Missionaries, your thoughts?

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OrangeEmpire said:
OE was listening to sports talk and tebow was mentioned. The guest said something to the effect of ive always had a problem with people preying on hungry underpriviledged people trying to sell them on religion.

OE admits he is a bible thumper but never really looked at it this way. I wouldnt think my brother in peru doing medical work is a bad thing
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That's balogna. I was a missionary once upon a time. It wasn't just about conversions. We offered service and charity to those who we knew were not in the least bit interested. We let them abuse our charity. We were fine with it. The whole point is helping people, spiritually or temporally.

Even though I'm not very religious I wouldn't take back the 2 years I spent. It was the most unselfish thing I'll ever do.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
OE was listening to sports talk and tebow was mentioned. The guest said something to the effect of ive always had a problem with people preying on hungry underpriviledged people trying to sell them on religion.

OE admits he is a bible thumper but never really looked at it this way. I wouldnt think my brother in peru doing medical work is a bad thing
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missionaries ... trying to convert people to their religion while helping them out in the process.

damn them. damn them all to hell.

how dare they!!!!
 
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Why on earth shouldn't a missionary share their religion with someone they are giving aid to? I don't get it.
 
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volinbham said:
Why on earth shouldn't a missionary share their religion with someone they are giving aid to? I don't get it.
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If you truly are a christian then you hafta believe that sharing your religion with someone is giving them the most aid you possibly could. Nothing is more important than salvation. Sharing the faith is also the number one responsibility of the faithful. Any worldly aid given is secondary to that primary mandate.

So, I guess I just gotta say, I don't get it either.
 
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I don't care what faith they are - I don't see anything wrong with sharing that while administering aid.
 
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Don't see any Muslims or Jews doing missionary work
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therealUT said:
It was a rhetorical question. Thanks for clearing up the fact that you were making uninformed statements, though.
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If those charities, assuming they exist, are not present here and one would have to travel overseas to see them, then is he making an uninformed statement, or is he making a statement of fact? That being, he doesn't see them. Which would appear to be truth.
 
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RespectTradition said:
If those charities, assuming they exist, are not present here and one would have to travel overseas to see them, then is he making an uninformed statement, or is he making a statement of fact? That being, he doesn't see them. Which would appear to be truth.
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There are plenty of Muslims who provide aid and humanitarian work, due to theological deontology, throughout the Arab world, South Asia, and Southeast Asia.

I am not surprised though that you hold the notion that if work is not done in America (where you would see them) then it is not done. Try expanding your worldview.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Hmmm, I'm having a tough time thinking of aid organizations which ask for anything in return.
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Don't remember the organization, but in the early 60's as a broke Seaman Recruit fresh out of boot camp I was able to get a sandwich on South State Street in Chicago in exchange for listening to a sermon. I don't imagine much has changed in the past 50 years.
 
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therealUT said:
There are plenty of Muslims who provide aid and humanitarian work, due to theological deontology, throughout the Arab world, South Asia, and Southeast Asia.

I am not surprised though that you hold the notion that if work is not done in America (where you would see them) then it is not done. Try expanding your worldview.
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I've noticed you have problems with english.

I never said that they don't do such work.

It is true though, that if someone does not do something within your sight, then you can't see it. He can't see something that is done overseas, can he?
 
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volinbham said:
I don't care what faith they are - I don't see anything wrong with sharing that while administering aid.
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Curious as to your opinion of Catholic missionaries in Africa giving aid, while at the same time, preaching the sinfulness of condom use. Here, we have an example of an otherwise benign belief turned lethal in a third world continent of uneducated and poor people ravaged by AIDS.

That is the extreme example, of course. However, on balance I'm of the opinion that we would all be best to give the aid and leave the fairytale stuff to people educated and informed enough to consider what they are being told.
 
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therealUT said:
I am a Marxist? Do tell me what you mean by that term and how I fit it by asserting that "aid" should not be attached to conditions. I am waiting with baited breath because this should be good.

Feel free to offer definitions of "Marxism", "aid", "missionary", and "proselytize".

By the way, you have just made your form of Christianity look empty, amoral, and dumb.


Exactly. This is not "aid" anymore, it is selling a "product". It is neither altruism nor charity. It is absolutely despicable; which, is why I do not endorse evangelical missionaries.
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This is my feeling about you.

You could care less as long as it was any other religion besides Christianity.

Why the hatred for Christianity?(answer please)

I do not like people who push their views on you, but who is to say that missionaries are pushing their views. Why do you think the people do not want to hear the message that missionaries bring? They might want to hear it.
 
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Pretty sure Muslims, by theological creed, are required to help the needy and give charity.

The problem is again, they do so to mostly uneducated masses that have no clue as to what they are really being taught, and in the case of Islam, could be driven to the conclusion to do some pretty nasty things, whether taught that by the missionaries or not.
 
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volinreallife said:
This is my feeling about you.

You could care less as long as it was any other religion besides Christianity.

Why the hatred for Christianity?(answer please)
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I have the same feelings for Christianity that I do for every other religion. I make an effort to do my best to demonstrate the absurdity of those who feel their religion is qualitatively different than other religions.

volinreallife said:
I do not like people who push their views on you, but who is to say that missionaries are pushing their views. Why do you think the people do not want to hear the message that missionaries bring? They might want to hear it.
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They might want to hear it. Do you know how you find out if individuals want to hear about your religion? You can either ask said individual; or, you can wait until said individual asks.

I am not sure whether this goes on in the simply administration of aid; I do know that it does not occur in "missionary' schooling. Catholics, Protestants, and Muslims the world over build schools for the poor (most of these schools are boarding schools) and then they insure that they instruct the children on the fundamentals of the religion. These children have no choice as to whether or not they want to be instructed in some religion; it is forced upon them. This has been known for centuries and the Jesuits even had a saying about it: "Give me a child for seven years and I will give you the man". This was the Jesuit model for conversion; it is odd that they did not focus at converting adults. They focused on kids who possessed less developed reasoning skills and were in a position of almost utter subordination to their Jesuit instructors.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
OE was listening to sports talk and tebow was mentioned. The guest said something to the effect of ive always had a problem with people preying on hungry underpriviledged people trying to sell them on religion.

OE admits he is a bible thumper but never really looked at it this way. I wouldnt think my brother in peru doing medical work is a bad thing
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have you ever seen the product of Christian missionaries? I'm talking about true Christians.

their works have changed countless of lives for the better, not only on earth, but after they've died. they don't prey on underpriviledged people at all.
 
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rjd970 said:
Curious as to your opinion of Catholic missionaries in Africa giving aid, while at the same time, preaching the sinfulness of condom use. Here, we have an example of an otherwise benign belief turned lethal in a third world continent of uneducated and poor people ravaged by AIDS.

That is the extreme example, of course. However, on balance I'm of the opinion that we would all be best to give the aid and leave the fairytale stuff to people educated and informed enough to consider what they are being told.
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Catholocism (sp) is a false religion. I've been listening to some studies on Rome and it is not about leading people to Christ, but gaining power.
 
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joevol320 said:
have you ever seen the product of Christian missionaries? I'm talking about true Christians.

their works have changed countless of lives for the better, not only on earth, but after they've died. they don't prey on underpriviledged people at all.
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This is my favorite of all the defenses of Christian apologists. "Anything done in the name of Christianity that does not result in good is not actually done in the name of Christianity"; do you observe the same principle when viewing other religions? If so, then your point has some validity. If not, then you are simply a bigot. Pick your poison.
 
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joevol320 said:
Catholocism (sp) is a false religion. I've been listening to some studies on Rome and it is not about leading people to Christ, but gaining power.
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Catholicism is a false religion; a false religion upon which every other Christian sect owes an infinite debt. Would any Christian in 2011 have known any of the stories regarding Jesus if the Roman Church had not preserved the the NT texts? Where did Luther and Calvin get both their Latin Bibles (which they then chose to translate)? Where did Luther and Calvin receive their educations?

The Catholic Church certainly devolved into an institution concerned simply with power; however, Luther was exploited by the power hungry Germanic princes; Calvin was working not to destroy Christian power but to relocate it; Henry, Elizabeth, and James were hell-bent on a supreme increase in British power.

If it was not about power and simply about living well and doing good works, we would be closer to having a Kantian society than even the modern interpretation of a Christian society.

A supreme moral being, if concerned with anything, should be concerned with morality; not with vapid and vacant praise and worship. This Being, who is immutable, would be concerned with good works for the sake of doing good works; not for the sake of spreading "His name". To assert that this Being is concerned with its own glorification is to assert that this being is inherently selfish; this appears to be blasphemy.
 
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rjd970 said:
Curious as to your opinion of Catholic missionaries in Africa giving aid, while at the same time, preaching the sinfulness of condom use. Here, we have an example of an otherwise benign belief turned lethal in a third world continent of uneducated and poor people ravaged by AIDS.

That is the extreme example, of course. However, on balance I'm of the opinion that we would all be best to give the aid and leave the fairytale stuff to people educated and informed enough to consider what they are being told.
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I certainly wouldn't advocate what you suggest above but the principle of sharing their faith while providing aid is fine with me.

I'm not concerned the recipients are so dumb/uninformed that they'll be duped.
 
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Can't the people you refer to as dumb and uninformed simply say no if they aren't interested?
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