot with these type of cases.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
1. I didn't say anything about punishing your friends. I asked if you were still going to invite them over to your house, especially if you decide to have another party. Again... your house, your rules.

2. It wasn't clear to me in the article if the recording was of the girl verbally giving consent, of if it might have been a video of the incident taken by one of the players simply suggesting that she was "participating" more than "resisting".
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The fact that one of the players recorded this should be a red warning flag that (1) he knew this was not right, (2) he knew how this would look to others and (3) he knew there would be a point when the girl would no longer be a willing participant.

Something is very amiss here - this was not just a couple of guys but seems to have involved 10 guys and 1 girl.

And players boycotting are in reality are giving their approval that what happened was okay. If I was a parent of a girl - I would keep her away for Minnesota football players.
 
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volfan102455 said:
The fact that one of the players recorded this should be a red warning flag that (1) he knew this was not right, (2) he knew how this would look to others and (3) he knew there would be a point when the girl would no longer be a willing participant.
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While all of this is true, it's also possible that he simply wanted a video of himself and his buddies having sex with a chick. We live in an era where everyone records everything.
 
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