MLB to ban home plate collisions

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All of us would.

Why do people feel sorry for them? They choose to play a sport with pretty laid-out risks. They can easily retire like the football players that ***** about concussions. I'll take the millions and permanent injuries ( which everyone has ) to play professional sports. Construction workers have more permanent problems than baseball players, but nobody gives a hoot about them.
 
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Why do people feel sorry for them? They choose to play a sport with pretty laid-out risks. They can easily retire like the football players that ***** about concussions. I'll take the millions and permanent injuries ( which everyone has ) to play professional sports. Construction workers have more permanent problems than baseball players, but nobody gives a hoot about them.

One difference is that the rules in sports are totally arbitrary, which makes many of the risks arbitrary as well. There's nothing inherently "part of baseball" about home plate collisions other than that's the way you grew up with it. Remember how everyone freaked out when Alex Rodriguez slapped at the first baseman's glove to try to knock the ball out? Why is that "not part of baseball," but plowing into the catcher with your shoulder to accomplish the same thing is?

Once upon a time in the 19th century, you could retire a runner by actually throwing the ball at them and hitting them, like in kickball. I'm sure when they changed it there were guys like you right there complaining about the wussification of America. But now you'd never think that they took away anything intrinsic from the game when they changed it, simply because you've never seen it. This changes nothing about the essence of baseball.
 
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One difference is that the rules in sports are totally arbitrary, which makes many of the risks arbitrary as well. There's nothing inherently "part of baseball" about home plate collisions other than that's the way you grew up with it. Remember how everyone freaked out when Alex Rodriguez slapped at the first baseman's glove to try to knock the ball out? Why is that "not part of baseball," but plowing into the catcher with your shoulder to accomplish the same thing is?

Once upon a time in the 19th century, you could retire a runner by actually throwing the ball at them and hitting them, like in kickball. I'm sure when they changed it there were guys like you right there complaining about the wussification of America. But now you'd never think that they took away anything intrinsic from the game when they changed it, simply because you've never seen it. This changes nothing about the essence of baseball.

It's just another rule that umpires will **** up. I'd be more concerned about the balls that hit the facemask. John Jaso got boned by taking fastballs to the face. I just think this solves nothing. It might protect from a freak injury, but catches like that don't happen often.
 
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It's just another rule that umpires will **** up. I'd be more concerned about the balls that hit the facemask. John Jaso got boned by taking fastballs to the face. I just think this solves nothing. It might protect from a freak injury, but catches like that don't happen often.

What? Players get injured in home plate collisions all the time, sometimes seriously. It's the single most dangerous play in the sport. When one guy is squatting down and another man running at full speed plants his shoulder in the other guy's head, it's not "a freak injury" when someone gets hurt.
 
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What? Players get injured in home plate collisions all the time, sometimes seriously. It's the single most dangerous play in the sport. When one guy is squatting down and another man running at full speed plants his shoulder in the other guy's head, it's not "a freak injury" when someone gets hurt.

I've watched over 140 athletics games, and many games of other teams. This play does not happen often at all. I've seen more torn ACL's from sliding than catchers taking a hit. Smart ones, step to the side and tag. Only idiots even block the plate period. If you block the plate, you should pay for it. I bet the rampant drug abuse in sports causes more suicides than concussions. These baseball players pump so much crap in their system like amphetamines and steroids. I've had 3 concussions, and I am fine! I have down periods sometimes, but dont we all?
 
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I've watched over 140 athletics games, and many games of other teams. This play does not happen often at all. I've seen more torn ACL's from sliding than catchers taking a hit. Smart ones, step to the side and tag. Only idiots even block the plate period. If you block the plate, you should pay for it. I bet the rampant drug abuse in sports causes more suicides than concussions. These baseball players pump so much crap in their system like amphetamines and steroids. I've had 3 concussions, and I am fine! I have down periods sometimes, but dont we all?

Drug abuse causing suicide doesn't correlate to the uselessness of home plate collisions. They are both bad and MLB should rightly take proper steps to eliminate both.
 
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I've watched over 140 athletics games, and many games of other teams. This play does not happen often at all. I've seen more torn ACL's from sliding than catchers taking a hit. Smart ones, step to the side and tag. Only idiots even block the plate period. If you block the plate, you should pay for it. I bet the rampant drug abuse in sports causes more suicides than concussions. These baseball players pump so much crap in their system like amphetamines and steroids. I've had 3 concussions, and I am fine! I have down periods sometimes, but dont we all?

Your argument keeps shifting around all over the place, so it's hard to know how to respond. So far you've been through 1) wussification of America, 2) home plate collisions are an integral part of the sport so you can't get rid of them, 3) players make so much money that they deserve the risk, 4) these collisions almost never happen anyway, 5) drugs and ACL injuries are worse, and 6) "I've had my own brains scrambled and I'm fine." Am I missing anything?

Look, I simply disagree with you that this is a rare and "freak" accident. It doesn't happen in every game, obviously, or even every week. But it's common enough that somebody gets hurt seriously every year at home plate. I consider this decades overdue. They should have banned home plate collisions the morning after that idiot Pete Rose murdered Ray Fosse's career in an exhibition game.
 
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I feel like we could have a general thread about concussions in sports.

I don't get enjoyment from watching such vicious colisions in light of recent discoveries to the long term impacts of them. Almost feels like watching players (slowly) killing themselves.

And I believe it's in the best interests of the leagues to do what they can to prevent such incidents. Look at youth football enrollment figures. Parents are going to protect their kids and keep them from playing.
 
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Drug abuse causing suicide doesn't correlate to the uselessness of home plate collisions. They are both bad and MLB should rightly take proper steps to eliminate both.

Understandable. I see I'm just ending up as a jack ass at this point. Nobody will ever understand where I come from, and I give up.
 
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Banning plate collisions isn't just about concussions. Buster Posey broke his leg. Ray Fosse's shoulder was torn up. It's just an excessively dangerous play that doesn't really fit in with the rest of the sport. Maybe back in the days of Ty Cobb, when runners routinely plowed over fielders at every base, but not anymore.
 
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Understandable. I see I'm just ending up as a jack ass at this point. Nobody will ever understand where I come from, and I give up.

You are coming from the standpoint that unnecessary brutality is ok. We understand that, we just think it's completely wrong.
 
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Banning plate collisions isn't just about concussions. Buster Posey broke his leg. Ray Fosse's shoulder was torn up. It's just an excessively dangerous play that doesn't really fit in with the rest of the sport. Maybe back in the days of Ty Cobb, when runners routinely plowed over fielders at every base, but not anymore.

2 out of how many? You guys know you don't have to block the plate. A catcher blocking the plate is actually a very stupid play. Most catchers step to the side and tag. Like 9/10 most. If I'm rounding third in the MLB and the catcher is blocking the plate, I'm going to run him over hoping he gets up slowly. What can the runner do if he can't run the bastard over? Not score?

I would pay to see the bolded happen again.
 
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You are coming from the standpoint that unnecessary brutality is ok. We understand that, we just think it's completely wrong.

Unnecessary brutality is where the fun is at. If*I*was a pro, yall would hate me. I'm the guy who play no pad, no helmet, full tackle football every Monday . I guess I'm old fashioned at 22.

It sucked when everything fun gets banned by school administrators when I was a kid. It kept happening with dodgeball ,tag, and other games. All the PC stuff is making people mentally weaker. It's all this rule change reminds me of.
 
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What? Players get injured in home plate collisions all the time, sometimes seriously. It's the single most dangerous play in the sport. When one guy is squatting down and another man running at full speed plants his shoulder in the other guy's head, it's not "a freak injury" when someone gets hurt.

There are only two ways that scenario should occur.
-1) The catcher is using incorrect form
-2) The runner goes well out of the baseline to initiate contact

If the catcher does not have the ball, he should not be blocking the plate. Correct form dictates that the catcher stand a foot or so in front of the plate (giving the runner the entire plate) until he begins to catch the ball. At that point, the catcher's left leg steps in front of home plate, on the third base side (with toes pointed at the runner, as to avoid knee/ankle injuries) to take away the plate.

If the runner slides, the catcher drives his right knee into the ground towards the runner to lower his center of gravity and enable him to make a two-handed tag on the sliding runner, and swivel through, coming up ready to make a throw to another bag.

If the runner does not slide, and attempts to run over the catcher, the preferred solution is to sidestep at the last second while applying a two-handed tag (the runner is essentially applying it to himself, by running into it), spinning towards the diamond to avoid collision and be ready for another play. If a collision is unavoidable, the goal is to roll with the blow to dissipate some of the force. Masks should be kept on for plays at the plate, helping to protect the head and face from direct blows and general concussive impact. The catcher should be in an athletic position, but not in a squat, as this opens his head up to direct impact. The blow should be taken first in the hands/arms, acting as shock absorbers, and then in the shoulders, chest, and midsection. As the impact begins, the catcher should begin a diagonal falling/rolling action (again, rolling with the impact rather than bracing against it) to allow the charging runner to go 'through' and past him.

This is not easy to do on bang bang plays, but if practiced enough, it becomes instinct. In over a decade of catching at a competitive level (many of those years catching 80+ games per year), the only play at the plate in which I was hurt (but not seriously injured) was my very first, in my first year of catching full-time, when I was blindsided AND used incorrect form. I took a shoulder to the face (I had taken off my mask/helmet) from a bigger, older opponent; busting up my nose and mouth pretty badly (but I held on to the ball! lol). After that play, I learned the right way to do it, and I practiced it enough that it became instinct. As a catcher, you are at as much risk as you put yourself in. If you do it right, you will likely come out unscathed; if you use s**t form, you WILL get hurt.

I've watched over 140 athletics games, and many games of other teams. This play does not happen often at all. I've seen more torn ACL's from sliding than catchers taking a hit. Smart ones, step to the side and tag. Only idiots even block the plate period. If you block the plate, you should pay for it. I bet the rampant drug abuse in sports causes more suicides than concussions. These baseball players pump so much crap in their system like amphetamines and steroids. I've had 3 concussions, and I am fine! I have down periods sometimes, but dont we all?

The bolded selection is very true. Considering how many pitches are thrown in a game, close plays at the plate resulting in a collision are quite rare. It is also true that in a bang-bang play at the plate, a runner is more likely to get injured sliding into the catcher than by running into him. As I stated in my wall of text above, ideally the catcher is able to step aside and/or roll with the tag. Blocking the plate is not smart, and is doubly stupid if done with poor form.

Banning plate collisions isn't just about concussions. Buster Posey broke his leg. Ray Fosse's shoulder was torn up. It's just an excessively dangerous play that doesn't really fit in with the rest of the sport. Maybe back in the days of Ty Cobb, when runners routinely plowed over fielders at every base, but not anymore.

Buster Posey's leg was mangled because he was lazy and used incorrect form. Pete Rose bowled through Ray Fosse because Ray did not leave him enough of a lane through the plate. Unless you have - or are in the process or securing - the ball, get out of the runner's way, and do not come remotely close to blocking the plate. If he were out front 12-18 inches, Rose would not have had reason to initiate contact.

2 out of how many? You guys know you don't have to block the plate. If I'm rounding third in the MLB and the catcher is blocking the plate, I'm going to run him over hoping he gets up slowly. What can the runner do if he can't run the bastard over? Not score?

It's as simple as the bolded selection. If you block the plate, you will get trucked. If you don't, you won't. If you use incorrect form, you will get hurt.


TL;DR - Don't block the plate and you won't get trucked. Use correct form or you will get hurt. No need to add rules because some are lazy and stupid.
 
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There are only two ways that scenario should occur.
-1) The catcher is using incorrect form
-2) The runner goes well out of the baseline to initiate contact

If the catcher does not have the ball, he should not be blocking the plate. Correct form dictates that the catcher stand a foot or so in front of the plate (giving the runner the entire plate) until he begins to catch the ball. At that point, the catcher's left leg steps in front of home plate, on the third base side (with toes pointed at the runner, as to avoid knee/ankle injuries) to take away the plate.

If the runner slides, the catcher drives his right knee into the ground towards the runner to lower his center of gravity and enable him to make a two-handed tag on the sliding runner, and swivel through, coming up ready to make a throw to another bag.

If the runner does not slide, and attempts to run over the catcher, the preferred solution is to sidestep at the last second while applying a two-handed tag (the runner is essentially applying it to himself, by running into it), spinning towards the diamond to avoid collision and be ready for another play. If a collision is unavoidable, the goal is to roll with the blow to dissipate some of the force. Masks should be kept on for plays at the plate, helping to protect the head and face from direct blows and general concussive impact. The catcher should be in an athletic position, but not in a , as this opens his head up to direct impact. The blow should be taken first in the hands/arms, acting as shock absorbers, and then in the shoulders, chest, and midsection. As the impact begins, the catcher should begin a diagonal falling/rolling action (again, rolling with the impact rather than bracing against it) to allow the charging runner to go 'through' and past him.

This is not easy to do on bang bang plays, but if practiced enough, it becomes instinct. In over a decade of catching at a competitive level (many of those years catching 80+ games per year), the only play at the plate in which I was hurt (but not seriously injured) was my very first, in my first year of catching full-time, when I was blindsided AND used incorrect form. I took a shoulder to the face (I had taken off my mask/helmet) from a bigger, older opponent; busting up my nose and mouth pretty badly (but I held on to the ball! lol). After that play, I learned the right way to do it, and I practiced it enough that it became instinct. As a catcher, you are at as much risk as you put yourself in. If you do it right, you will likely come out unscathed; if you use s**t form, you WILL get hurt.



The bolded selection is very true. Considering how many pitches are thrown in a game, close plays at the plate resulting in a collision are quite rare. It is also true that in a bang-bang play at the plate, a runner is more likely to get injured sliding into the catcher than by running into him. As I stated in my wall of text above, ideally the catcher is able to step aside and/or roll with the tag. Blocking the plate is not smart, and is doubly stupid if done with poor form.



Buster Posey's leg was mangled because he was lazy and used incorrect form. Pete Rose bowled through Ray Fosse because Ray did not leave him enough of a lane through the plate. Unless you have - or are in the process or securing - the ball, get out of the runner's way, and do not come remotely close to blocking the plate. If he were out front 12-18 inches, Rose would not have had reason to initiate contact.



It's as simple as the bolded selection. If you block the plate, you will get trucked. If you don't, you won't. If you use incorrect form, you will get hurt.


TL;DR - Don't block the plate and you won't get trucked. Use correct form or you will get hurt. No need to add rules because some are lazy and stupid.

Exactly, getting ran over by the baserunner is actually a catchers mistake. This is partially what I'm trying to say. If catchers played the position correctly, this would never happen. It's like tackling in football. Hardly anyone does it right, so they **** their head/neck up.
 
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honestly, them putting in this rule just shows a lot deeper why this generation has sent america into the crapper. the direction we're heading... smdh
 
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honestly, them putting in this rule just shows a lot deeper why this generation has sent america into the crapper. the direction we're heading... smdh

You think? That's why I hate it so much. I don't hate player safety, but this rule is unneeded. Play correct technique, and buster/ fosse would of never happened.
 
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back in my day we played tag with knives and we turned out fine.
 
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back in my day we played tag with knives and we turned out fine.

My kind of people. We can't be afraid of the risks of living life. Otherwise, We'd all be sheltered. I know I can die today if I make one mistake while I ride my long board, but I still do it.
 
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I still do it too. And I'm sick of pampered athletes thinking they DESERVE preferential treatment like "emphasis on safety" and "preventing pointless injury."
What is this, a damn red cross relief effort?!?

When you put on that catcher's gear you're a gladiator. And sometimes gladiators get hurt. When you get on your board, you're a gladiator. You do it and don't expect any protection. Life is life. Gotta live it.
 
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I never knew baseball was a full contact sport. But I am enjoying the current exchange.
 

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