Mitchell blames Burdick for Technicals

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governmentmule said:
well Burdick is our enforcer :)

Holly was saying that the double Technical foul was the right call

the sad part is the lack of good officiating in the SEC Championship Game and as we have all seen,it has been going on all year and i don't mean just bad calls against the Lady Vols,surely the SEC can do better than this,I know they can't get all the calls right and i don't expect them to,but damn,lets have some consistency from one crew to the next and from half to half
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Holly would have to say this in public. Coaches can't say much/anything in public about bad officiating without facing a fine from the NCAA. Officiating will not get better in the AA or the SEC, IMO. I think it will continue to deteriorate. That's what I've seen over the past 10 years.
 
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you could see her saying that to the ref during the game,of course she may well been agreeing with them,since they weren't going to change the call,to try and work them later on :)

whats up sly ?
 
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Just hangin' and checkin' out the board. Refs are a particular thorn to me. Most of them do a poor job and no one in authority of them cares. It appears in all sports, it's just more noticeable in basketball.
 
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I am sure Burd said something after Izzy was pushed to the ground. It must have been good because the KY player got pretty livid.

It's all good. Burd showed great restraint to just keep it verbal since the KY player should have been ejected for what she did to Izzy.

Just to be fair though, Cierra said she has had a bit of problem with her temper in the past so she probably does mouth a bit.

But frankly, all of this could have been avoided with competent officiating. Players always get frustrated when there is no rhyme or reason to what is being called. I told my wife early on that there would be a fight in the LSU and KY games this year just based on how the officials started the game.
 
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Voluble2 said:
I am sure Burd said something after Izzy was pushed to the ground. It must have been good because the KY player got pretty livid.

It's all good. Burd showed great restraint to just keep it verbal since the KY player should have been ejected for what she did to Izzy.

Just to be fair though, Cierra said she has had a bit of problem with her temper in the past so she probably does mouth a bit.

But frankly, all of this could have been avoided with competent officiating. Players always get frustrated when there is no rhyme or reason to what is being called. I told my wife early on that there would be a fight in the LSU and KY games this year just based on how the officials started the game.
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I agree. Poor officiating causes the later problems. I don't think it would have happened with fair and even officiating. They continually add more officials on the floor with no improvement in what they do.
 
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Can't these officials be held accountable for making horrible calls game after game after game? I mean I've never officiated a game in my life and some of the calls they miss or get wrong couldn't be more obvious. If a defender is moving into the path of the opposing player and isn't set, then how is that a charge? Yet, game after game I see officials calling that a charge. Or how about all the walks that are missed? Or how about the massive amount of over the back calls we DON'T get when it's obvious it should be called. I remember a couple games back, Russell was being draped over the back constantly by other defenders and not once did an official call a foul. And don't even get me started on flops opposing players try to sell against us to the refs. The refs should not be anticipating calls either, that last play where the Kentucky player supposedly was fouled on the three point attempt was a clear example of an official falling for a well executed flop. What if that shot had of went in, and they call the foul and the girl ties the game?? One terrible call could have cost us the championship. Bottom line, the officiating is bad and has been for a long time. When coaches can't come out and publicly criticize the refs, then I fear that this situation will never improve..There needs to be accountability in women's officiating, but sadly there isn't
 
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just imho, if Mitchell doesn't call time out at the 5 min mark when ky had retaken the lead 59-54, Tn does not win the ballgame.

He gave Tn time to refocus, Reynolds got on a roll and Simmons finished them off.

Thanks coach! lol
 
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Can someone help me with understanding Mitchell's logic? Per Fox online sports, "... two free throws by Harrison, following a hard foul by Kentucky's Samarie Walker. Tennessee fans howled in protest after Walker pushed Harrison to the floor.

Walker and Tennessee's Cierra Burdick were called for technical fouls. With tensions still high, more words were exchanged and another set of technical fouls were called on Stallworth and Tennessee Jasmine Jones before Kentucky's inbounds pass.

Mitchell said he warned the officials before the technical fouls that Burdick "was starting that kind of activity in the game." Mitchell said "it's not the first time that's happened with that player."

"It should be stopped at the beginning of the activity," Mitchell said. "Unfortunately today it was not." "

Now regardless of what was going on with Cierra's mouth, what the heck does that have to do with 23 slamming Izzy to the floor? Did Matthew's hair oil finally slip into his brain and cause a spin out? Or what? His lack of logic stuns me. Or am I missing a link somewhere?
 
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You didn't miss anything. He's looking for a weasel way out of his team losing to the LV's. This is normal for him from what I've seen. He's a whiner like a few other coaches that a few would like to see coach the Lady Vols. Just my opinion.
 
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Is there any video of the foul Walker committed and Burdick's behavior right after? The game is several days old but the more I stew about this, the angrier I get. It feels like the referees DIDN'T want to call a technical or intentional foul on Walker and just made up another technical foul on us so they still call technicals, but not really punish Kentucky as they should have.
 
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Burdick started to go after the UK girl in a threatening manner, with her fists clinched. Personally, I didn't think she should have gotten a T but can see the refs point. The second set of T's were total BS!
 
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gule said:
Burdick started to go after the UK girl in a threatening manner, with her fists clinched. Personally, I didn't think she should have gotten a T but can see the refs point. The second set of T's were total BS!
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I'd like to see the replay because when a player does what Walker did to Izzy, the range of what is considered an acceptable reaction gets widened IMO. It is not bad sportsmanship for a player in the game to want to defend her teammate and if I saw my player intentionally thrown to the ground, I'd have "words" as well. Giving double technicals in that situation was NOT equitable. It was a referee bailout for Kentucky. So glad they lost anyway.

Unfortunately, I had recorded the game but have since deleted it because of hard drive space issues.
 
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clkou said:
Is there any video of the foul Walker committed and Burdick's behavior right after? The game is several days old but the more I stew about this, the angrier I get. It feels like the referees DIDN'T want to call a technical or intentional foul on Walker and just made up another technical foul on us so they still call technicals, but not really punish Kentucky as they should have.
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I have a recording of the game. I’ll take a look for you and report back.
 
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gule said:
Burdick started to go after the UK girl in a threatening manner, with her fists clinched. Personally, I didn't think she should have gotten a T but can see the refs point. The second set of T's were total BS!
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Since I didn't get to see the game, I'd be interested to see a replay of this as well. She may well have intended to knock the crap out of the KY player, but I will say that Burdick clenches her fists often when playing. It's just something she does between plays, either to celebrate a good play or encourage herself to do better. She typically does it with her arms down, though, so obviously if her arms were raised it would have looked pretty bad, especially following a hard foul. I don't remember everything I've read to this point, did Walker get called for an intentional foul?

With the style of play Mitchell coaches, I've been amazed that there hasn't been a scuffle in the last couple of years. I know my blood is always boiling by the end of a LV/KY game and I've been proud that the LV have better self control than me!
 
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clkou said:
Is there any video of the foul Walker committed and Burdick's behavior right after? The game is several days old but the more I stew about this, the angrier I get. It feels like the referees DIDN'T want to call a technical or intentional foul on Walker and just made up another technical foul on us so they still call technicals, but not really punish Kentucky as they should have.
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With 8:34 remaining in the game Carter made an entry pass to Harrison, who was guarded by Walker. Harrison turned her back to Walker and cut crosscourt heading toward Walker who held her ground. When Harrison got near, Walker pushed Harrison with her hip and forearm. Harrison flopped/fell to the court.
With her fists clenched, Burdick immediately took three threatening steps toward Walker. Walker did not retreat. Both their mouths were moving. Graves moved between the two and pushed Bur dick back. Holly then told Lisa Mattingly, “That’s the right call.”

Perhaps the refs didn't want to call a foul on KY because just previous to that play, there were three bad calls in a row that went TN's way.
 
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If BOTH of their mouths were moving, then that confirms to me it was a bad call. Walker gets to intentionally foul our player AND mouth off? Burdick is supposed to stand there and say "ah, jolly good play, Walker". The RIGHT call would be Walker ejected, intentional foul, and our ball back. If they want to be generous, they can NOT eject her, but you HAVE to have us shooting free throws AND get the ball back. You just can't assault players on the court and not have repercussions and that's what it was - there was absolutely no basketball move involved.

If they REALLY thought the mouthing off deserved a technical, then it should have been one technical on Burdick and an ADDITIONAL technical on Walker and an ejection. It was a completely blown call and not equitable at all. They basically got a free punch at us without penalty and we were penalized for protecting our players.

There was no flop involved. Walker had her mind made up she was sick of Izzy schooling her and she was going to make a physical statement and shoved her to the ground. Case closed.

I don't want to hear any weak sauce about us getting calls because I watched the game and KENTUCKY got the calls. And, even if someone does get calls, you call the next play fairly regardless.
 
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still say that UK's coach enabled Tn to win with calling the TIME OUT at the 5 min mark.

They had the ball and Tn was in full disarray.
 
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clkou said:
If BOTH of their mouths were moving, then that confirms to me it was a bad call. Walker gets to intentionally foul our player AND mouth off? Burdick is supposed to stand there and say "ah, jolly good play, Walker". The RIGHT call would be Walker ejected, intentional foul, and our ball back. If they want to be generous, they can NOT eject her, but you HAVE to have us shooting free throws AND get the ball back. You just can't assault players on the court and not have repercussions and that's what it was - there was absolutely no basketball move involved.

If they REALLY thought the mouthing off deserved a technical, then it should have been one technical on Burdick and an ADDITIONAL technical on Walker and an ejection. It was a completely blown call and not equitable at all. They basically got a free punch at us without penalty and we were penalized for protecting our players.

There was no flop involved. Walker had her mind made up she was sick of Izzy schooling her and she was going to make a physical statement and shoved her to the ground. Case closed.

I don't want to hear any weak sauce about us getting calls because I watched the game and KENTUCKY got the calls. And, even if someone does get calls, you call the next play fairly regardless.
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We don't know what they said. Maybe what Burdick said was worse. Holly did say it was the right call and she wasn't upset at all.

I'd guess the refs thought izzy flopped. It wasn't a major push. Can Izzy be that delicate?

Burdick's fist clench and threatening advance was definitely technical worthy. It's just lucky that she didn't go through with the attack and backed off when Walker didn't back down.

If you think the refs favored KY, then you weren't watching this game. Besides, It's just a basketball game. Not worth getting your knickers in a twist.
 
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Convoluted said:
We don't know what they said. Maybe what Burdick said was worse. Holly did say it was the right call and she wasn't upset at all.

I'd guess the refs thought izzy flopped. It wasn't a major push. Can Izzy be that delicate?

Burdick's fist clench and threatening advance was definitely technical worthy. It's just lucky that she didn't go through with the attack and backed off when Walker didn't back down.

If you think the refs favored KY, then you weren't watching this game. Besides, It's just a basketball game. Not worth getting your knickers in a twist.
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Now you are just trolling. About all I can say is I hope the refs favor UConn in the tournament in exactly the same manner they favored UT in the KY game. If there is anyone who deserves to see that happen it is you Convoluted. I am sure your knickers would be completely twist free were that to occur.

If Cierra had gotten a foul for clenching her fists and advancing towards a player who just knocked down her teammate it would be the first time in over 40 years of watching college sports that I would have seen such a thing happen. I am not sure why you would think that should happen other than as a way to piss people off. I don't think for a second you actually believe what you wrote in that regard. Suffice it to say, were angry advances always technicals Geno wouldn't get to see the end of very many games... and he does it to officials.

I think Cierra showed great restraint in only getting a technical for mouthing off given the circumstances. I am sure it was warranted, but I am also sure it probably wasn't much worse than the language Geno uses when yelling at his own players, or ordering dinner for that matter.

I am not sure what this board's policy is in regards to trolling. I think that is what you are doing here with this post since it in no way comports with reality. You call for a technical for a player based on her not hitting another player and not committing a foul on another player. Then you defend the girl who did shove or hit another player. You accuse Izzy of flopping when she had position on the KY girl, and Walker had every incentive to try to move her off the block.

Then you have the temerity to mock us for being upset over the officiating. I am not one for throwing people off boards since I think the lack of character you are displaying is its own indictment and your arguments are infantile and easily disposed of. They simply aren't likely to be believed by anyone who watched the game or who knows anything about basketball. But boards have policies and I will not be sad to see you go should the mods choose to see you off. You aren't adding anything here... and more importantly... you aren't fooling anyone.

In short, you troll about as well as SEC officials officiate.
 
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Voluble2 said:
I am not sure what this board's policy is in regards to trolling. I think that is what you are doing here with this post since it in no way comports with reality. You call for a technical for a player based on her not hitting another player and not committing a foul on another player. Then you defend the girl who did shove or hit another player. You accuse Izzy of flopping when she had position on the KY girl, and Walker had every incentive to try to move her off the block.
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Agree. In summation:
"I have no idea what Burdick said, but I'm sure it was deserving of a technical."

and in the same breath:

"I saw Izzy get laid out, but, who knows? It could have been an Oscar award winning flop."
 
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