Mooslims allowed to practice religion in TN!

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615vols said:
Making it up? Lol where have you been? Rawash's pro extremist posts online are fact and well known. You say people like to "make crap up", well people also like to talk about things they clearly have no clue about. Do some research before accusing others of making crap up, it might save you from looking like such a tool.
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So, where is that stuff about Bahloul refusing to denounce terrorism?

What about the burial that you either a)blatantly lied about or b) were misled about?

How about the demands made of the schools, despite the school board saying that the literature they received was common and the ICM didn't make any demands of them?

As for Rawash, since he posted a few pictures on his myspace, and that apparently makes the whole congregation bad, does that mean that Catholics shouldn't be allowed to build new churches either? I mean, some high ranking members of Catholic churches have done a bit more than post on myspace about diddling little boys.
 
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emainvol - the "demand" opinion issue is not a "glaring example" of an untruth. It is an opinion that appears to be arguably supported by referring to the Guide itself. Again, there is a counter-argument to that. But setting that aside, if Bell has stated an untruth about another person, and it is out on the internet, I fail to see how demonstrating that he has told an untruth is anything but showing the greatest respect for those involved.

If the guy is a liar, let's see the facts. I want to know if he is a liar - and I don't believe such an accusation until I see proof - not just an opinion. If he is a liar, I will join you in denouncing him. However, I would not take such a position without proof - not just someone's word - but proof.

You also mentioned that he changed sides. So what?
 
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615vols said:
emain, i'm not getting anything from bell. I live here, i've personally been involved in the process. Your only response to me has been "you're just copying ". Its weak and makes it painfully obvious that you have no real response to the issues. You're just another person shouting "intolerance" because someone dare have questions or concerns about the mosque and its leadership.
I say again, when a senior member of the mosque is posting praise for terrorist organizations like hamas and supporting their extremist ideas, we have every right to be concerned. If the icm wanted to show the community they will not tolerate it, they would have severed ties with him. Instead he was suspended for a few weeks or whatever it was, and reinstated. Its concerning that they someone in a position of leadership and influence with extremist ideas. But i'm sure you will avoid this as you have the entire time.
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Professor Nono said:
emainvol - the "demand" opinion issue is not a "glaring example" of an untruth. It is an opinion that appears to be arguably supported by referring to the Guide itself. Again, there is a counter-argument to that. But setting that aside, if Bell has stated an untruth about another person, and it is out on the internet, I fail to see how demonstrating that he has told an untruth is anything but showing the greatest respect for those involved.

If the guy is a liar, let's see the facts. I want to know if he is a liar - and I don't believe such an accusation until I see proof - not just an opinion. If he is a liar, I will join you in denouncing him. However, I would not take such a position without proof - not just someone's word - but proof.

You also mentioned that he changed sides. So what?
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I didn't say it was a glaring example of untruth. It is a glaring example of mischaracterization.

And I honestly don't care if you believe me.

He didn't just change sides. He went from one relatively extreme position all the way to the other side and another relatively extreme position. You know what kind of people do that? People who a) are crazy, b) are getting paid to do it, c) were wholly ignorant in the first place, d) are easily manipulated or e) (and I feel confident in saying that this is the smallest group) legitimately came to these conclusions. This guy read a Robert Spencer book, and I am still not convinced that Robert Spencer is not gsvol if that tells you about his viewpoints. He then decided that the ICM, a group that has existed peacefully in Murfreesboro for decades and includes many successful and upstanding members of the community, is a Hamas supported organization based on a few Myspace pictures that ONE of its members allegedly posted several years ago.

Now, in what world is that rational?

Addendum: While you may think it is showing the greatest respect, I have my own reasons for thinking otherwise. I am not the most qualified person to be the whistle blower when it comes to the lies he has posted in the last few months.
 
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darkgable said:
Paranoid and racist. You're an idiot.
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What's that make you?

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Burhead said:
1. Indeed.

2. How else is resistance group going to defeat the enemy?

3. In North America, South America, Europe, the Middle-East, Asia, Africa.

Al-Qaeda is a terrorist group in my mind, but of all the targets on 9/11, the Pentagon was the only military target that could be justified.

How am I sounding like Obama?

GS answer me this please;

Hypothetically speaking, if America was invaded and defeated by a foreign power/s and was under foreign occupation you would want to fight back yes? How could we force the occupation to end if striking military personnel and infrastructure is off limits in your mind? Just look through out our history;

The French Resistance used sabotage, guerrilla, and assassinations of German officers in occupied France.

Polish resistance groups played in a key roles in providing intelligence to the Allies, saving Jews from the Holocaust, and disrupting the German occupation.

Hell Tito's Partisans basically liberated the entire country of Yugoslavia from the Germans. While also rescuing Allied personnel.

If you want more modern examples of successful resistance movements just look at the Mujahideen against the Soviets or the NLF in Vietnam. How could any of these organizations have been successful if they didn't engage and kill the occupiers?
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Man do you ever want to to divert to discussion down some irrelevent path.

Tito's partisans didn't do near as much as the Serbians and as a matter of fact Tito kept open the third largest nazi death camp fopen or six years after the end of WWII and slaughtered countless numbers of Serbians and others.

About the present discussion, it isn't hypothetical that the uma is practicing hijrah against America and they are using our own liberal legal system to gain more and more of a foothold so that someday they can mount the sort of risistance that you so easily justify.

Sultan Knish a blog by Daniel Greenfield

Over in Toronto, a Muslim cleric with the unwieldy name of Al-Hashim Kamena Atangana had a great idea. Al-Hashim's idea was for Toronto to pass laws forcing women to wear Burkas. "Cover up or get raped", was the implied message. Toronto only has an estimated 5.5 percent Muslim population so the Toronto Taliban probably won't be getting their way until they have higher double digit numbers, but they can wait.

Meanwhile in Egypt where the population is 90 percent Muslim and the other 10 percent are running for their lives, a new TV channel represents a brave new frontier in Islamic feminism. Maria TV features women giving lifestyle and makeup tips while wearing the Niqab, which covers their faces and leaves only their eyes exposed. According to some Saudi clerics who think that women are only allowed to leave one eye exposed, this makes them either a bold feminist experiment or shameless strumpets.

In a country where Tahrir Square has become synonymous with sexual assault; the Al-Hashim paradigm is taking hold. There are photos of female students at Cairo University from the 60's and 70's that showed them dressing like women did in the 60's and 70's. But by the time Obama showed up to praise Cairo University as a great representative of Islamic civilization, the cover-up had begun. The question is where will the cover-up end and what will the Cairo University class of 2020 look like? They probably won't have faces, but will they even have eyes?

You can attend a university with your head covered, even with your face covered, but it gets harder to attend class when your eyes are covered. If the trend means anything in a decade Muslim feminism will mean fighting for the right to keep one eye open in a religion that wants everyone to keep their eyes shut.

The liberal West has reacted to the Islamic cover-up with its own cover-up. The Western liberal will run through the gamut of his own civilization's sins before reluctantly admitting that some parts of the Muslim world may not be an ideal place to be a woman, but he immediately reaches for a rolled up copy of the New York Times and uses Tom Friedman's latest report from an airport's luxury lounge in Dubai or Kuala Lumpur as proof that the reforms are coming.
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The Muslim Brotherhood succeeded in changing Egypt through the twin expedients of propaganda and violence. 70 years after educated Egyptians wanted to be more Western, the Brotherhood is in power and Westerners are told to want to be more Muslim.
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gsvol said:
Man do you ever want to to divert to discussion down some irrelevent path.

Tito's partisans didn't do near as much as the Serbians and as a matter of fact Tito kept open the third largest nazi death camp fopen or six years after the end of WWII and slaughtered countless numbers of Serbians and others.

About the present discussion, it isn't hypothetical that the uma is practicing hijrah against America and they are using our own liberal legal system to gain more and more of a foothold so that someday they can mount the sort of risistance that you so easily justify.
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Can you please list the camp in question you are referring too? The Jasenovac camp was one of the largest in Europe and was liberated in 1945. Also to add, Serbs made up 44% of the Yugoslav partisans fighting force.
 
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Ok - I get the mischaracterization thing - I call it an opinion that is different than yours. But with regard to the switching sides thing, isn't it ok to change your mind after evaluating the facts? Examples:

1) Most stores have return policies - ie. - if you don't like the product, you can return it. You can change your mind and it is acceptable. This is a fairly widespread concept.

2) Pencils have erasers. In my opinion, one of the reasons this is so is because people change their minds.

3) Americans are a people who often choose to change their jobs, their homes, their religions, their spouses, their noses, sometimes their breasts and often their political allegiances. Staying the course isn't always all that smart. And, as Emerson once said, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."

4) I suppose that you might draw a distinction between switching sides and switching "extreme" sides. However, I might point out that some issues provide for only "extreme" positions - for or against.



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Professor Nono said:
Ok - I get the mischaracterization thing - I call it an opinion that is different than yours. But with regard to the switching sides thing, isn't it ok to change your mind after evaluating the facts? Examples:

1) Most stores have return policies - ie. - if you don't like the product, you can return it. You can change your mind and it is acceptable. This is a fairly widespread concept.

2) Pencils have erasers. In my opinion, one of the reasons this is so is because people change their minds.

3) Americans are a people who often choose to change their jobs, their homes, their religions, their spouses, their noses, sometimes their breasts and often their political allegiances. Staying the course isn't always all that smart. And, as Emerson oncesaid, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."

4) I suppose that you might draw a distinction between switching sides and switching "extreme" sides. However, I might point out that some issues provide for only "extreme" positions - for or against.
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I am not really sure which issues you are talking about. There is certainly a middle ground between accusing someone of being an Israeli agent presumably in place to take down the mosque and posting hit pieces that claim this congregation is tied to terrorism and some Islamic conspiracy to take over the world. I mean, I fall somewhere between those two positions, don't you? Again, there are multiple things that could be at work here. I think the most likely explanations are that he is a mercenary or that he is a loon.
 
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Burhead said:
Can you please list the camp in question you are referring too? The Jasenovac camp was one of the largest in Europe and was liberated in 1945. Also to add, Serbs made up 44% of the Yugoslav partisans fighting force.
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But the Serbs weren't aligned with Tito's communists.

Look I roomed with a Serbo-Croatian linguist for a year.

I've forgotten more about the history of the artificial European power construct called 'Yugoslavia' than you will ever know.

I'll do a bit of research and repost some of the material here in order to attempt to enlighten you soon.

Here are a couple of books to which you can refer if you care to do so; "The Rape of Serbia" by a British military intelligence operative, Major Lees and "the forgotten 500."
 
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emainvol - at this point, where I fall in my opinion is this: I have a mother, two sisters, a sister-in-law, three nieces, a wife and a daughter. I do not agree with the tenets of how islam treats women and non-muslims. I cannot support this philosophy in any way. I feel the same way about any other religion that treats women and non-believers in this way. It's just not right. Hence, I do not support the building of a mosque in Tennessee. However, I also believe that the muslims have the right to build a mosque and worship how they desire. I just aint gonna support them. And I was hoping that I would get some sort of information or perhaps an argument that would change the way that I see this issue. But I have not.
 
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Burhead said:
Can you please list the camp in question you are referring too? The Jasenovac camp was one of the largest in Europe and was liberated in 1945. Also to add, Serbs made up 44% of the Yugoslav partisans fighting force.
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Where do you get that 44% figure, out of thin air?

If not for the Serbians, Hitler would have captured Moscow, the Serbians suffered more casualties per capita than any other ethnic group in WWII.

Jasenovac was the third largest nazi death camp and many if not most of it's inmates who met their death there were supplied by the islamo/fascist SS troops who were so cruel that some of hitler's top generals complained to him about their activity.

Tito didn't close the camp but kept it open for six years after the end of WWII as a place to dispose of his political enemies who were mostly Serbians.

Vjekoslav Luburic, commander-in-chief of all the Croatian camps, announced the great "efficiency" of this slaughterhouse at a ceremony on October 9th, 1942,... During the banquet which followed, he reported with pride: "We have slaughtered here at Jasenovac more people than the Ottoman Empire was able to do during its occupation of Europe".
 
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gsvol said:
Where do you get that 44% figure, out of thin air?

If not for the Serbians, Hitler would have captured Moscow, the Serbians suffered more casualties per capita than any other ethnic group in WWII.

Jasenovac was the third largest nazi death camp and many if not most of it's inmates who met their death there were supplied by the islamo/fascist SS troops who were so cruel that some of hitler's top generals complained to him about their activity.

Tito didn't close the camp but kept it open for six years after the end of WWII as a place to dispose of his political enemies who were mostly Serbians.

Vjekoslav Luburic, commander-in-chief of all the Croatian camps, announced the great "efficiency" of this slaughterhouse at a ceremony on October 9th, 1942,... During the banquet which followed, he reported with pride: "We have slaughtered here at Jasenovac more people than the Ottoman Empire was able to do during its occupation of Europe".
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The figures were in the book, The Three Yugoslavias: State-Building and Legitimation.

Gs are you sure about the Jasenovac? The Ustaše torched the camp to hide their crimes. After that it was completely leveled. To add, Tito never visited Jasenovac because he wanted the country to move on from the crimes of the Ustaše in the spirit of unity.
 
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BearCat204 said:
better burn dat **** down............WWJD
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Let me see... Jesus would invite and let them practice. There is no evidence that he would do the contrary. Actually, many scriptures about love that would suggest that he would do the opposite of what you wrote.
 
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Vols JD said:
Let me see... Jesus would invite and let them practice. There is no evidence that he would do the contrary. Actually, many scriptures about love that would suggest that he would do the opposite of what you wrote.
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Pro tip: the inability to pick up on sarcasm in this forum will really limit your enjoyment :hi:
 
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Burhead said:
The figures were in the book, The Three Yugoslavias: State-Building and Legitimation.

Gs are you sure about the Jasenovac? The Ustaše torched the camp to hide their crimes. After that it was completely leveled. To add, Tito never visited Jasenovac because he wanted the country to move on from the crimes of the Ustaše in the spirit of unity.
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You are talking to a guy that thinks that Slobodan Milosovic and Ratko Mladic were the good guys in the Bosnian crisis.
 
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emainvol said:
You are talking to a guy that thinks that Slobodan Milosovic and Ratko Mladic were the good guys in the Bosnian crisis.
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I know, everything I have researched shows that the camp was liberated and shut down in 1945.
 
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