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Coach Jumper said:
UCONN has 8, we have 7
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UConn has 12 players on the roster. Two are walk-ons. Of the remaining 10, Butler, Nurse, Chong & Ekmark were not McDAA's. That leaves 6. And I am not sure about Williams who missed most of her last 2 years of HS with injuries.
 
#104
#104
Dat Kansas - Villanova matchup was some real basketball!

Hot dang that was one heck of a basketball game...ain't no 60 point snoozefest shutout!
 
#105
#105
There is actually a very high level of talent in WCBB mostly because the best players stay four years unlike in the men's game where they are gone in one or at most two years. Unfortunately, that also means that the teams that get the best talent each year separate themselves from their peers because they keep that talent for four years and can add complementary players in each of the following years.

On the men's side mid-majors and the lesser teams in the P5 are more competitive because while they are less talented, their players are older, more physically and mentally mature, and have been coached for longer and play better team ball. In the women's game that advantage doesn't exist because everyone sticks around for four years.

Geno has gotten offers over the years to coach men's teams which he has turned down - why give up a great job coaching good student athletes who he gets for four years, to coach a bunch of prima dona boys who are more concerned about their pro prospects than their teams success?! :)

Recruiting is one of the least enjoyable jobs for most coaches - it is a lot easier in the women's game than in the men's where you are replacing at least half your starting roster every year.

One of the most enjoyable aspects for most coaches is teaching and expanding the games of their players - that is a lot more fun in the women's game where you actually get to work with players committed to learning for four years, rather than killing time for a year or two until they can sign on with an agent.
 
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UCMiami said:
There is actually a very high level of talent in WCBB mostly because the best players stay four years unlike in the men's game where they are gone in one or at most two years. Unfortunately, that also means that the teams that get the best talent each year separate themselves from their peers because they keep that talent for four years and can add complementary players in each of the following years.

On the men's side mid-majors and the lesser teams in the P5 are more competitive because while they are less talented, their players are older, more physically and mentally mature, and have been coached for longer and play better team ball. In the women's game that advantage doesn't exist because everyone sticks around for four years.

Geno has gotten offers over the years to coach men's teams which he has turned down - why give up a great job coaching good student athletes who he gets for four years, to coach a bunch of prima dona boys who are more concerned about their pro prospects than their teams success?! :)

Recruiting is one of the least enjoyable jobs for most coaches - it is a lot easier in the women's game than in the men's where you are replacing at least half your starting roster every year.

One of the most enjoyable aspects for most coaches is teaching and expanding the games of their players - that is a lot more fun in the women's game where you actually get to work with players committed to learning for four years, rather than killing time for a year or two until they can sign on with an agent.
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No, the quantity and quality of talent is very small in WCBB. Once you get outside the top 15-20 players in the ESPN top 100 in just about any given year, there will be a huge drop off in the caliber of player. It's just that the talent that does come in has a chance to develop in college rather than a professional league. The pool of elite talent is much deeper in the men's game.
 
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#107
There has already been chatter about women's player's starting to think about leaving school early and playing over seas because money is so good. I say give it time and it will start happening.
 
#108
#108
Geno from the Dark Side is really hoping that LVs continue to win so he can do the same: 98-68 or worse. :whistling:
 
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cwbytruckers said:
If Pat was stilling coaching and we had UCONN's success there wouldn't be an issue on this board for sure.
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In the 22 years from Tennessee's first championship in 1987 through their last one in 2008, the Lady Vols were in the Final Four 12 times, 8 times the national champions. Somehow, this dominance was good for women's basketball.

Assuming UConn beats Texas and goes to the Final Four this year, this will be their 11th Final Four in 21 years - exactly the same pace at Tennessee's. Somehow, this dominance is bad for women's basketball.

This reminds me of a discussion with my father-in-law, who hated Clinton for his military spending cuts, but who had no problem with identical cuts (as measured by percentages) by Reagan and Bush Senior on the bookends of Clinton's administration.

And for the record, as a UConn fan, I am delighted the Lady Vols have found their footing and are making a push in this tournament because I believe a strong Tennessee team IS good for women's basketball.
 
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#110
Uconn always gets those 2-3 players that are way better than everyone else. Then, they sign 8 of the top 10 every year. Can't beat that. I wish uconn would get busted for something big, can't stand geno.
 
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skoalbeans said:
Uconn always gets those 2-3 players that are way better than everyone else. Then, they sign 8 of the top 10 every year. Can't beat that. I wish uconn would get busted for something big, can't stand geno.
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I'm not sure what you are on, but I would like to try some.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
A lot of people kissing up to Geno on here... The women's game is especially conducive to a dominant team. You have a very small pool of elite high school talent to draw players from and they all stay for 4 years. Additionally, only a small number of teams receive national television exposure to aid recruiting and everyone wants to play on television. (this is where ESPN came into play - UConn was getting just as much airtime as Tennessee from '96-'98). When it wasn't UConn running shop over the field it was Tennessee and when UConn's run is over - it will be someone else. That's just the nature of WCBB.

Also, if Geno is the greatest basketball coach ever then why didn't he ever try his hand at the men's game? He is a man in his 60's who has accomplished it all and yet still just wants to coach girls.
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HONESTLY, you think coaching the "men's" game is a step up from coaching "girls?" So, all these WOMEN'S coaches are "not good enough" to coach the "boys'" teams?

Sexist much?
 
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bobkitten said:
HONESTLY, you think coaching the "men's" game is a step up from coaching "girls?" So, all these WOMEN'S coaches are "not good enough" to coach the "boys'" teams?

Sexist much?
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Some coaches prefer working with articulate young women who are open to instruction and put the team first. They also commit to four years with a school. Compare that to the male players (many of whom are covered in tattoos and have rap sheets) who think every game is their personal audition for the NBA. They care only about themselves. They register for classes they never attend in the second semester because they know they are gone come spring. It is a totally different approach to the game. One is not right or wrong, better or worse, simply drastically different. I wouldn't criticize a coach for his/her choice, especially if he/she is making a difference in the lives of so many young people.
 
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#116
bowlinggreenvol said:
They're by far one of the ugliest teams in the country year in and year out, save for Sue Bird.
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Irrelevant? Check. Sexist? Check. Classless? You bet. Your post demonstrates what one might call a UNCONN-like dominance over any competitors in all three areas.

Shouldn't we be discussing women basketball players as athletes? I can't imagine someone saying something like this on the men's basketball board.
 
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jonson said:
Irrelevant? Check. Sexist? Check. Classless? You bet. Your post demonstrates what one might call a UNCONN-like dominance over any competitors in all three areas.

Shouldn't we be discussing women basketball players as athletes? I can't imagine someone saying something like this on the men's basketball board.
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Most of the LV fans here are not as classless as some of the folks posting in this thread. I perceive that many UT football fans who really don't care much for WCBB have invaded the thread.

Bottom Line: I would love for the LVs to be as dominant as the UCONN team of the last 10 years. And I would not care if TV ratings suffered for it. :p
 
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#120
#120
Originally Posted by Vols4life
This is what is wrong with half of America....instead of working hard to get up to the bar that is set...we want it lowered or someone moved to make it easier to reach that bar....stupid

LadyVol1908 said:
You must be a Trump supporter!
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I don't consider myself a Trump supporter, but I certainly do support the comment from Vols4life. If Trump does too, good for him.
 
#121
#121
BowlBrother85 said:
No, the quantity and quality of talent is very small in WCBB. Once you get outside the top 15-20 players in the ESPN top 100 in just about any given year, there will be a huge drop off in the caliber of player. It's just that the talent that does come in has a chance to develop in college rather than a professional league. The pool of elite talent is much deeper in the men's game.
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You only imagine that is true because you have forgotten all the mens college players who aren't playing their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th year in the college game - they are already starring playing pro ball. Bring them back and all those folks that look so good right now suddenly become just average players.
 
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#122
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UCMiami said:
There is actually a very high level of talent in WCBB mostly because the best players stay four years unlike in the men's game where they are gone in one or at most two years. Unfortunately, that also means that the teams that get the best talent each year separate themselves from their peers because they keep that talent for four years and can add complementary players in each of the following years.

On the men's side mid-majors and the lesser teams in the P5 are more competitive because while they are less talented, their players are older, more physically and mentally mature, and have been coached for longer and play better team ball. In the women's game that advantage doesn't exist because everyone sticks around for four years.

Geno has gotten offers over the years to coach men's teams which he has turned down - why give up a great job coaching good student athletes who he gets for four years, to coach a bunch of prima dona boys who are more concerned about their pro prospects than their teams success?! :)

Recruiting is one of the least enjoyable jobs for most coaches - it is a lot easier in the women's game than in the men's where you are replacing at least half your starting roster every year.

One of the most enjoyable aspects for most coaches is teaching and expanding the games of their players - that is a lot more fun in the women's game where you actually get to work with players committed to learning for four years, rather than killing time for a year or two until they can sign on with an agent.
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Sorry UCM, but what does spending four years developing players have to do with anything? That's not the way of college sports nowadays, and the key is that you either jump to the pros or another team after a year at a college, and that's why WCBB is so "boring," because you have to watch players like Stewart, Davis, Plum, Graves et al battle it out for four years, when most of us just want to get on to the next group of one-and-dones.

Fact is, the "nothing but excellence and total effort" credo that Pat and Geno insisted on is just flotsam from a past age when that kind of stuff was admired. Now you just have wankers who whine that everything needs to be brought down to some crappier level, or that we should dig up some dirt about anyone who is successful, or that coaches of the sport they are posting about should run off to some other "superior" sport, or that the girls on a team are ugly (is someone channeling rug-guy Trump there) instead of talking about what they can do on the court. Sad times indeed, but you better get with them or you're in the dustbin of history.
 
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#123
#123
DR2 - very, very good!
I love watching players develop in the women's game over their four years, and I enjoy the fact that they have not yet outgrown the court like the men have.
I never followed MCBB very much, but used to love the pros, until free agency did away with any sense of fan loyalty - you no longer recognize the teams from year to year as the stars circulate around the country. Great athletes, but ...
Feel the same about baseball with teams buying and selling their way to oblivion.
The NFL's popularity I think is partly due to the fact that the 'franchise faces' generally stay in one place for long periods of time - the rosters are large too so the turnover is less noticeable.
 
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#124
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jonson said:
]Irrelevant? Check. Sexist? Check. Classless? You bet. Your post demonstrates what one might call a UNCONN-like dominance over any competitors in all three areas[/B].

Shouldn't we be discussing women basketball players as athletes? I can't imagine someone saying something like this on the men's basketball board.
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If you're somehow suggesting that you would never read a classless post on 'the boneyard' (UConn fan site), there have been countless posts over the last 10 years on that site which have not only speculated on Pat Summitt's sexual orientation (with zero proof that she was gay - just mindless and childish rumor mongering) but posts that have also made light of and joked about her Alzheimer's diagnosis.

Never let it be said that UConn fans are above launching mean spirited and personal attacks against those who have dared to challenge the dominance of their beloved basketball team on the court and the integrity of their coach off of it. A UConn fan coming on another site to call the fan of another team classless? Really?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If you're somehow suggesting that you would never read a classless post on 'the boneyard' (UConn fan site), there have been countless posts over the last 10 years on that site which have not only speculated on Pat Summitt's sexual orientation (with zero proof that she was gay - just mindless and childish rumor mongering) but posts that have also made light of and joked about her Alzheimer's diagnosis.

Never let it be said that UConn fans are above launching mean spirited and personal attacks against those who have dared to challenge the dominance of their beloved basketball team on the court and the integrity of their coach off of it. A UConn fan coming on another site to call the fan of another team classless? Really?
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Well, I'm no Ucon fan and I find this post appalling. I have to admit I don't go to their forum but I find it really unbelievable that the comments you quote could be found on any fanbase forum. Show me the link(s) you refer to.
 
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