more class from the libs.

[gsvol]

I understand what you are saying, but like I said, it isn't the statement that he made as much as the opposition to the claim that Odinga promised to implement Sharia law.

Tick tock, are you convinced yet, or do you need more proof???????

You've as much as called me a liar on numerous occasions, now tell me just what else in this thread have I am wrong about it.

And don't waste my time with any more sissy crybaby PMs telling me what to do or not do, you've never seen the day nor will you ever, that you are my boss man, boss man.

Now what else do you want to question about Obama and Odinga's relationship or the political stance of Raila Odinga????

I have more.

The honorable thing for you to do is admit to the truth of this matter but first you have to admit that to yourself, a difficult task for someone to do who is in a state of denial.

 

[615 Vol]

gs, you sure are passionate about politics. You spend so much time in here, did you know that Tennessee fired Phillip Fulmer?

Seriously, I have to give you credit for being thorough.

 

[emainvol]

gsvol, simply put, you have nothing.

by the way, I can play the "impossible to verify digital documents game" too.

http://wikileaks.org/leak/kenya-ren...ional-muslim-leaders-forum-august-29-2007.pdf

at least the one I provided has a section for witness signatures, which I would think would be a pretty vital part of a document such as this.

 

[emainvol]

seriously though, do some of you guys sit around in tin foil hats listening to Coast to Coast AM and polishing your shotguns for when the liberal media tries to overrun your compound?

 

[Vol Mania 21]

i dont polish my shotgun, but i make sure its working from time to time

 

[hndog609]

seriously though, do some of you guys sit around in tin foil hats listening to Coast to Coast AM and polishing your shotguns for when the liberal media tries to overrun your compound?

No no, rifles are a MUCH better option in that scenario.

 

[emainvol]

i dont polish my shotgun, but i make sure its working from time to time

Did you legally change your middle name to "hate crime?"

 

[gsvol]

gs, you sure are passionate about politics. You spend so much time in here, did you know that Tennessee fired Phillip Fulmer?

Seriously, I have to give you credit for being thorough.

I know they fired Phil, do they regret it yet??

Two recruiting violations already?? That's twice what Phil had in 17 years isn't it??? (not including the many years he spent as an assistant.)

One reprimand from the SEC?? That equals Phil's total for 17 years and Phil was sanctioned for criticism of officials and I think it is reprehensible that coaches are totally muzzled when it comes to comments about shoddy officiating and leaves the door open for organized gambling to get their foot in the door.

If you recall the movie, "any given Sunday", well they lifted that from a book written by a Vandy and Cowboy lineman and the focus of the book was on that very possibility, the movie though avoided that topic altogether.

Time will tell the story of Kiffin and company, I am of course hoping for the best.

Thank you for the compliment sir.

In times past I've been complimented for my passion and thoroughness by several who resemble all the attractive avatars you see used on Vol Nation boards!! :yes:

Those were the days my friend,
we thought they would never end.

Give me another bump and I'll tell you some stories you might find entertaining.

Here is a fairly short thread in which you may be interested.

 

[truefan]

I know they fired Phil, do they regret it yet??

Two recruiting violations already?? That's twice what Phil had in 17 years isn't it??? (not including the many years he spent as an assistant.)

One reprimand from the SEC?? That equals Phil's total for 17 years and Phil was sanctioned for criticism of officials and I think it is reprehensible that coaches are totally muzzled when it comes to comments about shoddy officiating and leaves the door open for organized gambling to get their foot in the door.

If you recall the movie, "any given Sunday", well they lifted that from a book written by a Vandy and Cowboy lineman and the focus of the book was on that very possibility, the movie though avoided that topic altogether.

Time will tell the story of Kiffin and company, I am of course hoping for the best.

Thank you for the compliment sir.

In times past I've been complimented for my passion and thoroughness by several who resemble all the attractive avatars you see used on Vol Nation boards!! :yes:

Those were the days my friend,
we thought they would never end.

Give me another bump and I'll tell you some stories you might find entertaining.

Here is a fairly short thread in which you may be interested.

As I said in an earlier thread. You need to read and research a little better on a number of subjects.

There have been secondary violations, as these were, during Fulmer's tenure. Maybe not necessarily related to recruiting, but there have been violations.

No...no one is regretting the decision. Fulmer needed to go. I suppose you feel otherwise???

 

[gsvol]

gsvol, simply put, you have nothing.

by the way, I can play the "impossible to verify digital documents game" too.

http://wikileaks.org/leak/kenya-ren...ional-muslim-leaders-forum-august-29-2007.pdf

at least the one I provided has a section for witness signatures, which I would think would be a pretty vital part of a document such as this.

We'll see whether this is possible to verify or not.

So you admit to everything I've posted except you doubt the authenticity of the documents? Is that correct???

First of all, I'm not playing games.

I have no idea of what diversionary crappola document you may have linked, I don't do pdf for one thing.

You certainly have done nothing to disprove the authenticity of the document I produced for you other than quoting some iman as quoted in the BBC denying that he and Odinga had an agreement, did he also deny the riots that left a thousand dead and hundreds of thousands displaced????

Eight hundred churches damaged or destroyed while no mosques were harmed??

You don't deny that Odinga used muslim outrage to gain the position of Prime Minister of Kenya??

You don't deny Obama supported the Odinga campaign??

You don't deny that Odinga has offspring named Fidel and Winnie??

You don't deny that Moamar Qadafi proclaimed Obama to be a Muslim on the Arab news network??

You don't deny that Barrack Hussein Mohammed Obama and the son of Moamar Qadafi were the top two contributors to the Odinga campaign money wise??

You don't deny that Odinga is a lifelong radical marxist as was his father before him???

You don't deny that Barack Hussein Obama said in one of his books that one of his proudest moments was when his brother converted to Islam and that his brother is a radical in Kenya who advocates black liberation theology???


I'm just getting warmed up, I'm interested any of the above statements that you want to deny as true and;or debate.

Now, debate the topic, if you are able or admit what I am saying is the truth.

seriously though, do some of you guys sit around in tin foil hats listening to Coast to Coast AM and polishing your shotguns for when the liberal media tries to overrun your compound?

Way to go, you have just proven Joey's point beyond any reasonable doubt. :whatever:

As I said in an earlier thread. You need to read and research a little better on a number of subjects.

Be more specific and you might do better to address your own obvious need little pard.

There have been secondary violations, as these were, during Fulmer's tenure. Maybe not necessarily related to recruiting, but there have been violations.

Whoopee!!

No...no one is regretting the decision. Fulmer needed to go. I suppose you feel otherwise???

Five, ten or twenty years down the road we'll see whether there are regrets or not.

 

[truefan]

I was just thinking how pathetic it is for a guy(joevols), who continuously refers to POTUS by his middle name because it is the same name of a deceased former Middle East dictator, can judge anyone of classless behavior.

You either have to be the dumbest SOB in the world or the biggest redneck

 

[emainvol]

I haven't denied the veracity of many of your claims, only the relevance. However, if you are not going to pay attention to the evidence I provide, then I have no interest in continuing with you.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

When are you moving to your socialistic dreamworld of Sweden?

 

[emainvol]

When are you moving to your socialistic dreamworld of Sweden?

When the average IQ on the Politics Forum hits triple digits.

 

[emainvol]

Just for the record, the Mohammed thing is bunk.

I am sure there are those that think PoliFact is a commie organization though.

PolitiFact | No Muhammed or Mohammed in Obama's name

 

[OrangeEmpire]

When the average IQ on the Politics Forum hits triple digits.

Every one leave!

 

[gsvol]

I was just thinking how pathetic it is for a guy(joevols), who continuously refers to POTUS by his middle name because it is the same name of a deceased former Middle East dictator, can judge anyone of classless behavior.

You either have to be the dumbest SOB in the world or the biggest redneck

Say what???

His name is Barak Hussein Obama.

You want to deny his arab muslim heritage?

Wouldn't that be unpc to ignore the obvious?

"Younger fellows tend to be more liberal, turning conservative as they grow older. Living is an education, and as you have experiences and continue your education, your recommendations for the future become a plea to save the best of the past.
That's why most young boys and younger men are not yet ready to preserve anything."
Elijah Coleman

I haven't denied the veracity of many of your claims, only the relevance.

You question the veracity of just what??

You don't think it is relevant that a US senator committed treason under US law and is now POTUS and may indeed form a foreign policy in the name of the US government and the American people that may resemble in any way his reprehensible work in Kenya???

What pray tell do you think is relevant???

When I said "the term "Arab-American" would be more accurate." (than Afro-American) you said "no." Then you said "prove it." Which I did.

Then you said that Ghadafi claiming Obama was a muslim didn't make him a muslim.

What then do you think of the fact that Ghadafi's son and Barack Obama were the top two monetary supporters of the Odinga political campaign??

Egyptian cleric Hassan Abu Al-Ashbal also proclaimed Barry to be muslim and and Abu Al-Assbal is no small fry run of the mill Islamist!!!

Then you claimed Obama and Odinga were not related, you were wrong again.

You produced some dumbass snopes take on Kenyan politics, snopes has a history of carrying water for Gore and Kerry, believe their propaganda if you want, that sure doesn't make it so.

Then you claimed Obama's links to Ayers were overstated, one of your more laughable claims, they have been totally understated throughout this whole episode.

You finally admitted that Obama did indeed make appearances to aid the campaign of Odinga, thank God for small favors, but you said I was right about one thing, which again gives rise to my question what have I been wrong about???

You told Joe that Obama produced his birth certificate, that's a lie I didn't get into but you were wrong again.

Obama's campaign released a photocopy of a birth certificate, not the actual document. That's an immaterial argument anyway, his mother was a citizen so he is a citizen, even though his formative years were spent in muslim Indonesia being raised in a muslim family.

BTW, Kerry never produced his military record in full, never!

(you need to stop running over to the nearest marxist book store when doing your fact checking if you really want to know the truth.)

The St Pete Times quoted some nutcase on the flight 800 shoot down also and that was yet another Clinton cover up.

ARAP on TWA flight 800.

If you to actually examine the facts yourself you would be with the other 80% who believe that TWA flight 800 was downed by a shoulder fired missile.

More interesting info on that case.

Do I see a pattern here??

Maybe we'll get around to discussing NOI members working as Obama employees and Holder's complicity in the OKC bombing cover up??

Then you disappeared for a couple of weeks.
(while we held premature mardi gras celebrations.)

You say I can't prove Odinga is a muslim, I never said he was a muslim, he is a hard core marxist who made a pact with the muslims, which is the truth.

Then you quote BBC quoting the muslim leader lying and saying there was no such pact. So what?? He was lying. Do you understand the meaning of 'taqqiya'??
Everyone should understand that.

I was just thinking how pathetic it is for a guy(joevols), who continuously refers to POTUS by his middle name because it is the same name of a deceased former Middle East dictator, can judge anyone of classless behavior.

You either have to be the dumbest SOB in the world or the biggest redneck

He could be saying that to point out the arab muslim heritage of Barrysan.

"We are being challenged by Islam these years - globally as well as locally. It is a challenge we have to take seriously. We have let this issue float about for too long because we are tolerant and lazy. We have to show our opposition to Islam and we have to, at times, run the risk of having unflattering labels placed on us because there are some things for which we should display no tolerance. And when we are tolerant, we must know whether it is because of convenience or conviction”.

Queen Margrethe II of Denmark, 15 April 2005.


"To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a child."
Cicero

When the average IQ on the Politics Forum hits triple digits.

Getting yours into double digits would help our overall average.

Grammar challenged, among other things: "Well, there is no very good approach because, frankly, a philosophy of let the private market do whatever it wants, don't regulate capital, keep capital -- keep the, the government out of it -- Alan Greenspan acknowledged, the leader of that philosophy, it caused a lot of problems. And we now have to try and fix them." --Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA)

However, if you are not going to pay attention to the evidence I provide, then I have no interest in continuing with you.

Evidence of w what?? My computer is not pdf capable.

Here is a public announcement of the Odinga-muslim deal.

Scroll down and play the video.

Satisfied now??

When are you moving to your socialistic dreamworld of Sweden?

lol:

I have a Norwegian friend who loves to call the Swedes sissies because they put up no opposition to Hitler.

The European Union game plan isn't working btw!!

 

[KingNick865]

Say what???

His name is Barak Hussein Obama.

You want to deny his arab muslim heritage?

Wouldn't that be unpc to ignore the obvious?

"Younger fellows tend to be more liberal, turning conservative as they grow older. Living is an education, and as you have experiences and continue your education, your recommendations for the future become a plea to save the best of the past.
That's why most young boys and younger men are not yet ready to preserve anything."
Elijah Coleman



You question the veracity of just what??

You don't think it is relevant that a US senator committed treason under US law and is now POTUS and may indeed form a foreign policy in the name of the US government and the American people that may resemble in any way his reprehensible work in Kenya???

What pray tell do you think is relevant???

When I said "the term "Arab-American" would be more accurate." (than Afro-American) you said "no." Then you said "prove it." Which I did.

Then you said that Ghadafi claiming Obama was a muslim didn't make him a muslim.

What then do you think of the fact that Ghadafi's son and Barack Obama were the top two monetary supporters of the Odinga political campaign??

Egyptian cleric Hassan Abu Al-Ashbal also proclaimed Barry to be muslim and and Abu Al-Assbal is no small fry run of the mill Islamist!!!

Then you claimed Obama and Odinga were not related, you were wrong again.

You produced some dumbass snopes take on Kenyan politics, snopes has a history of carrying water for Gore and Kerry, believe their propaganda if you want, that sure doesn't make it so.

Then you claimed Obama's links to Ayers were overstated, one of your more laughable claims, they have been totally understated throughout this whole episode.

You finally admitted that Obama did indeed make appearances to aid the campaign of Odinga, thank God for small favors, but you said I was right about one thing, which again gives rise to my question what have I been wrong about???

You told Joe that Obama produced his birth certificate, that's a lie I didn't get into but you were wrong again.

Obama's campaign released a photocopy of a birth certificate, not the actual document. That's an immaterial argument anyway, his mother was a citizen so he is a citizen, even though his formative years were spent in muslim Indonesia being raised in a muslim family.

BTW, Kerry never produced his military record in full, never!

(you need to stop running over to the nearest marxist book store when doing your fact checking if you really want to know the truth.)

The St Pete Times quoted some nutcase on the flight 800 shoot down also and that was yet another Clinton cover up.

ARAP on TWA flight 800.

If you to actually examine the facts yourself you would be with the other 80% who believe that TWA flight 800 was downed by a shoulder fired missile.

More interesting info on that case.

Do I see a pattern here??

Maybe we'll get around to discussing NOI members working as Obama employees and Holder's complicity in the OKC bombing cover up??

Then you disappeared for a couple of weeks.
(while we held premature mardi gras celebrations.)

You say I can't prove Odinga is a muslim, I never said he was a muslim, he is a hard core marxist who made a pact with the muslims, which is the truth.

Then you quote BBC quoting the muslim leader lying and saying there was no such pact. So what?? He was lying. Do you understand the meaning of 'taqqiya'??
Everyone should understand that.




He could be saying that to point out the arab muslim heritage of Barrysan.

"We are being challenged by Islam these years - globally as well as locally. It is a challenge we have to take seriously. We have let this issue float about for too long because we are tolerant and lazy. We have to show our opposition to Islam and we have to, at times, run the risk of having unflattering labels placed on us because there are some things for which we should display no tolerance. And when we are tolerant, we must know whether it is because of convenience or conviction”.

Queen Margrethe II of Denmark, 15 April 2005.


"To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a child."
Cicero



Getting yours into double digits would help our overall average.

Grammar challenged, among other things: "Well, there is no very good approach because, frankly, a philosophy of let the private market do whatever it wants, don't regulate capital, keep capital -- keep the, the government out of it -- Alan Greenspan acknowledged, the leader of that philosophy, it caused a lot of problems. And we now have to try and fix them." --Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA)






Evidence of w what?? My computer is not pdf capable.

Here is a public announcement of the Odinga-muslim deal.

Scroll down and play the video.

Satisfied now??





lol:

I have a Norwegian friend who loves to call the Swedes sissies because they put up no opposition to Hitler.

The European Union game plan isn't working btw!!

beep beep

 

[truefan]

Say what???

His name is Barak Hussein Obama.

You want to deny his arab muslim heritage?

Wouldn't that be unpc to ignore the obvious?

"Younger fellows tend to be more liberal, turning conservative as they grow older. Living is an education, and as you have experiences and continue your education, your recommendations for the future become a plea to save the best of the past.
That's why most young boys and younger men are not yet ready to preserve anything."
Elijah Coleman



You question the veracity of just what??

You don't think it is relevant that a US senator committed treason under US law and is now POTUS and may indeed form a foreign policy in the name of the US government and the American people that may resemble in any way his reprehensible work in Kenya???

What pray tell do you think is relevant???

When I said "the term "Arab-American" would be more accurate." (than Afro-American) you said "no." Then you said "prove it." Which I did.

Then you said that Ghadafi claiming Obama was a muslim didn't make him a muslim.

What then do you think of the fact that Ghadafi's son and Barack Obama were the top two monetary supporters of the Odinga political campaign??

Egyptian cleric Hassan Abu Al-Ashbal also proclaimed Barry to be muslim and and Abu Al-Assbal is no small fry run of the mill Islamist!!!

Then you claimed Obama and Odinga were not related, you were wrong again.

You produced some dumbass snopes take on Kenyan politics, snopes has a history of carrying water for Gore and Kerry, believe their propaganda if you want, that sure doesn't make it so.

Then you claimed Obama's links to Ayers were overstated, one of your more laughable claims, they have been totally understated throughout this whole episode.

You finally admitted that Obama did indeed make appearances to aid the campaign of Odinga, thank God for small favors, but you said I was right about one thing, which again gives rise to my question what have I been wrong about???

You told Joe that Obama produced his birth certificate, that's a lie I didn't get into but you were wrong again.

Obama's campaign released a photocopy of a birth certificate, not the actual document. That's an immaterial argument anyway, his mother was a citizen so he is a citizen, even though his formative years were spent in muslim Indonesia being raised in a muslim family.

BTW, Kerry never produced his military record in full, never!

(you need to stop running over to the nearest marxist book store when doing your fact checking if you really want to know the truth.)

The St Pete Times quoted some nutcase on the flight 800 shoot down also and that was yet another Clinton cover up.

ARAP on TWA flight 800.

If you to actually examine the facts yourself you would be with the other 80% who believe that TWA flight 800 was downed by a shoulder fired missile.

More interesting info on that case.

Do I see a pattern here??

Maybe we'll get around to discussing NOI members working as Obama employees and Holder's complicity in the OKC bombing cover up??

Then you disappeared for a couple of weeks.
(while we held premature mardi gras celebrations.)

You say I can't prove Odinga is a muslim, I never said he was a muslim, he is a hard core marxist who made a pact with the muslims, which is the truth.

Then you quote BBC quoting the muslim leader lying and saying there was no such pact. So what?? He was lying. Do you understand the meaning of 'taqqiya'??
Everyone should understand that.




He could be saying that to point out the arab muslim heritage of Barrysan.

"We are being challenged by Islam these years - globally as well as locally. It is a challenge we have to take seriously. We have let this issue float about for too long because we are tolerant and lazy. We have to show our opposition to Islam and we have to, at times, run the risk of having unflattering labels placed on us because there are some things for which we should display no tolerance. And when we are tolerant, we must know whether it is because of convenience or conviction”.

Queen Margrethe II of Denmark, 15 April 2005.


"To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a child."
Cicero



Getting yours into double digits would help our overall average.

Grammar challenged, among other things: "Well, there is no very good approach because, frankly, a philosophy of let the private market do whatever it wants, don't regulate capital, keep capital -- keep the, the government out of it -- Alan Greenspan acknowledged, the leader of that philosophy, it caused a lot of problems. And we now have to try and fix them." --Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA)






Evidence of w what?? My computer is not pdf capable.

Here is a public announcement of the Odinga-muslim deal.

Scroll down and play the video.

Satisfied now??





lol:

I have a Norwegian friend who loves to call the Swedes sissies because they put up no opposition to Hitler.

The European Union game plan isn't working btw!!

The absurdity in trying to explain why a dolt like JoeVols uses Hussein so often is mind numbing.

Since when did it become practice to refer to individuals by their middle name?

You know why he does it. I know why he does it. Anyone with half a brain knows why does.

 

[joevol320]

The absurdity in trying to explain why a dolt like JoeVols uses Hussein so often is mind numbing.

Since when did it become practice to refer to individuals by their middle name?

You know why he does it. I know why he does it. Anyone with half a brain knows why does.

such anger coming from a "moderate" openminded person. hussein is his middle name, nothing wrong with calling him that.

 

[emainvol]

gs, do you know what the word substantive means?

I am still trying to figure out why snopes is any worse than Atlus Shrugged (the blog) and the multitude of conspiracy theory pages that you cite.

 

[truefan]

such anger coming from a "moderate" openminded person. hussein is his middle name, nothing wrong with calling him that.

There is no anger. You didn't see me whining during the Bush presidency nor will I do so in this one. You, on the other hand, would claim the sky was not blue if Obama made such an obvious claim.

Everyone on here knows why you do it. Only a true blue redneck would think it is funny to continue to do it. Even worse, you try to make the mindless argument it is ok to call people by their middle name. Would you be calling him Joe if it were his middle name?

 

[gsvol]

beep beep

Save your Spiderman comic books, they will be worth lots of money some day.

gs, do you know what the word substantive means?

Yes.

Did you watch the video of the news conference in Kenya, announcing the marxis/muslim pact????

I thought that might be substantive enough to convince you.

Whether or not there was such a pact was our only bone of contention, right???

Look what happened after Odinga lost the election, using the false claim of election fraud, (ala al-Gore) rioting was encouraged and a lot of harm was done to innocent people and set the whole of the country back and Odinga used that rage to procure power under false pretenses.

Obama supported that man and his cause, are you sure that is what you yourself really stand for and want to happen in the world in the future??

BTW, Louis Farrakhan promised us there would be bloodshed if Obama was 'cheated' out of victory and furthermore Obama has in the past and probably still does, employ NOI members on his staff.


I think it was John Adams who said beware of mob rule, it will lead to tyranny.

I am still trying to figure out why snopes is any worse than Atlus Shrugged (the blog) and the multitude of conspiracy theory pages that you cite.

"You know the one thing that's wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say."
Bill Clinton

"To hell with the news. I'm no longer interested in news.
I'm interested in causes. We don't print the truth.
We don't pretend to print the truth..."
--former Washington Post (aka Pravda on the Potomac) executive editor Ben Bradlee

On Feb. 3, 2009, Clinton's former asst Attorney General, Eric Holder, an immigrant from Barbados, was confirmed by the US Senate as the new Attorney General by a vote of 75-21.

The Wall Street Journal has added its voice to those - in and out of government - who have concluded the circumstantial evidence linking Saddam Hussein’s Iraq to the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the 1993 first World Trade Center bombing, as well as the 9-11 attacks, is overwhelming.

Former CIA Director James Woolsey also expresses skepticism that Timothy McVeigh, executed for the Oklahoma City bombing, and his accomplice Terry Nichols, sentenced to life in prison and awaiting further trial on murder charges, could have planned and executed this monstrous crime all by themselves.

Woolsey believes the work of persistent investigators, reporter Jayna Davis and Middle East expert Laurie Mylroie, are onto something, as many clues in their separate probes point ominously toward Baghdad.

"When the full stories of these two incidents [Oklahoma City and the first Trade Center bombing] are finally told,” he told the Journal, "those who permitted the investigations to stop short (read Eric Holder was a major player!!) will owe big explanations to these two brave women. And the nation will owe them a debt of gratitude.”

In a lengthy carefully worded Sept. 5 op-ed piece, Wall Street Journal senior editorial page writer Micah Morrison says while the information to date stops short of "conclusive evidence” the Iraqi dictator was implicated in the attacks on the Trade Center or the federal building in Oklahoma City, "there is quite a bit of smoke curling up from the various routes to Baghdad…”

That the Wall Street Journal is taking a serious look at the "Iraq connection” is significant if for no other reason than the fact that this Dow Jones icon of business journalism is not noted for an addiction to wild conspiracy theories.

But the WSJ is by no means alone. Other mainstream publications have recently weighed in with similar observations.

"Our position is: Congress should hold hearings on evidence of previous Iraqi connections to terror,” editorialized the Indianapolis Star Sept. 7.

"In the Oklahoma City case,” the paper added, "[Jayna] Davis painstakingly reviewed telephone records that indicate Terry Nichols contacted Iraqi intelligence in the Philippines to acquire bomb-making expertise.”

Two weeks earlier, Star editorial writer James Patterson wrote that Indiana Rep. Dan Burton’s House Government Reform Committee had spent some of the August congressional recess "sniffing around” Oklahoma City looking for reasons to believe that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols had help.

"They found plenty,” Patterson reported.

Committee staff interviewed at least six people who claimed they saw McVeigh keeping company with "foreign-looking men” in the days, "even minutes” prior to the blast at the Murrah federal building that killed 168 innocents on April 19, 1995.

Apparently, the committee’s interest was aroused in part by David Schippers, the Chicago lawyer hired in 1998 as chief investigative counsel for the House Judiciary Committee’s work in the impeachment of then-President Bill Clinton. According to Patterson, Schippers "has been traversing the country” citing Davis’s investigative work in the case.

Yet another credible voice has been added to the chorus of those who do not believe the execution of McVeigh and the sentencing of Nichols neatly added up to "case closed.” Larry Johnson, former deputy director of the State Department’s Office of Counter-Terrorism has told TV audiences that his suspicions in the case were confirmed by "his own deeply held law enforcement contacts” (Patterson’s description). Further, Johnson is convinced the Middle East terrorist cell that carried out the bombing is still in business.

Jayna Davis

Laurie Mylroie


Salt Lake City Tribune Sunday, November 09, 2008:

The FBI is appealing an order that allows a Utah attorney to conduct taped depositions of Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols and a death-row inmate.

Salt Lake City lawyer Jesse Trentadue believes that the two inmates have valuable information about his brother's death in a federal prison - and about the FBI's alleged withholding of many of the relevant documents requested in his Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) suit.

Authorities say the August 1995 death of Kenneth Trentadue in a cell at an Oklahoma City federal prison was a suicide, but the inmate's family believes he was mistaken for a bombing conspirator and that guards strangled him with a set of plastic handcuffs in an interrogation that got out of hand.

To support that theory, Jesse Trentadue has filed three FOIA lawsuits. As part of one of those suits, he requested an order allowing the depositions from Nichols and David Paul Hammer, who now is on death row at the federal penitentiary at Terre Haute, Ind.

Lawyers for the FBI objected, saying the agency has made appropriate searches for documents.

U.S. District Judge Dale Kimball granted Trentadue's request last year. He reaffirmed that order in September after the FBI asked him to reconsider.

On Tuesday, nov. 4 the FBI filed a notice that it is asking the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver to reverse the order.

The body of Kenneth Trentadue, who had served time for bank robbery and was being held on an alleged parole violation, was found hanging in his cell on Aug. 21, 1995.

Nichols and Hammer already have supplied Jesse Trentadue with written affidavits concerning Timothy McVeigh, who carried out the bombing and was executed in 2001.

Nichols - who is serving a life sentence at the U.S. Penitentiary Administrative Maximum Facility in Florence, Colo. - claims a high-ranking FBI official "apparently" was directing McVeigh in the plot. Both Nichols and Hammer, who says he had lengthy conversations with McVeigh while the two were both housed at the Terre Haute facility, say McVeigh claimed to be an undercover operative for the military.

The FBI has denied any role in the bombing.

Who would have you believe the Oklahoma City Federal Building bombing was the work of 'white supremacists', Barrack Hussein Obama, Eric Holder, the Imam of the largest mosque in Chicago and probably Hillary Clinton and her tin foil hat statements about the 'vast right wing conspiracy."

Thirty questions.

Now come back to me with some substantive material!!!

“The problem was with Bill Clinton, the scandals and rumored scandals, the incubating ones and the dying
ones never ended. Whatever moral compass the president was consulting was leading him in the wrong direction. His closets were full of skeletons just waiting to burst out.”
Louis Freeh. former FBI Director (appointed by Bubba)

 

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Now come back to me with some substantive material!!!

Why? So you can either a) conveniently not be capable of reading it or b) copy and paste yet another article from some whackjob and then accuse me of being clueless because my sources aren't up to your specs?

 

[emainvol]

so gs, you do know that the video you provided is talking about the document that I linked right?