Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet

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lawgator1 said:
Why? More importantly, when did you speak to him? Curious as to his knowledge base at the time on that.

From what I hear the only thing that would really contradict that is the claim that the transponders were intentionally turned off, which is itself an inference based on them going off at different times.

The odds that the transponders stopped at different times due to electrical or failures due to structural problems I gather is low. But compared to landing on an abandoned airstrip with no one knowing it I'm going with the tech angle for now.
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Yesterday, I had to make a retraction on my claim that at least one pilot had to be on oxygen.

Both are Captains, one drives 757s for Delta the other drives for Southwest, both have thousands of hours from ATP and Air Force, so they are qualified to speak to the subject. Here is the short and sweet.

1- for the pilots to not know there was a gradual loss of pressurization, multiple alarms and systems would have had to fail. Failures not heard of.

2- if it was a sudden depressurization, the pilots would have had plenty of time to don their oxygen masks prior to blacking out. If that system failed or they just were stupid and didn't put their masks on and blacked out the plane would automatically descended to around 14,000 feet. Plenty of oxygen at 14k feet to revive.

Both flat out dismiss a Payne Stewart situation. Neither buy into the plane landed somewhere theory. Both think that most likely it was high jacked, flown way off course and crashed in the ocean.

I dismiss that theory because it lacks drama and intrigue.
 
#777
#777
lawgator1 said:
I've heard that, but I've also heard that they can shut off if power goes off. Then I've heard its possible for them to go off on their own, but unlikely.

You use the word "systematically" in terms of them going out. I am not sure I've heard how far apart it was. I'm not even sure that has been anything than unconfirmed report 4,823 in this whole thing.
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The time is about fifteen minutes between the first and the last.

Hey, I'm skeptical too about everything that is put out, but on the same accord, the chances of this being a random occurrence of catastrophic malfunction are going down dramatically. If indeed it was a complete loss of cabin pressure, you cannot tell me someone wasn't able to get an oxygen mask on and call for help or flip the transponder to emergency before hypoxia set in.

Cabin depressurization would still not account for the random controlled turn if it happened (which chances are it likely did). Even a crew member slumped over the controls would have caused this thing to crash way sooner.

Things are adding up to hostile actions here. Like Velo said, you list the probably courses and go from there. And more and more this is not looking like something random.
 
#778
#778
At this point, all theories have one or more improbable elements. One of them will end up being correct.
 
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#779
Ernest T. Vol said:
Has Rolls Royce issued a statement? I've seen the engines were running submitting data and the exact opposite.
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One of the cable news networks reported that Rolls Royce said the report was false a coup k e of days ago.. probably CNN, I watch it more than other news networks
 
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Grand Vol said:
The time is about fifteen minutes between the first and the last.

Hey, I'm skeptical too about everything that is put out, but on the same accord, the chances of this being a random occurrence of catastrophic malfunction are going down dramatically. If indeed it was a complete loss of cabin pressure, you cannot tell me someone wasn't able to get an oxygen mask on and call for help or flip the transponder to emergency before hypoxia set in.

Cabin depressurization would still not account for the random controlled turn if it happened (which chances are it likely did). Even a crew member slumped over the controls would have caused this thing to crash way sooner.

Things are adding up to hostile actions here. Like Velo said, you list the probably courses and go from there. And more and more this is not looking like something random.
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Ok, had not heard the 15 minutes thing before.

As to depressurization, yes they are supposed to be able to handle, but i guess that in some respect depends on how it occurred.
 
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Gramps said:
One of the cable news networks reported that Rolls Royce said the report was false a coup k e of days ago.. probably CNN, I watch it more than other news networks
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I read that they had simply refused to comment on the matter.

This is an important detail: whether or not the engines continued to send out a signal for four hours. It's odd we don't have more clarity on this.
 
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Velo Vol said:
I read that they had simply refused to comment on the matter.

This is an important detail: whether or not the engines continued to send out a signal for four hours. It's odd we don't have more clarity on this.
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At the same time, its in the best interest of the investigation to keep what they KNOW under wraps.
 
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Velo Vol said:
I read that they had simply refused to comment on the matter.

This is an important detail: whether or not the engines continued to send out a signal for four hours. It's odd we don't have more clarity on this.
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If this is a terrorist/hostage situation, maybe they haven't released that info if they think the plane is still intact and landed somewhere so they don't tip their hand?
 
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davethevol said:
Here's my conspiracy theory for the day: the plane was hijacked and is now in possession of terrorists who also have a nuclear bomb. Since they don't have a missile system to deliver it, they needed a plane. They will be able to fly it close enough to a major city to detonate it before it is shot down. I do not necessarily think it will be used against the US, but I think this is going to be worst case scenario that the world hasn't experienced yet.
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Hopefully its at the bottom of the ocean right now
 
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#785
#785
If the plane flew for hours then the pilot or co-pilot had to be flying the plane because no one else on board had any aviation experience.
 
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vols-1 said:
If the plane flew for hours then the pilot or co-pilot had to be flying the plane because no one else on board had any aviation experience.
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Except the aliens that boarded. Which is about where this is headed if it gets any more bizarre.
 
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#787
Plane went from 35k feet to 43k then back down to 20k feet, all while zig zagging etc.

Someone took this plane over!
 
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#788
volmaverick said:
Plane went from 35k feet to 43k then back down to 20k feet, all while zig zagging etc.

Someone took this plane over!
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Heard on the news that one of the communications devices had to be disabled from the lower deck down in the electronics compartment.

And apparently Malaysia is now considering foul play...
 
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Grand Vol said:
Heard on the news that one of the communications devices had to be disabled from the lower deck down in the electronics compartment.

And apparently Malaysia is now considering foul play...
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Here's the culprit
 

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#798
another radar photo, the last tracked position by this site. apparently the 0 altitude is a result of a failed senor. so somewhere around here is when everything started to fail.

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Velo Vol said:
I read that they had simply refused to comment on the matter.

This is an important detail: whether or not the engines continued to send out a signal for four hours. It's odd we don't have more clarity on this.
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There are at least 3 communication devices on that plane. The Data Reporting System, Transponder(s), and ACARS.

Data Reporting System - Shut down 1:07am
Transponder(s) - Shutdown 1:21am
ACARS(Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) - Cannot be shut down manually. This is the system that was still communicating with the satellite.

I've heard there are supposedly two transponders on a 777, one in the front(cabin), one in the rear. Maybe someone else knows more about this.

Clearly someone deliberately shut down two of the aircrafts communication systems.

Grand Vol said:
Heard on the news that one of the communications devices had to be disabled from the lower deck down in the electronics compartment.

And apparently Malaysia is now considering foul play...
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I also heard something about that as well. If so whoever took the plane knew what they were doing.

volmaverick said:
Plane went from 35k feet to 43k then back down to 20k feet, all while zig zagging etc.

Someone took this plane over!
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I hadn't heard all of this before but to comment on just the altitude, it's a fact that if the plane can handle it the higher the altitude the faster it can travel to it's destination. 43,100 feet is the maximum certified altitude that a 777 can fly. G series jets are designed to handle higher altitudes. For instance a G650 has a service ceiling of 51,000 feet.
 
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On mobile, can't link but just read an article that is now pointing towards piracy. Mentions that piracy and pilot suicide might be the 2 biggest ideas
 
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