Money vs. Sugar

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Co. Aytch

Co. Aytch

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Alright,

Being the gambler pays off in this town. Seriously, alot of bets can be EASY. Take last week it was -700 for Tiger to make the CUT at the Masters! Just the cut. So, like I am saying easy bets are out there. And for those that don't know, that means you put your 700 bucks up that Tiger makes the cut and you get a 100 bucks in return.

So, after that bet, I have been waiting for another gimmie bet. Here is the line with Floyd Mayweather vs. Sugar Shane Mosely on May 1st.

-250 all the way to -375 for Floyd in town, depending on the casino..
+210 all the way to 350 for Shane...

Does anybody else think that adds up to some easy money?? I know Sugar can do some things. And I know Uncle Mayweather said this will be his toughest fight yet....but, I can't see it from a betting perspective. This line is getting better and better.

Say you got 2700 bucks to bet on May 1st. Who are you putting your cash on?
 
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Money May thinks he has something to prove. I predict him going in with the intent to give Sugar the beatdown of his life. And doing it.
 
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superdave1984 said:
Money May thinks he has something to prove. I predict him going in with the intent to give Sugar the beatdown of his life. And doing it.
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I aint ever heard of a 40-0 boxer going out with something to prove, like he says he is doing in this fight..Totally agree.
 
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Mayweather can dance and dodge better than anyone in the world.

Mosley has to push the tempo, pursue him, corner him, keep the offense going. If he does that, he can hurt Money...and he can beat him.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
Mayweather can dance and dodge better than anyone in the world.

Mosley has to push the tempo, pursue him, corner him, keep the offense going. If he does that, he can hurt Money...and he can beat him.
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I think this is the only recipie to beat May. You have to pressure him and take the fight to him, so to speak.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
Mayweather can dance and dodge better than anyone in the world.

Mosley has to push the tempo, pursue him, corner him, keep the offense going. If he does that, he can hurt Money...and he can beat him.
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Mosley hasn't made a habit of hurting people, overall. I just don't see him having it in him to say damn the torpedoes and go balls to the wall, leaving himself open at times, to get close to and hurt Mayweather.

JL Castillo was the only fighter i've seen to employ that style and put a good licking on Floyd, and he still fell short.

Never say never in the ring, but I see this being a one sided snooze. A definate no-buy on my end.
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VOLnVEGAS said:
Alright,

Being the gambler pays off in this town. Seriously, alot of bets can be EASY. Take last week it was -700 for Tiger to make the CUT at the Masters! Just the cut. So, like I am saying easy bets are out there. And for those that don't know, that means you put your 700 bucks up that Tiger makes the cut and you get a 100 bucks in return.

So, after that bet, I have been waiting for another gimmie bet. Here is the line with Floyd Mayweather vs. Sugar Shane Mosely on May 1st.

-250 all the way to -375 for Floyd in town, depending on the casino..
+210 all the way to 350 for Shane...

Does anybody else think that adds up to some easy money?? I know Sugar can do some things. And I know Uncle Mayweather said this will be his toughest fight yet....but, I can't see it from a betting perspective. This line is getting better and better.

Say you got 2700 bucks to bet on May 1st. Who are you putting your cash on?
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I would put my money on Mayweather at 10-1. Risk a G to win a c-note? Without batting an eye.

The fact that the ML is less than or equal to -500 (5-1 odds) at every sportsbook in vegas or offshore is the biggest gambling gift I will receive in 2010.

Mayweather is a sure thing. Mosley couldn't beat Mayweather on his best day in his prime...and his prime has been in the rearview for about 9 years.

The public wants to see Mayweather fail. They don't like the loudmouthed boastful black man. Thank you, public. I will reap the benefit.
 
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See the post below. Not sure what I did wrong to get a duplicate...twice.
 
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I'm a bit of a boxing nut. I love the history of it. I love watching old fights. I love the "who would beat who in their prime" discussions. I love the "who is the best pound for pound" discussions. I'll talk boxing with anybody who can keep up with me on the subject (few can).

The above paragraph is meant to illustrate the point that I don't take boxing history lightly and that I'm not one to be influenced by a recency bias when it comes to the sweet science. And with all that being said:

Floyd Mayweather is the best boxer I have ever seen. The pre-ban Clay/Ali ('64-'67) was ahead of his time from a purely athletic perspective moreso than any other figher in history. Jones Jr. was in the same boat...nobody had ever seen a fighter that fast and nobody could deal with it (until Jones got slower).

The reason Mayweather is a better boxer than those two is that he has similar athletic gifts from a speed perspective, but he is a much much much much more fundamentally sound fighter than either Jones or Ali.

Sugar Ray Robinson's name also gets tossed in this discussion (because Mayweather specifically said he was better than SRR) and every sportswriter and their cousin will take the position that Mayweather's statements were pure blasphemy and too ridiculous to even be discussed.

The statements weren't ridiculous. Mayweather is the best fighter I have ever seen. I invite anybody on this board to watch an old SRR fight and then watch a Mayweather find...and then tell me who you think would win.
 
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Pound for pound, do you think Money is the best ever? In the prime of everyone's career. Ali? Hagler? Tyson? Where would you put those guys? My thinking is Tyson was just such a freak when he came up and was just destroying everybody. He isn't, and never was, a boxer. He's a fighter. All brawn, no brains. Ali was head and shoulders above the rest at the time. Nobody had his tools. Hagler was the same way for his weight. A great balance of power and technique. Just my 2 cents.
 
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superdave1984 said:
Pound for pound, do you think Money is the best ever? In the prime of everyone's career. Ali? Hagler? Tyson? Where would you put those guys? My thinking is Tyson was just such a freak when he came up and was just destroying everybody. He isn't, and never was, a boxer. He's a fighter. All brawn, no brains. Ali was head and shoulders above the rest at the time. Nobody had his tools. Hagler was the same way for his weight. A great balance of power and technique. Just my 2 cents.
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If the question is: how much better was [fighter X] than his peers, then I think I might have to give the nod to the '64-'67 version of Ali. He was the first (and, really, only) heavyweight that could move like that, and is probably the most athletically gifted fighter we've ever seen.* So I might backtrack and take the pre-ban version of Ali over Money in a pound for pound battle...but only the '64-'67 version Ali (the 1970's Ali was simply a different fighter than his younger version, and I think you have to separate the two out).

With respect to Tyson, I think he was great and I actually think he gets underrated historically vis a vis other big punchers like Foreman, Frazier, and maybe even Sonny Liston. But I'm also certain that the 1988 version of Tyson would lose -- most likely on points but possibly in a late round knockout -- to the 1966 version of Ali.**

I'm glad you mentioned Hagler. Possibly because he lost that '87 to Leonard, Hagler never gets enough appreciation historically. Hagler was sick. So strong and imposing. Not a guy I'd ever want to take a punch from. Pound for pound, though, I'd take Money over Hagler.

But back, specifically, to the question of Money/PBF, he is significantly better than his peers, but just not in the same way the pre-ban Ali was. Mayweather doesn't always look like he's dominating a fight, but I don't think I've ever seen him in trouble. He is extremely fundamental and also extremely fast. He might be the best defensive fighter we've ever seen (please do not mention Winky Wright...unless you want me to go into a long diatribe of hw much I hate him and think he's a scrub). He gets left out of the conversation of greatest pound for pound fighters (that usually includes names like Ali, Leonard, Robinson, Jones Jr., Hagler, Chavez) and I just can't understand why. What are his flaws? Who has come close to beating him? How often does he even lose a round? He might be one of those guys that isn't fully appreciated until after his career is over.

I'm starting to get long-winded. In conclusion, other than the pre-ban version of Ali -- who was just so much of a better athlete than everybody he was fighting that it almost wasn't even fair -- Money is the best pound for pound fighter of all time....in my humble opinion.

*I love the question of whether an athlete in a particular sport could have crossed-over and played another sport. This question is really easy with respect to Clay/Ali. I'm not sure how good his jumpshot was, but there is no doubt in my mind that he could have been an all-pro football player. And Vince Lombardi agreed with those sentiments (thought he'd be a great linebacker). I'm about to go a bit off-subject here, but I think Pete Sampras is another guy that could have crossed-over to football. I would put Sampras at Free Safety.

**As lighting fast and ruthlessly aggressive as Tyson was, he would have had a great deal of difficulty getting inside on Ali. Indeed, I'm not sure if any fighter in history could have landed more than a handful of meaningful punches to the pre-ban Ali on a given night. He was *that* good.
 
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superdave1984 said:
My thinking is Tyson was just such a freak when he came up and was just destroying everybody. He isn't, and never was, a boxer. He's a fighter. All brawn, no brains.
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I will have to disagree with saying Tyson was all brawn and no brains, or at least the younger Tyson that is. The peek-a-boo style is a very difficult style for many boxers to learn and Tyson used it to perfection.
 
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The only person that had enough physical skills during this era of boxing to beat Mayweather was Zab Judah. The thing with Judah was that he relied on his physical skills too much and didn't go the extra mile in training to beat Mayweather.
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Lockdown1 said:
The only person that had enough physical skills during this era of boxing to beat Mayweather was Zab Judah. The thing with Judah was that he relied on his physical skills too much and didn't go the extra mile in training to beat Mayweather.
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Supah had PBF fought to a close fight through 4 and pissed it away with his peanut brain and idiot father. Zabs Dad is the only man who would lose to Floyd sr in a spelling contest.

Judah had PBF somewhat flustered, but nowhere near to the level that JL Castillo had him after he had landed several good body punches and took 4 of Floyd's to land 1. There were 3 or 4 moments in that fight that would have lead to a TKO for Castillo if PBF's footwork failed him.

Like you, I thougt Zab had the tools to beat Floyd, but Zabs career was done after Kostya Tszyu, great talent, but a **** brain.
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Zabs Dad is the only man who would lose to Floyd sr in a spelling contest.

This made me laugh!

:)
 
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I've been watching the HBO series 24/7 following these fighters.

It's hard to be a fan of Mayweather. He comes across as arrogant focusing on the paycheck he will get and how he will spend his money.

His trainer is his uncle who has a battery charge he is going on trial for this year against a female boxing trainee. Doesn't seem like a good camp to be in.

I think Mayweather wins, he's 33, Mosley is 38. That age difference is going to hurt Mosley. Mayweather will be quicker and harder to hit then Mosley. I just can't see Mosley winning though I hope he does.

I do kind of like the way Mosley's trainer works with him using a towel. Mayweather makes fun of it in camp, but seems to me it has the effect of making him move after he throws a punch.
 
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So, most everybody thinks that Money will win this one, but what I want to know now is if it will go the distance?

Do you all think it is a KO or decision?
 
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