Mooslims allowed to practice religion in TN!

[SamRebel35]

I get it, it's totally okay around here to demean homsexuals, Muslims, etc. but when you make a joke about something that is neither race nor culture specific, it's intolerant and racist. Good call guys.

I don't think it is ok to demean homosexuals or Muslims. I also don't think it is ok for a self appointed judge of racial and cultural tolerance to lob racially insensitive and personal insults at somebody simply because you disagree with them. And claiming that your "joke" has nothing to do with race or culture is laughable. Would you think that his wife was mail order if she was a tad more Caucasian? Anyways, I don't expect you to be able to see your own hypocracy, because you are really only interested in inflammatory speech and personal attacks.

 

[emainvol]

I don't think it is ok to demean homosexuals or Muslims. I also don't think it is ok for a self appointed judge of racial and cultural tolerance to lob racially insensitive and personal insults at somebody simply because you disagree with them. And claiming that your "joke" has nothing to do with race or culture is laughable. Would you think that his wife was mail order if she was a tad more Caucasian? Anyways, I don't expect you to be able to see your own hypocracy, because you are really only interested in inflammatory speech and personal attacks.

Would it matter? You are talking about a **** stirrer who has on many occasions tried to get under other posters' skin. Hell, in the last month he has talked about how he thinks a significant portion of the U.S. should be disenfranchised (**** stirring) then yesterday told me I was acting like a child (personal attack and trying to get under my skin) before I fired back. I happen to know what gets under his skin, and I said it. I may be an *******, but I am no racist.

 

[emainvol]

Oh yeah, and by the way, I have still yet to see anyone refute my claim that 615 took his points directly from an Eric Allen Bell article.

Edit: Before anyone gets up in arms, seeing as how Eric Allen Bell has made most, if not all of the same claims, that is going to be damn near impossible. I want to make sure everyone is on the same page when it comes to burden of proof.

So to start out, would someone like to show me where Imam Osama Bahloul ever refused to denounce terrorism?

 

[emainvol]

Oh by the way, here's something about the Board of Education in Rutherford county denying that Muslims are making demands of the schools. I assume that is what 615 was talking about when he said they were "pushing" for things.

Board of Education denies rumors about Muslim demands on The Murfreesboro Post

But hey, why believe the school board?

 

[emainvol]

While I'm at it, as for the body that was buried by members of the congregation, here's something that was probably ignored

Doug Demosi, the Rutherford County Regional Planning Commission Director, said Thursday the center had permission before interring the body and it doesn't appear any state regulations were violated.
"Generally, religious organizations are exempt from some rules," Demosi said.

 

[Professor Nono]

emainvol - you mention that "615 took his points directly from an Eric Allen Bell article." Are the points untrue or invalid?

 

[emainvol]

emainvol - you mention that "615 took his points directly from an Eric Allen Bell article." Are the points untrue or invalid?

If that is, in fact, the case (and considering he is a major source of these particular talking points, I would be shocked if 615 hadn't at least been exposed to EAB's work) then they certainly aren't credible. EAB wrote a series of hit pieces, and I feel very confident in saying that much of what he wrote either mischaracterized members of the ICM, brought up irrelevant points about those members, or was simply untrue. He is about as big a piece of **** as exists within the whacky-blog-o-sphere.

 

[gsvol]

It will not be a popular opinion on this message board, but yes, soldiers are legitimate targets for any resistance organization in my mind. It is when guerrilla fighters start adopting tactics that solely targets civilians or civilian infrastructure is when they cross the line into being a terrorist group.

Then you don't consider guerrilla fighters to be civilian themselves?

If radical islamists attacked every military base in America as well as targeting military personel in uniform anywhere they might be encountered, then you would consider that to be something you would condone?

Is targeting military personel when they are in an off duty situation also kosher with you?

After all they have stated their goal is the overthrow of the American government and the establishment of a sharia compliant rule.

You are greasing your own skids on a very slippery slope.

Rots of ruck, you FAIL!

Yeah, I am sure you strictly adhere to every piece of christian law. You must have missed the part about lying and loving thy neighbor

I don't have anything against rattlesnakes but I'm not letting one in my sleeping bag either.

ISLAM & DECEIT :: Reader comments at Daniel Pipes

Qur'an 25:63 says, "When Muslims are addressed by the ignorant they should reply, ‘PEACE.' This means when anyone who is ignorant of the terrible truth about Islamic law and history asks Muslims about Islam, they can be deluded into thinking that Islam is peaceful and tolerant. And ignorance, while it can be bliss, is in this case fatal.

Qur'an 3:28 "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, they shall have no they relation left with Allah; EXCEPT BY WAY OF PRECAUTION [TAQIYAH] THAT YOU MAY GUARD YOURSELVES [TUQATAN] FROM THEM. What that refers to is in cases where one has a choice, but in cases of fear and taqiyah it is permissible to make friends with them, as much as is essential to protect oneself against their evil. That is subject to the condition that one's faith should not be affected by that friendship and the one who is behaves in that manner out of necessity is not one who behaves in that manner out of choice.

Qur'an 5:41 "Whomever Allah wants to deceive you cannot help. Allah does not want them to know the truth because he intends to disgrace them in this world and then torture them in the next."
The Qur'an says that Allah is the best deceiver, the Lord of Deceit.

In Arabic: Wa Makaru wa makara Allah wa Allah Amkaru al Makireen.

These verses say that Allah "makara." The phrase of ‘Allah being the best deceiver' kheir al makarein is used. The Arabic word makara always means to deceive, scheme, or plot and defeating a victim by deceit. The person who is a Makir (Same form as the word Kafir) is sly, cunning, wily, a person who would outwit someone else to cause them harm. It means to trick, outwit and deceive for the purpose of overpowering and conquering the victim and it is always used in a negative sense. The word for scheming (makr) always means an act of deception for causing evil to another.

Damn dude, that's bigotry, are you saying that NEOCON is Mormon just because he has 27 wives?

NEOCON has you pegged to the hilt.

You're like a mad dog chasing his own tail.

 

[emainvol]

Gs, let's take the link you provided and examine it

first, Qu'ran 25:63

And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk upon the earth easily, and when the ignorant address them [harshly], they say [words of] peace,

Now, exactly how did the person who wrote that article come away with the translation he did. I really want to see this explanation.

 

[emainvol]

And I really want to know where this idea that I am waging some sort of attack on Christians is coming from. I have done no such thing. More examples of gsvol's inability to deal in reality.

 

[Gramps]

I don't follow the joke. Does NEO have a mail-order bride?

I believe Neo's wife is from the Philippines.

 

[Professor Nono]

If that is, in fact, the case (and considering he is a major source of these particular talking points, I would be shocked if 615 hadn't at least been exposed to EAB's work) then they certainly aren't credible. EAB wrote a series of hit pieces, and I feel very confident in saying that much of what he wrote either mischaracterized members of the ICM, brought up irrelevant points about those members, or was simply untrue. He is about as big a piece of **** as exists within the whacky-blog-o-sphere.

emainvol - I guess I could do the research but it sounds like you could put your hands on some specific examples of untruths that EAB has told? I don't want to get too picky but I guess the details are important here. Has the mosque sued EAB for slander or libel or something?

 

[Burhead]

Then you don't consider guerrilla fighters to be civilian themselves?

If radical islamists attacked every military base in America as well as targeting military personel in uniform anywhere they might be encountered, then you would consider that to be something you would condone?

Is targeting military personel when they are in an off duty situation also kosher with you?

After all they have stated their goal is the overthrow of the American government and the establishment of a sharia compliant rule.

You are greasing your own skids on a very slippery slope.

Rots of ruck, you FAIL!

1. No I don't consider members of a resistance or guerrilla group civilians any longer.

2. Again military targets are legitimate targets of any resistance movement. Would I like it? No, but how else would you defeat an occupation?

3. If they are in uniform and can be properly identified as a confirmed soldier they are fair game.

I'm not just talking about Hamas here, I'm talking any and all resistance group regardless of political or religious ties.

 

[Thrasher865]

I believe Neo's wife is from the Philippines.

Ugh. I always knew he outsourced American jobs, but that's too far!

 

[2ironVol]

We in murfreesboro do not wish to keep anyone from practicing their religion. We merely have questions abouthe new mosque and mosque leaders that no one wants to answer. We are not concerned with religious aspects of islam. We are ,however, concerned with the political aspirations of mosque leadership. We want to know why they are building a 53000 sq ft mosque when only 45 families are active in the mosque. We want to know why abdou kattih,the mosque treasure, once stated they didnt have the money to build but only a few months later they had more than enough donated. Where did the money come from? They wont tell. Also why wont he talk about his connections to the north american islamic trust which is a front group for the muslim brotherhood according to federal prosecutors. Why are they sending emails to the rutherford county school board demanding sharia compliance. Why does emam ossama mohamed bahloul condone sharia law. We want the truth about business connections between members of the mosque board and our mayor. Why did the mayor tell council members to ok construction quickly or else the city would be sued. Just a few of the many questions we have. Also why do mosque board members uphold hamas militants as heros on myspace and facebook? This has nothing to do with religious islam only political islam and da'wah(nonviolent jihad)

Why you think they need to answer those questions is beyond me. How often do evangelicals get asked those questions when they build their churches?

 

[Gramps]

Ugh. I always knew he outsourced American jobs, but that's too far!

He is planning on moving his company there, or was talking about it.

 

[2ironVol]

so the people attending this mosque were responsible for that or do you just assign guilt by (very flimsy) association?

Here's how it works for the far right, conservative: A plane is flown by terrorists into the WTC. Those terrorists are Muslim, therefore, we should be suspicious of ALL Muslims and their intentions when building new Mosques

 

[emainvol]

emainvol - I guess I could do the research but it sounds like you could put your hands on some specific examples of untruths that EAB has told? I don't want to get too picky but I guess the details are important here. Has the mosque sued EAB for slander or libel or something?

Some of the things that I have already sourced in this thread are points that he has touched on that are untrue. I don't really want to comment on some of the specifics written in his articles -- including potential legal action that I really don't know anything about -- out of respect for the privacy of those involved and affected.

 

[emainvol]

For those who asked, and this is just a small piece

from one of Bell's articles

Click the following link to discover firsthand, how Abdou Kattih of the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro is instructing the government funded public schools on how to provide special treatment- for its Muslim students.

If you would like to click that link, it is the exact literature that was sent to Rutherford County schools.

I find it hard to see what's wrong with any of what the literature contains.

What funny is Bell goes on to link the same literature three more times in his next paragraph.

Please click here and see for yourself the multipage instructions that Abdou Kattih sent the school, demanding that the schools become Sharia compliant. This “informative newsletter to distribute to the principles in the Rutherford county schools” was attached to an email to the School Board: From: Abdou Kattih Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 11:54 PM. (Feel free to download any of these documents, by the way).

Please explain to me how any of that "demands" anything of the schools. I have already linked the comments from the school board on this particular literature.

This is an example of the mischaracterization of mosque members and goals I talked about earlier.

 

[emainvol]

From Sally Wall, another mosque opponent

Sally Wall, a critic of the decision to approve the mosque, said Corlew's opinion was correct "because there was no due process."
She told CNN's "AC360" on Wednesday evening that the public knew nothing until "it was a done deal."
"It's not a matter of Islamophobia with me," Wall said. "The county government is supposed to operate in a particular way ... People who live in an area where a mosque or anything else is going to be built are supposed to have a right to say something about it."

And then this a few days ago

Sally Wall, one of the leading opponents of the mosque, said she wasn't surprised by the ruling and never thought her group would win the court case. She said she just wanted to show Muslims that they are not welcome in Murfreesboro.
Faced with the fact that the mosque is likely to be opening soon, Wall said she hopes it doesn't bring "1,000 to 2,000 Muslim families here."
She plans to keep up the fight, and said the controversy has drawn the community closer together.
"Everyone else feels the same way I do (about the mosque) except the 5% who moved here the day before yesterday," she said.

So which one is it? Is it not Islamophobia? Is it because they didn't know until it was a done deal?

Or is she against it because Muslims are not welcome in Murfreesboro and she doesn't want more Muslim families moving into Murfreesboro?

 

[gsvol]

Gs, let's take the link you provided and examine it

first, Qu'ran 25:63



Now, exactly how did the person who wrote that article come away with the translation he did. I really want to see this explanation.

I gave you the source of my translation, now you give me the source of yours.

While your at it do you dispute the translations of the following?

Yes Mr. President. We Know What The Holy Book of Quran Teaches, Do You?

In his Cairo Speech to the Muslim world, President Barack Obama said, "The holy Quran tells us... the holy Quran teaches..."


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The following are what the holy Quran teaches, but the President Obama know not:

Qur'an:9:88 "The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."

Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."

Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."

Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."

Qur'an:9:14 "Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."

Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."

Qur'an:9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."

Qur'an:9:123 "Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you."

Qur'an:8:72 "Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them – these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so." [Another translation reads:] "You are only called to protect Muslims, who fight."

Qur'an:48:16 "Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: 'You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture."

Qur'an:48:22 "If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah."

Qur'an:47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."

Qur'an:9:19 "Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah's Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah.

Qur'an:2:193 "Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers."

Qur'an:2:217 "They question you concerning fighting in the sacred month. Say: 'Fighting therein is a grave (matter); but to prevent access to Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, to expel its members, and polytheism are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they make you renegades from your religion. If any of you turn back and die in unbelief, your works will be lost and you will go to Hell. Surely those who believe and leave their homes to fight in Allah's Cause have the hope of Allah's mercy."

Qur'an:2:244 "Fight in Allah's Cause, and know that Allah hears and knows all."

Qur'an:2:246 "He said: 'Would you refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you?' They said: 'How could we refuse to fight in Allah's Cause?'"

Qur'an:3:146 "How many prophets fought in Allah's Cause? With them (fought) myriads of godly men who were slain. They never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah's Cause, nor did they weaken nor give in. Allah loves those who are firm and steadfast [warriors]."

Qur'an:3:153 "Behold! You ran off precipitately, climbing up the high hill without even casting a side glance at anyone, while the Messenger in your rear is calling you from your rear, urging you to fight. Allah gave you one distress after another by way of requital, to teach you not to grieve for the booty that had escaped you and for (the ill) that had befallen you."

Qur'an:3:154 "Say: 'Even if you had remained in your houses, those ordained to be slaughtered would have gone forth to the places where they were to slain."

Qur'an:61:4 "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His Cause."

Qur'an:61:11 "Believers, shall I lead you to a bargain or trade that will save you from a painful torment? That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive and fight in Allah's Cause with your property and your lives: That will be best for you!"

Qur'an 61:12 "He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens under which rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Eden: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement. And another (favor) which you love: help from Allah for a speedy victory over your enemies.

I'll bet you still dispute the fact that Barack Hussein Obama helped islamic sharia law being accepted in the Kenyan court system?

You probably didn't notice that moslems interutped church services in Kenya last week and killed 37 Christians?

And I really want to know where this idea that I am waging some sort of attack on Christians is coming from. I have done no such thing. More examples of gsvol's inability to deal in reality.

Well there are those little bon mots like; 'all Christians are hypocrites etc etc etc.

Your last post is just one more that illustrates how utterly unreal you are.

1. No I don't consider members of a resistance or guerrilla group civilians any longer.

2. Again military targets are legitimate targets of any resistance movement. Would I like it? No, but how else would you defeat an occupation?

3. If they are in uniform and can be properly identified as a confirmed soldier they are fair game.

I'm not just talking about Hamas here, I'm talking any and all resistance group regardless of political or religious ties.

1. So then if we can identify someone as an islamic jihadist then we would be justified in killing them on the spot anywhere on Earth?

2. B freaking S!

3. In America?

Is not al-Qaeda a resistance group? So you condemn all the suiciders of 9/11 except those who flew into the Pentagon?


Nidal Hassan was completly justified? You're sounding more and more like Barack Hussein Obama and Eric Holder every day.

 

[emainvol]

Gs, try to address a post without deflection, just once.

 

[emainvol]

Qur'an 28:63 "when addressed by the nonbeliever, reply 'Peace,' but keep your fingers crossed behind your back" said Allah with a snicker

 

[gsvol]

Here's how it works for the far right, conservative: A plane is flown by terrorists into the WTC. Those terrorists are Muslim, therefore, we should be suspicious of ALL Muslims and their intentions when building new Mosques

Traditionally moslems have built mosques on the foundations of destroyed churches or other sites they considered a conquered territory, that's why they wanted the ground zero mosque built as near as possible to the site of 9/11.

 

[PKT_VOL]

1. So then if we can identify someone as an islamic jihadist then we would be justified in killing them on the spot anywhere on Earth?

2. B freaking S!

3. In America?

Is not al-Qaeda a resistance group? So you condemn all the suiciders of 9/11 except those who flew into the Pentagon?

1) Yes, provided they are not US citizens. Then they are subjected to their rights.

2) Not BS.

3) Yes.