Money vs. Sugar

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kidbourbon said:
Mayweather is the best fighter I have ever seen.
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I can't stand him but I completely agree and I don't think people give the respect because they view his technical superiority as a boring style. He's not a runner but his defense is so good that people lump him into that type of category.

I will say though (local bias admitted) that even though his career wasn't as complete, Pernell Whitaker was doing what Jones, Jr. and Floyd did before they came around.

oklavol said:
It's hard to be a fan of Mayweather. He comes across as arrogant focusing on the paycheck he will get and how he will spend his money.
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The majority of that, at least his character, is schtick. His uncle is a different matter, that's real.

oklavol said:
I think Mayweather wins, he's 33, Mosley is 38. That age difference is going to hurt Mosley. Mayweather will be quicker and harder to hit then Mosley. I just can't see Mosley winning though I hope he does.
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Don't think the age matters much. Shane at 33 wouldn't be all that much better off than Shane at 38. I hope for a great fight (considering the money I'll be spending on it) but I have a feeling I'll be disappointed. A lot of Shane's hype is coming from his destruction of Margarito who a) didn't have cinder blocks for hands like he normally did in the past and b) had a style that fed right into Mosley's abilities. Margarito was happy to eat 3 shots to land 1 of his own. That worked against Cotto bc he was able to wear him down (most likely with plaster wrapped around his hands) in the end. Without that presumed advantage, he didn't do enough damage to Mosley and eventually the 3 to 1 trade off caught up to him. Shane still put a strong man with a good chin down but Floyd doesn't fight like that.

Considering it's Floyd, by far the most likely outcome is a UD but I wouldn't be shocked if he puts Mosley down late bc Shane gets frustrated and then gets sloppy.

P.S. If you're getting the fight, make sure to check out the Ponce De Leon vs. Lock undercard. I'd be surprised if that didn't end up being the most entertaining of the night.
 
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NochNoch said:
I can't stand him but I completely agree and I don't think people give the respect because they view his technical superiority as a boring style. He's not a runner but his defense is so good that people lump him into that type of category.

I will say though (local bias admitted) that even though his career wasn't as complete, Pernell Whitaker was doing what Jones, Jr. and Floyd did before they came around.



The majority of that, at least his character, is schtick. His uncle is a different matter, that's real.



Don't think the age matters much. Shane at 33 wouldn't be all that much better off than Shane at 38. I hope for a great fight (considering the money I'll be spending on it) but I have a feeling I'll be disappointed. A lot of Shane's hype is coming from his destruction of Margarito who a) didn't have cinder blocks for hands like he normally did in the past and b) had a style that fed right into Mosley's abilities. Margarito was happy to eat 3 shots to land 1 of his own. That worked against Cotto bc he was able to wear him down (most likely with plaster wrapped around his hands) in the end. Without that presumed advantage, he didn't do enough damage to Mosley and eventually the 3 to 1 trade off caught up to him. Shane still put a strong man with a good chin down but Floyd doesn't fight like that.

Considering it's Floyd, by far the most likely outcome is a UD but I wouldn't be shocked if he puts Mosley down late bc Shane gets frustrated and then gets sloppy.

P.S. If you're getting the fight, make sure to check out the Ponce De Leon vs. Lock undercard. I'd be surprised if that didn't end up being the most entertaining of the night.
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Pernell's career was derailed by drugs. He was a great fighter. He beat Oscar and was cheated bad in that fight. But Sweet Pea is one of the most underrated boxers of all time.
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Lockdown1 said:
Pernell's career was derailed by drugs. He was a great fighter. He beat Oscar and was cheated bad in that fight. But Sweet Pea is one of the most underrated boxers of all time.
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That was a theme for Sweet Pea, he handled Chavez easily too.
 

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VOLnVEGAS said:
So, most everybody thinks that Money will win this one, but what I want to know now is if it will go the distance?

Do you all think it is a KO or decision?
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Mayweather went the distance in his last fight, with an inferior fighter to Mosley. IMO Mayweather will try to win on points and not go for a knockout.

Mosley is a bigger, stronger fighter. Mayweather is quicker, and won't want to trade power shots. I think Mosley spends most of the fight stalking Mayweather trying to land a power shot while Mayweather hits and moves. :twocents:
 
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NochNoch said:
Don't think the age matters much. Shane at 33 wouldn't be all that much better off than Shane at 38. I hope for a great fight (considering the money I'll be spending on it) but I have a feeling I'll be disappointed. A lot of Shane's hype is coming from his destruction of Margarito who a) didn't have cinder blocks for hands like he normally did in the past and b) had a style that fed right into Mosley's abilities. Margarito was happy to eat 3 shots to land 1 of his own. That worked against Cotto bc he was able to wear him down (most likely with plaster wrapped around his hands) in the end. Without that presumed advantage, he didn't do enough damage to Mosley and eventually the 3 to 1 trade off caught up to him. Shane still put a strong man with a good chin down but Floyd doesn't fight like that.
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Mayweather is the quicker fighter, and IMO the age difference is going to make that a bigger factor then it already would be.

To me that's the difference in this fight. Mosley isn't quck enough to hit Mayweather as easily as Mayweather can hit him. Kind of interesting to see if Mosley's trainer's technique of using a towel makes Mosley any harder to hit.
 
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oklavol said:
Mayweather went the distance in his last fight, who was an inferior fighter to Mosley. I wouldn't want to take that bet. I think Mayweather will try to win on points and not go for a knockout.

Mosley is the bigger, stronger flighter. Mayweather is quicker, and will try to get in and score and get out without getting hit IMO. :twocents:
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Floyd will be able to knock out shane if he wants to, it depends on the pace of the first 12 minutes...PBF will likely win 10-2 without putting his beak out there going for a style win. If Shane is unprepared, Mayweather might go to put him down.

There is only one road from here for Mayweather, so a win is a win. It's not as if he is planning on fighting Paul Williams next, I'd expect the usual fundementally perfect Floyd with no more than a half dozen honest exchanges over the distance.
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oklavol said:
Mayweather is the quicker fighter, and IMO the age difference is going to make that a bigger factor then it already would be.
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don't disagree just saying that Shane at 33 probably wouldn't have fared much better. Although, there is not much of a debate on the speed disadvantage, some people would argue that Shane is a better fighter now than he was 5 years ago.
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VOLnVEGAS said:
So, most everybody thinks that Money will win this one, but what I want to know now is if it will go the distance?

Do you all think it is a KO or decision?
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Likely a decision. Floyd tends to stay patient and never looks for a knockout. Of course, he has knocked a lot of guys out and certainly has the ability to knock SS out. But I think it unlikely. Smart money is on a unanimous decision for PBF.
 
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Lockdown1 said:
Pernell's career was derailed by drugs. He was a great fighter. He beat Oscar and was cheated bad in that fight. But Sweet Pea is one of the most underrated boxers of all time.
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Pernell is actually kinda like a poor man's Mayweather. Just as technically proficient, but not quite as physically gifted.

Great boxer, though. I believe he has pugilista dementia or whatever the kids are calling it these days. Doesn't surprise me. He fought a lot.

Going forward I think we'll see Holyfield and Sugar Shane show some effects. Those are the two guys that come to mind that have really fought some in tough tough fights...and fought in a lot of them.
 
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kidbourbon said:
Pernell is actually kinda like a poor man's Mayweather. Just as technically proficient, but not quite as physically gifted.

Great boxer, though. I believe he has pugilista dementia or whatever the kids are calling it these days. Doesn't surprise me. He fought a lot.

Going forward I think we'll see Holyfield and Sugar Shane show some effects. Those are the two guys that come to mind that have really fought some in tough tough fights...and fought in a lot of them.
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I was wrong on this. I was thinking of Meldrick Taylor.
 
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VOLnVEGAS said:
So, most everybody thinks that Money will win this one, but what I want to know now is if it will go the distance?

Do you all think it is a KO or decision?
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Either KO, or TKO...
I don't see it going the distance
 
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I read Mosley is 5'9" and Mayweather is 5'8." That will translate into a reach advantage, I don't think its enough to be a factor.
 
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#42
#42
Mosley is 8-5 his last 13 fights
Mayweather is 40-0

Hard to bet against those numbers.
 
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