Mizzou roster vs UT roster

#51
#51
The biggest problem last year was the road woes. I can definitely see a win with Mizzou coming to Knoxville. If we can get over the road woe hump this year, we've got a decent shot at 8 wins.
 
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#52
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Nationdom said:
Our defense will be more talented, deeper, and faster then last year, at every level. Missouri should be at least a 14 point win.
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Wow. Absolutely not. They have the personnel that fits their system. It'll be a tight game if we play well.
 
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Catbone said:
Wow. Absolutely not. They have the personnel that fits their system. It'll be a tight game if we play well.
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If we don't win that game then Jones has no business at UT. It will be a convincing win. We have more talent at every position, home game.
 
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sjt18 said:
LT is one of the two things I think the season hinges on within that 6-8 win range. I guess there are two ways we could look at LT right now. One, "Oh Lord, we have a walk-on LT who is going to be chewed up by the SEC." The other is, "We have a LT who was a very good but undersized HS player who now has the size that was lacking before AND who is beating out one of the top JUCO OL prospects from the '14 class."

Frankly I am not worried about the RT position. That kids IS beating out well developed upperclassmen. He must be a special player. BTW, he is bigger and stronger than Aaron Douglas was when he started as a RS Fr and became a Fr AA. IIRC, Thomas was a pretty exception HS athlete besides football.

The other is the return of Saulsberry. They need him back playing at the level he was when he got injured. There are some other guys at that position that may have more talent. But they need his experience and development.
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Don't forget the return of Maggitt as well.
 
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sjt18 said:
BTW, Worley doesn't have a "great" arm. He has a good arm, good head, and can throw it accurately when he has confidence in the receiver. The one he threw to North for that tip toe TD was beautiful. He threw some very nice balls this spring based on what video I saw.
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What?
 
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#56
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sjt18 said:
BTW, Worley doesn't have a "great" arm. He has a good arm, good head, and can throw it accurately when he has confidence in the receiver. The one he threw to North for that tip toe TD was beautiful. He threw some very nice balls this spring based on what video I saw.
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Worley almost gets the ball to the receiver on fewer bounces than Crompton did.

That said, his biggest problem is being forced into a read option O that in fact has no option.
 
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tm3 said:
Worley almost gets the ball to the receiver on fewer bounces than Crompton did.

That said, his biggest problem is being forced into a read option O that in fact has no option.
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Not true. But if you are determined... you'll find a way to hate on a guy.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not true. But if you are determined... you'll find a way to hate on a guy.
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I don't hate Worley for not being a running threat. But I sure question using him in the read option.

And all joking aside I actually agree that Crompton had a stronger arm. Thus his bounces were bigger.
 
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Nationdom said:
If we don't win that game then Jones has no business at UT. It will be a convincing win. We have more talent at every position, home game.
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So if Tennessee (who is picked to win 4 games in some circles) doesnt beat the defending SEC east Champions then it's time to find a new coach.


You need some perspective my friend.
 
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Burger said:
Don't you remember all the passes into the ground? I do.
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No. I remember some AFTER his hand injury in the USCe game. But I do NOT remember an inordinate number of poorly thrown balls prior to that.

But the WR play was so poor, it would be difficult for us to tell which ones he was inaccurate on and which ones he tried to throw away from trouble.
 
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tm3 said:
I don't hate Worley for not being a running threat. But I sure question using him in the read option.

And all joking aside I actually agree that Crompton had a stronger arm. Thus his bounces were bigger.
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That doesn't seem to concern Jones though. Worley was actually effective when he did run. It is still my opinion that they told him not to run in an effort to preserve the RS for both Fr. They didn't want him hurt.
 
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Peterson started the fla game because Worley wasn't making the right reads on the run plays, which included not keeping the ball and Butch even referred to qb making plays with their feet after the Oregon game. He was tentative, but it had nothing to do with telling Worley not to run in a read option offense. Then, if you recall, Worley kept the ball more against Ga and kept a couple of scoring drives going with runs against South Car.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. I remember some AFTER his hand injury in the USCe game. But I do NOT remember an inordinate number of poorly thrown balls prior to that.

But the WR play was so poor, it would be difficult for us to tell which ones he was inaccurate on and which ones he tried to throw away from trouble.
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Wow, he bounced five yard passes into the ground almost every game he played in. He almost lost south Alabama because he couldn't complete an accurate pass. Nice to try to pass it on the WRs.

I'd love to have no memory of one of the worst passers Ive ever seen.
 
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Burger said:
Wow, he bounced five yard passes into the ground almost every game he played in. He almost lost south Alabama because he couldn't complete an accurate pass. Nice to try to pass it on the WRs.

I'd love to have no memory of one of the worst passers Ive ever seen.
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this.

in some ways he reminded me of crompton, and rick clausen. randy sanders, despite his overall shortcomings, built a serviceable scheme for clausen in the SECC game. and chaney ended up doing the same for crompton.

CBJ didn't have much success pounding square peg worley into his round hole read option last year.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Peterson started the fla game because Worley wasn't making the right reads on the run plays, which included not keeping the ball and Butch even referred to qb making plays with their feet after the Oregon game. He was tentative, but it had nothing to do with telling Worley not to run in a read option offense. Then, if you recall, Worley kept the ball more against Ga and kept a couple of scoring drives going with runs against South Car.
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I know that this is not meant to be a factual statement.
 
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Burger said:
Wow, he bounced five yard passes into the ground almost every game he played in. He almost lost south Alabama because he couldn't complete an accurate pass. Nice to try to pass it on the WRs.
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I don't know if that was an attempt at hyperbole... but it is false.

Worley completed 56% of his passes with a WR corps that dropped lots of passes, could not read D's, ran the wrong routes, ran the right routes incorrectly,.... basically all the mistakes you know you have to tolerate from WR's getting their first significant playing time... compounded by the fact that NONE of them had really gotten alot of significant playing time previously.

I'd love to have no memory of one of the worst passers Ive ever seen.
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Maybe that's the problem. You don't have a very good memory. Worley isn't even the worst passer in the past 8 or 10 years.

Crompton was 58% with experienced WR's and a very good TE. He was 52% as a first time starter with more INT's than TD's. Bray playing with experienced and talented WR's was 56% as a Fr then rose to 59% as a Soph. Ainge completed 55% of his passes as a Fr and then 45% as a Soph... again with WR's that had experience.

Of ALL the people who struggled through last season, Worley is the one MOST deserving of some slack.
 
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Oh, btw. If Worley is not the "right" kind of QB then I am having a hard time understanding why Jones seems to be pursuing so many pocket passer recruits right now. Maybe one of you guys can explain that?
 
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sjt18 said:
Oh, btw. If Worley is not the "right" kind of QB then I am having a hard time understanding why Jones seems to be pursuing so many pocket passer recruits right now. Maybe one of you guys can explain that?
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Chip Kelly once stated he wanted a qb who could run, not a RB who could throw.Meaning he doesn't want a Tim Tebow, he wants an actual QB. I imagine Butch feels the same.

You don't need to be blazing fast to run the zone read. I think most of us question Worley because he didn't appear to be running zone read. He almost never kept the ball. Granted you want your qb to handoff more than he keeps, it just seemed like Worley never keep it(by design, perhaps).
 
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tm3 said:
good news! with you vetting his wheels and sjt vetting his arm i look forward to a great season.
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Facts are facts. Hate is hate. And so far, Worley appears to be beating out the competition... in a group that Jones thought was strong enough that he didn't need to sign a QB in the '14 class.

Maybe Jones is wrong. But he seems to have more confidence in his QB group than many of you... some of whom (not you) go absolutely CRAZY at any suggestion that Jones should be given anything less than carte blanche.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Chip Kelly once stated he wanted a qb who could run, not a RB who could throw.Meaning he doesn't want a Tim Tebow, he wants an actual QB. I imagine Butch feels the same.

You don't need to be blazing fast to run the zone read. I think most of us question Worley because he didn't appear to be running zone read. He almost never kept the ball. Granted you want your qb to handoff more than he keeps, it just seemed like Worley never keep it(by design, perhaps).
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I agree but my logic is actually pretty simple here.

You are in the midst of a tough season. Supposedly your Jr QB is ignoring your coaching and refusing to keep the ball enough to keep D's honest on the zone read... yet you don't replace him with guys who are supposedly better and more willing runners who can give you 4 full years? Does Jones really seem like a coach who would allow a player to ignore coaching?

I think the objective was to keep the RS on both Fr. I think the fact that Worley avoided running supports that as well as the fact they did not replace him for avoiding run reads.

Jones also said around the time of Worley's injury that the Fr were not ready to play. Bajakian within a week said that they were. To me that just seems to validate even more the idea that Jones was determined to maintain the RS's.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
I know that this is not meant to be a factual statement.
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Actually, he had a nice game running the ball vs SCar. Had a 13 yd run on 3rd & 16 in the 2nd qtr.... had a key 11 yd run in the 4th on 3rd & 11 in the 4th to keep a drive alive.

Vs Georgia he had an 11 yd gain for a first down in the 2nd qtr, a couple plays before the td pass to North.

He wasn't a particularly willing runner last year. But he did have a few runs that showed that he can be effective with his feet. Sparty's post was more factual than not.
 
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