Minnesota football players boycott their bowl game in protest of suspension of 10 tea

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bamawriter said:
While all of this is true, it's also possible that he simply wanted a video of himself and his buddies having sex with a chick. We live in an era where everyone records everything.
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We also live in an era where people cry wolf so they can get theirs. It disgusts me that so many are so quick to find the football players guilty.
 
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volfanbill said:
We also live in an era where people cry wolf so they can get theirs. It disgusts me that so many are so quick to find the football players guilty.
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It's hard to avoid forming an opinion, even if one accepts that one doesn't have all the facts. There are parts of this that cause me to lean toward the girl, especially given that she reported the incident to the police as opposed to simply going thru the school.

But at the same time, that police report resulted in no charges against anyone. This does not appear to be an FSU situation where the cops intentionally didn't investigate anything until after nothing could be done. The cops appear to have sought out the accused, collected evidence, and made a determination as to whether or not charges were warranted.

It is an undeniable fact that most rape accusations are truthful. It is an equally undeniable fact that, of late, several high-profile accusations, particularly on college campuses, have been complete fabrications.

Long story short: I have no idea what to believe.
 
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volfanbill said:
I agree with this, and for that reason I can't punish players for something I can't prove.

Would you punish the players?
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No.

I know that the school has to go thru a Title IX investigation. I disagree with that provision of Title IX, but the school has no choice. I would let the players remain on the team until the process was complete. Heck, several of them already missed games this year because of this accusation. They've been punished no matter what the school determines.
 
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volfanbill said:
I agree with this, and for that reason I can't punish players for something I can't prove.

Would you punish the players?
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Hmm. Players are suspended and even kicked off teams for stuff the university can't prove all the time.... you suspend them and don't renew the scholarship. If its disciplinary action at the school for say expulsion than usually their is some type of due process. Unfortunately, there is no fair...

I really don't see much of an issue with all this, I do find it interesting.... kind of like the OU kid that is preparing for the NFL draft.

Basically, the players flipped the script, whether a third party agrees or not.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Hmm. Players are suspended and even kicked off teams for stuff the university can't prove all the time.... you suspend them and don't renew the scholarship. If its disciplinary action at the school for say expulsion than usually their is some type of due process. Unfortunately, there is no fair...

I really don't see much of an issue with all this, I do find it interesting.... kind of like the OU kid that is preparing for the NFL draft.

Basically, the players flipped the script, whether a third party agrees or not.
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The funny thing is ask the faux outrage when AJ went through this and the evidence was a lot more questionable. Take away the fact the player(s) wear Tennessee orange and suddenly everyone is guilty until proven innocent.

I really didn't want to play this card, but the overreaction of people here is ridiculous.
 
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After the player press conference yesterday, Minnesota's president should publically withdraw from the bowl game to allow for another team to step in with enough time to practice.
 
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Headed For Home said:
After the player press conference yesterday, Minnesota's president should publically withdraw from the bowl game to allow for another team to step in with enough time to practice.
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I think that is what I was kind getting at... if its a school activity and these players shouldn't be on the team and representing the school... you stick with it.

Otherwise, the school is nothing more than a huge money grabbing hypocrite business.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
You decide to invite a group of your friends over to your house for a party. While there, a few of them get your baby sister drunk and have intercourse with her.

It can't be proven that they did anything wrong according to law enforcement. So are you going to continue inviting them over to your house?

As I said... I don't have a dog in this fight as I can see both sides. But I don't think it's as black and white as you are making it out to be, and in this case it's the administration's "house", so it's reasonable that they can set their own rules and will have to live with any repercussions.
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Yeah the administration needs to be clear. If having intercourse is against policy. Put it in print. No one has a problem a few years ago when a player and cheerleader acknowledged "CONSENSUAL INTERCOURSE" at BYU. That young man was suspended for the NCAA tournament. But no one was upset because the player, cheerleader and university had a policy in place. What is happening at Minnesota seems like a panic move to limit collateral damage in event of Title IX lawsuit.
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
Yeah the administration needs to be clear. If having intercourse is against policy. Put it in print. No one has a problem a few years ago when a player and cheerleader acknowledged "CONSENSUAL INTERCOURSE" at BYU. That young man was suspended for the NCAA tournament. But no one was upset because the player, cheerleader and university had a policy in place. What is happening at Minnesota seems like a panic move to limit collateral damage in event of Title IX lawsuit.
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If the school has a policy that the football players knowingly broke, then the football team needs to play.

If the school is trying to be overly aggressive towards avoiding title IX issues, then I would side with the players.
 
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goldenvol said:
If the school has a policy that the football players knowingly broke, then the football team needs to play.

If the school is trying to be overly aggressive towards avoiding title IX issues, then I would side with the players.
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Not sure its as easy as that. I mean, maybe the school has no policy against this per se but doesn't mean they want said player/s to be representative of the school. Of course, they are suggesting different action depending on the specific player as well.
 
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goldenvol said:
If the school has a policy that the football players knowingly broke, then the football team needs to play.

If the school is trying to be overly aggressive towards avoiding title IX issues, then I would side with the players.
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It's worth noting that several of these players have already missed time for this, and were then reinstated. If the school suddenly has new information that necessitates further action, then I think they owe it to the rest of the team to tell them as much. Give them as much information as legally permitted and then let them decide if this boycott is how they want to proceed.
 
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volfanbill said:
The funny thing is ask the faux outrage when AJ went through this and the evidence was a lot more questionable. Take away the fact the player(s) wear Tennessee orange and suddenly everyone is guilty until proven innocent.

I really didn't want to play this card, but the overreaction of people here is ridiculous.
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Play what card??? First you misrepresented the facts by stating that the law enforcement found they did nothing wrong, and now you're misrepresenting what most people in this thread have posted.

I'm not aware of any "overreactions" relative to the players. I, for one, have not even stated a position either for or against what the players are doing... and that seems to be the case with most of the posts I've read. I certainly don't recall any posters claiming that the players were guilty.

You have been one of the few to actually voice a strong opinion on this issue thus far (even though you don't know the facts anymore than the rest of us), so it seems that anyone who doesn't see this as clearly one-sided as you do (even though we may be neutral on the subject) must therefore be "overreacting". I do find it a bit amusing, however, that you appear to be the only one "overreacting".

So if you're going to "play that card", I'd advise you not to go "all in" because if you do you'll find that you no longer have a seat at the table.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Play what card??? First you misrepresented the facts by stating that the law enforcement found they did nothing wrong, and now you're misrepresenting what most people in this thread have posted.

I'm not aware of any "overreactions" relative to the players. I, for one, have not even stated a position either for or against what the players are doing... and that seems to be the case with most of the posts I've read. I certainly don't recall any posters claiming that the players were guilty.

You have been one of the few to actually voice a strong opinion on this issue thus far (even though you don't know the facts anymore than the rest of us), so it seems that anyone who doesn't see this as clearly one-sided as you do (even though we may be neutral on the subject) must therefore be "overreacting". I do find it a bit amusing, however, that you appear to be the only one "overreacting".

So if you're going to "play that card", I'd advise you not to go "all in" because if you do you'll find that you no longer have a seat at the table.
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There's nothing about this that makes sense compared to what I said, so I can't comment on it further.
 
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There really isn't much to this.... basically the players are setting up their own labor union. Whether the players are right or the school, or both are out of their minds is kind of moot. I say party on, I love this stuff.
 
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volfanbill said:
There's nothing about this that makes sense compared to what I said, so I can't comment on it further.
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DDV (dumbed down version)

  1. You claimed other posters are overreacting.
  2. They are not.
  3. You are.

Although I guess it's reasonable that if you couldn't understand my previous post, then perhaps that would explain why you've also had difficulty accurately interpreting what others have posted in this thread.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
DDV (dumbed down version)

  1. You claimed other posters are overreacting.
  2. They are not.
  3. You are.

Although I guess it's reasonable that if you couldn't understand my previous post, then perhaps that would explain why you've also had difficulty accurately interpreting what others have posted in this thread.
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And now you've double downed on not comprehending where the overreacting came from. You're a special kind of special.
 
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volfanbill said:
And now you've double downed on not comprehending where the overreacting came from. You're a special kind of special.
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Using the quote function is your friend... and clearly you know how to use it.

Feel free to quote those posters you've claimed overreacted. Especially the ones you claimed who already viewed the players as guilty.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Using the quote function is your friend... and clearly you know how to use it.

Feel free to quote those posters you've claimed overreacted. Especially the ones you claimed who already viewed the players as guilty.
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I'll get back to you when you finally comprehend what I typed, thanks.
 
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Headed For Home said:
After the player press conference yesterday, Minnesota's president should publically withdraw from the bowl game to allow for another team to step in with enough time to practice.
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Totally agree - suspend all players from playing a bowl game. That removes them from being able to bully the university - which is what they are trying to do.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Totally agree - suspend all players from playing a bowl game. That removes them from being able to bully the university - which is what they are trying to do.
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Hmm. Isn't there another perspective to this.... that maybe the school is the bully and taken advantage? Possibly? Sounds like a labor dispute to me.
 
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