Mizzou roster vs UT roster

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LittleCat said:
Not to mention their recruiting class was terrible. Even UK was nearly top 20. Iirc Mizzou was barely top 40.
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Mizzou has barely cracked the top 50 the last several years over in recruiting, yet they still churn out wins. Compare all you want, there is more than simply *'s in this one; Mizzou will be favored.
 
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sjt18 said:
IMHO, the biggest problem with his arm was a complete lack of confidence in a group of WR's who had no idea what they were doing.
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I will buy that heard CBJ mention it several times and Route Running. You were a little more blunt than he was....:good!:
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
Mizzou has barely cracked the top 50 the last several years over in recruiting, yet they still churn out wins. Compare all you want, there is more than simply *'s in this one; Mizzou will be favored.
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I would almost guarantee that they won't be by the time the game comes around. Pinkel has a formula. That's true. Last year, he caught a bunch of favorable breaks that turned about an 8 or 9 win team into a 10 win SECe champ. The year before, with alot of his playmakers out, they struggled to 5-7. When I say "struggled", 3 of their 5 wins were by less than 4 pts. They probably should have lost to UT if not UCF and/or Az St as well.

I expect them to be closer to that level this fall than their '13 level.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
I will buy that heard CBJ mention it several times and Route Running. You were a little more blunt than he was....:good!:
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BTW, Worley doesn't have a "great" arm. He has a good arm, good head, and can throw it accurately when he has confidence in the receiver. The one he threw to North for that tip toe TD was beautiful. He threw some very nice balls this spring based on what video I saw.
 
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sjt18 said:
I would almost guarantee that they won't be by the time the game comes around. Pinkel has a formula. That's true. Last year, he caught a bunch of favorable breaks that turned about an 8 or 9 win team into a 10 win SECe champ. The year before, with alot of his playmakers out, they struggled to 5-7. When I say "struggled", 3 of their 5 wins were by less than 4 pts. They probably should have lost to UT if not UCF and/or Az St as well.

I expect them to be closer to that level this fall than their '13 level.
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Certainly possible, but prior to the bad breaks in 2013 they were averaging 8-9 wins IIRC. Of course that was in a different conference but still, this one is tough to call right now. I think we'll know much more after game 2-3 of the season.
 
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thebjd said:
Total talent UT has an advantage. Our defense vs their offense is not a good match-up schematically based on the way our defense played last year.
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Our defense will be more talented, deeper, and faster then last year, at every level. Missouri should be at least a 14 point win.
 
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So I think defensively we will be better and faster. Even DL will be more disruptive.

Everything this year is about OL and will Blair step up? I like our guards and center. Just unsure of tackles.

WR, RB, QB, TE will all be better and by a large margin. I am believing we beat Mizzou this year.
 
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Nationdom said:
Our defense will be more talented, deeper, and faster then last year, at every level. Missouri should be at least a 14 point win.
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42 point turnaround in 1 year.... with all the freshmen we have to play? I'll take a 1 point win and be happy as hell.
 
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KBVol said:
42 point turnaround in 1 year.... with all the freshmen we have to play? I'll take a 1 point win and be happy as hell.
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Its not like theyre all playing at the same time though.

Offense Starters:
C. Thomas
J. Malone
J. Hurd (splitting reps. really #2)
Helm/Wolf (maybe)

Defense Starters:
E. Moseley/Berry
Kelly/McDowell/Gaulden/Berry

Yeah, we will have some guys rotating, but they will be mixed in with older guys. Its not like we will have 4 freshmen on the DLine all at the same time or anything.
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
Its not like theyre all playing at the same time though.

Offense Starters:
C. Thomas
J. Malone
J. Hurd (splitting reps. really #2)
Helm/Wolf (maybe)

Defense Starters:
E. Moseley/Berry
Kelly/McDowell/Gaulden/Berry

Yeah, we will have some guys rotating, but they will be mixed in with older guys. Its not like we will have 4 freshmen on the DLine all at the same time or anything.
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On defense I'd add Bates, Hendrix/Henderson and Barnett/Sawyers getting regular snaps somewhere in the rotation at their respective positions.

On offense, I'd remove the (maybe).... I'm willing to bet they'll be the 1st and 2nd TEs.

I could be completely wrong, but I believe we'll conservatively have 11-12 true freshmen in the 2 deep on O and D.
 
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KBVol said:
On defense I'd add Bates, Hendrix/Henderson and Barnett/Sawyers getting regular snaps somewhere in the rotation at their respective positions.

On offense, I'd remove the (maybe).... I'm willing to bet they'll be the 1st and 2nd TEs.

I could be completely wrong, but I believe we'll conservatively have 11-12 true freshmen in the 2 deep on O and D.
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Yeah, i only listed starters. Guys in the 2 deep will still be out there with older guys too. Like Bates could be out there with AJ and Maggitt while JRM catches a breather
 
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SJT I've always thought that this would be a win. Missouri lost a lot of production. We have gained a lot of depth. Players like Croom, North, Pig will be a lot better with another year in the system. Add in the fact that this game is later in the year and our OL, DL and our young EE players like Pearson, Malone, Wolf, Helm and Hurd will be maturing into dominant or productive players. We also have RB like Lane, Young and Pickett to carry the load. We will also have more depth and speed on D something we have been lacking In The last few years.
 
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Tennkook said:
My new, never used before, golf driver out performs, my older 3-4 year well used older driver that I am accustom to.

Sometimes new and fresh isn't a bad thing. I think as long as we have an OL and DL that are hungry and physical, they can out perform our old OL and DL that were skilled, but comfortable and seemed undriven.
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I agree. Can't count how many times our experienced oline got burned and pushed around last season, our Dline too. It's hard to tell how a team will play during the offseason. Aub and Mizzou shocked everyone.
 
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sjt18 said:
Rather than continue to challenge each individual that predicts a) Mizzou to beat UT this fall and b) for Mizzou to finish above UT in the East and in the top 4...

Please take a look at their roster losses, returning players, and new players then justify why they should do either of the above. They likely have the most critical roster losses in the SEC and are not backfilling with comparable players.

Gone: NFL caliber LT plus another OL, top 3 WR's, top RB, top QB, top DE, top DT, 2 of 3 LB starters, 3 of 4 DB starters.

Returning: Role players who played around those guys. Two good RB's. A good mobile QB... who threw for under 50% completions in 3 of his 4 starts (61% vs UK).
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Mizzou is a solid 3 star football team. I've looked at their recruiting since shortly after Pinkel got there in 2000. Only 1 other year (2007) did they have a performance on the field like last year. They were generally always around a 0.500 performer in the Big12 conference. I think largely the success Pinkel has enjoyed and the reputation he's earned is due to his ability to develop that 3 star talent. It takes longer and he appears to have a patient fanbase.

Here is his roster by class coming out of spring practice:

Fr 4
RSFr 29
So 2
RSSo 27
Jr 5
RSJr 21
Sr 3
RSSr 16

It's true he lost a lot of talent from last year's class so I expect a drop off in performance this year even with the veteran roster. His success in the past has largely aligned with the seniority of what few blue chips he has mustered. His roster is largely deplete of blue chips after last year so while I think they'll play solid football I think in the SEC this year he should be overmatched. Still, to beat him, even a more talented football team will likely have to deliver a solid performance.

Official Football Roster - MUTIGERS.COM - The University of Missouri Official Athletic Site
 
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After examining Mizzou's roster, could someone do the same with UGA? They'll be a completely different team without Murray (who was their backup last year btw?) and I hear their D lost a lot of folks as well.

Of course, I'm the same guy last year that looked at the recruiting rankings for Oregon over the previous 3-4 years and found that UT's matched up with them really well. As a result, I thought it would be a close game...:ermm:
 
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sjt18 said:
I don't gamble. But if I did, I'd put money on Worley throwing for over 300 in multiple games this fall. With the playmakers around him now, just a "game manager" can do that.
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IF we can protect him with a walkon lt and true freshman rt. that alone is enough for Missouri fans to pencil in a win. But I see us playing Florida,Bama, and Missouri all tough at home. I am 50-50 on beating Florida and/or Missouri.:hi:
 
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CroKev said:
After examining Mizzou's roster, could someone do the same with UGA? They'll be a completely different team without Murray (who was their backup last year btw?) and I hear their D lost a lot of folks as well.

Of course, I'm the same guy last year that looked at the recruiting rankings for Oregon over the previous 3-4 years and found that UT's matched up with them really well. As a result, I thought it would be a close game...:ermm:
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Yeah don't look at recruit rankings after kids are already on campus. That will get you in trouble.
 
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CroKev said:
After examining Mizzou's roster, could someone do the same with UGA? They'll be a completely different team without Murray (who was their backup last year btw?) and I hear their D lost a lot of folks as well.

Of course, I'm the same guy last year that looked at the recruiting rankings for Oregon over the previous 3-4 years and found that UT's matched up with them really well. As a result, I thought it would be a close game...:ermm:
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IIRC, UGA loses almost nothing other than Murray. Supposedly the guy ready to step in at QB is a quality player. Someone said they have some secondary concerns but I wouldn't count on their O being any less potent.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
IF we can protect him with a walkon lt and true freshman rt. that alone is enough for Missouri fans to pencil in a win. But I see us playing Florida,Bama, and Missouri all tough at home. I am 50-50 on beating Florida and/or Missouri.:hi:
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LT is one of the two things I think the season hinges on within that 6-8 win range. I guess there are two ways we could look at LT right now. One, "Oh Lord, we have a walk-on LT who is going to be chewed up by the SEC." The other is, "We have a LT who was a very good but undersized HS player who now has the size that was lacking before AND who is beating out one of the top JUCO OL prospects from the '14 class."

Frankly I am not worried about the RT position. That kids IS beating out well developed upperclassmen. He must be a special player. BTW, he is bigger and stronger than Aaron Douglas was when he started as a RS Fr and became a Fr AA. IIRC, Thomas was a pretty exception HS athlete besides football.

The other is the return of Saulsberry. They need him back playing at the level he was when he got injured. There are some other guys at that position that may have more talent. But they need his experience and development.
 
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