more class from the libs.

[KentheOrange]

The absurdity in trying to explain why a dolt like JoeVols uses Hussein so often is mind numbing.

Since when did it become practice to refer to individuals by their middle name?

You know why he does it. I know why he does it. Anyone with half a brain knows why does.

Too easy to hit this one out of the park. Would probably get me a two week vacation from VN to boot.

 

[KB5252]

The absurdity in trying to explain why a dolt like JoeVols uses Hussein so often is mind numbing.

Since when did it become practice to refer to individuals by their middle name?

You know why he does it. I know why he does it. Anyone with half a brain knows why does.

True, but another reason is that he likes getting under your skin when doing it, he seems to be successful at it too.

For the record I think using the middle name says more about him than anything, I don't care for Obama's policies but there are certainly more mature ways to express any differences you have with our POTUS.

 

[truefan]

True, but another reason is that he likes getting under your skin when doing it, he seems to be successful at it too.
For the record I think using the middle name says more about him than anything, I don't care for Obama's policies but there are certainly more mature ways to express any differences you have with our POTUS.

Then he is being stupid. BPV doesn't like it either.

 

[truefan]

Too easy to hit this one out of the park. Would probably get me a two week vacation from VN to boot.

Oh, man. Got to live on the edge sometimes. Somehow, I think the mod might give you a pass on this one. If he doesn't, what is two weeks anyway? I have been hit with a ban on two different occasions right after being warned:crazy:

 

[KentheOrange]

Oh, man. Got to live on the edge sometimes. Somehow, I think the mod might give you a pass on this one. If he doesn't, what is two weeks anyway? I have been hit with a ban on two different occasions right after being warned:crazy:

Two weeks is a long time and I don't even buy green bananas anymore.

 

[gsvol]

Why? So you can either a) conveniently not be capable of reading it or b) copy and paste yet another article from some whackjob and then accuse me of being clueless because my sources aren't up to your specs?

No way you are clueless, I've given you too many clues.

In my last post I quoted the Congressional Record, the Wall Street Journal, the Indianapolis Star, a quote from a past executive editor of the Washington Post, the Salt Lake City Tribune and a former director of both the FBI and the CIA.

The only blog in the last post was of the lady lauded by a past director of the CIA.

If you want to call all of those 'whackjob' then what's the point of trying to communicate with someone who has his head stuck so far where the sun doesn't shine that there is no possibility of seeing the light??

Snopes that!!!

so gs, you do know that the video you provided is talking about the document that I linked right?

No, I've told you twice that my computer is not PDF enabled. Tell me what your documents say.

Whether there was a signed document that is verifiable or not is immaterial to certain facts which you cannot deny;

1) Obama and the Libyan Ghadafi family (muslim dictators who among other crimes gave sanctuary to the blood thirsty Idi Amin) were two of the top supporters of Raila Odinga in Kenya. (and continue to do the same.)

2) Raila Odinga used false claims of election fraud to instigate rageful muslim rioting in order to a gain high station in the Kenyan government.

I ask you again, is this what you personally stand for or not??

Perhaps we can reach an agreement on these known facts and move on, perhaps not.

True, but another reason is that he likes getting under your skin when doing it, he seems to be successful at it too.

For the record I think using the middle name says more about him than anything, I don't care for Obama's policies but there are certainly more mature ways to express any differences you have with our POTUS.

He does love to agitate and there is always a strong element of immaturity evident on message boards, sadly too much of that comes from people who should be old enough to know better.

I don't find it hard to understand that a lot of people are disappointed to say the least in the media's coverage of the past election, in that the media glossed over Obama's obvious arabic and muslim background as well as his long association with marxists extremists.

With Wall Street backing, the media seemed to have used a Madison Street approach of selling the American people a golden boy product.

It worked.

Night before last I dined out and ran into the local newspaper owner and editor that I hadn't seen since Christmas Eve.

He is a New Jersey liberal with a strong bias in favor of the democrat party but he is still worth some intelligent conversation, has a sense of humor and isn't a bad guy.

Just for the fun of it I brought up the topic of truth in reporting and asked him why was it one year that when he reported election results he printed the names of a whole bunch who got zero votes, and the one vote for the communist party candidates Gus Hall and Angela Davis but didn't print my vote for Pat Paulsen and Foster Brooks??

He said that election commissions don't report votes anymore if they aren't legally qualified to be on the ballot, basically because they had been so many votes for Mickey Mouse. (there goes the power of the pen)

(Actually one year I wrote in Mickey Mouse and Mighty Mouse instead of Pat and Foster myself)

He was lying though, the election I was talking about was before they changed the rules.

 

[gsvol]

The absurdity in trying to explain why a dolt like JoeVols uses Hussein so often is mind numbing.

Since when did it become practice to refer to individuals by their middle name?

You know why he does it. I know why he does it. Anyone with half a brain knows why does.

So why does he do it??

You would come off as being a bit more intellectually
superior as most liberals consider themselves if you
weren't into calling Joe a dolt! :no:

Barry can say Hussein, you can too, say it;
Hoooosayn,
there, I'll bet you feel better now!

Two weeks is a long
time and I don't even buy green bananas anymore.

 

[emainvol]

No, I've told you twice that my computer is not PDF enabled. Tell me what your documents say.

Whether there was a signed document that is verifiable or not is immaterial to certain facts which you cannot deny;

1) Obama and the Libyan Ghadafi family (muslim dictators who among other crimes gave sanctuary to the blood thirsty Idi Amin) were two of the top supporters of Raila Odinga in Kenya. (and continue to do the same.)

2) Raila Odinga used false claims of election fraud to instigate rageful muslim rioting in order to a gain high station in the Kenyan government.

I ask you again, is this what you personally stand for or not??

Perhaps we can reach an agreement on these known facts and move on, perhaps not.

First off, here. Adobe - Adobe Reader download - All versions

Second, the video is about a document that is completely different from the one you posted. The difference? It is the document that I linked.

Third, the rest is immaterial. This is about the MoU. If you want to throw up screens and try to win your argument that way, that's fine. However, I don't play that game.

 

[thagodfather]

I've never bought that BS line of thought. By that logic, nobody should have booed Fulmer because it would be an affront to Neyland. They're taunting a marble mouthed mental invalid, not the office of the presidency.

hardly an accurate description. obama's presidency will make bush's look alot better four years from now.

 

[thagodfather]

I have no problem separating the man from the office. I see no affront to the Presidency in getting after the man who has done more damage to the standing of the office than Richard Nixon, Herbert Hoover, or Warren G. Harding combined. To me, the disrespect to the office was that Bush ever held it.

while i don't agree with bush on everything and he made many mistakes, i believe his presidency wasn't near the failure as it is being made out to be.

 

[Vol Mania 21]

i agree w/ the godfather.

 

[gsvol]

First off, here. Adobe - Adobe Reader download - All versions

Second, the video is about a document that is completely different from the one you posted. The difference? It is the document that I linked.

Third, the rest is immaterial. This is about the MoU. If you want to throw up screens and try to win your argument that way, that's fine. However, I don't play that game.

Look I'm not going to load adobe, I already have too many bells and whistles, that's why I removed it in the first place.

Just tell me what you're talking about.

So you think it is immaterial that Obama avidly supported Odinga in Kenya????

 

[emainvol]

Look I'm not going to load adobe, I already have too many bells and whistles, that's why I removed it in the first place.

Just tell me what you're talking about.

So you think it is immaterial that Obama avidly supported Odinga in Kenya????

I'll write a short summary when I get time this weekend.

I feel that anything about Obama is immaterial to a discussion regarding the MoU
Posted via VolNation Mobile

 

[KingNick865]

hardly an accurate description. obama's presidency will make bush's look alot better four years from now.

 

[gsvol]

I'll write a short summary when I get time this weekend.

I feel that anything about Obama is immaterial to a discussion regarding the MoU
Posted via VolNation Mobile

Then leave me out of it, how about Obama, the Ghadafi family, Odinga and Kenyan politics?

Any conclusions on your part??

 

[emainvol]

Then leave me out of it, how about Obama, the Ghadafi family, Odinga and Kenyan politics?

Any conclusions on your part??

For the last time, I don't care about the Ghadafi family, and Obama has nothing to do with the MoU.

Basically, the copy of the MoU that I produced (the same one that they were talking about in the press conference in that YouTube video) says that NAMLEF will mobilize the Muslim community to vote for Odinga who will

- continue working with NAMLEF and provide support to the Muslim community
- Take NAMLEF on in an advisory role within his government
- Deliberate policies that would provide redress for injustices towards Muslims within Kenya.

those are three of the main points. Nowhere in it does it say "recognize Sharia as the only law"

 

[gsvol]

For the last time, I don't care about the Ghadafi family, and Obama has nothing to do with the MoU.

Basically, the copy of the MoU that I produced (the same one that they were talking about in the press conference in that YouTube video) says that NAMLEF will mobilize the Muslim community to vote for Odinga who will

- continue working with NAMLEF and provide support to the Muslim community
- Take NAMLEF on in an advisory role within his government
- Deliberate policies that would provide redress for injustices towards Muslims within Kenya.

those are three of the main points. Nowhere in it does it say "recognize Sharia as the only law"

I don't know what you mean by 'MoU' but Obama certainly supported the radical marxist ODM!!!!

The ODM was in league with the muslims!!

How would you feel if Obama made a similar agreement here in the USA?? (to the document you produced)

I can't prove the document I produced isn't a forgery and you can't prove it is, we are at an impasse there but still on all the other particulars we agree, correctamondo??

So it doesn't bother you that Obama donated a million $$ to the campaign of the radical marxist Odinga????

Being clueless is one thing, burying your head in the sand is another.

Does it bother you that Obama tried to hide this support of Odinga from the American people???

Excerpt;

The former ODM official reported abandoning the ODM and opposing Odinga because of concerns Odinga had manipulated tribal violence in Kenya to gain political power.

During Corsi's trip to Kenya, WND also confirmed the role of the anonymous ODM source in implementing an Odinga campaign strategy which the source claimed was shared with Obama's Senate office. The strategy is described in a document titled "Executive Brief on the Positioning and Marketing of the Orange Democratic Movement & 'The People's President.'"

The document at one point suggests: "It is possible to trigger a class war by painting the Kibaki Government as an insensitive, uncaring group of Muthaiga Golf clubbers. Available research also suggests that this strategy could also resonate with poor Kikuyu youth who feel economically marginalized by their own government. As part of this strategy the party should seek to elevate the emotions within all youth constituents who may it successful, be willing to vote for us in the protest. Visible signs of class disparity will provide important fodder for this theme."

WND previously reported Obama was in telephone communications with Odinga on nearly a daily basis during the Democratic primary in New Hampshire in January.

The second e-mail, again from Obama's Senate address to Odinga's e-mail, stated, "Thanks for contacting me about Mr Lippert through email. Contact him through mark_lippert.obama.senate.gov."

Chapter 4 of Corsi's "The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality," titled "Kenya, Odinga, Communism and Islam," refers to the strategy document, but its authenticity was confirmed by the former ODM official during interviews with Corsi in Kenya over the last week.

The document describes an Odinga strategy of exploiting "anti-Kikuyu sentiments," a clearly racial strategy aimed at inflaming long-standing tribal animosity to gain electoral advantage for Odinga.

The last point of the campaign document describes what happened when Odinga lost the December 2007 election: "Ethnic Tensions/Violence as a Last Resort."

......................

According to a Wall Street Journal article posted on the Obama campaign website, Lippert is doing double duty: in civilian life as Obama's chief foreign-policy adviser and in the military as a Lieutenant JG who is planning to serve as an intelligence officer for the Navy SEALS.

The site gives Lippert, 34, credit for helping "hone" Obama's anti-war views.

The website report states: "Over the past two years, Sen. Obama and Lt. Lippert have traveled around the globe together, played one-on-one basketball and shared each other's shoes. Lt. Lippert has continuing email exchanges with the senator's half sister in Africa. Sen. Obama encouraged Lt. Lippert to get engaged. Sen. Obama calls Lt. Lippert, 'one of my favorite people in the world.'"

Lippert previously worked at the State Department and at the Office of Naval Intelligence in Suitland, Md.

The report says Lippert accompanied Obama as an adviser to Russia and then to Kenya.

Are you also indifferent to the 1,000 dead, the 800 Christian churches damaged or destroyed and the 500,000 primarily Christian citizens of Kenya displaced by the pre-planned muslim violence brought about on Odinga's behalf to put power in the hands of this murderous marxist thug????

Being indifferent is one thing, being brain dead is another.

Obama and the Logan Act.

The Kenyan Ambassador to the USA, Ogingo Ogego, was correct to make a Formal Complaint about this to the US Administration, which he did and the Senator was very wrong to behave in this way..........

In supporting Odinga and the ODM the Senator does seem to have been attempting to undermine US Foreign Policy in such a way as to “defeat the measures of the United States”.

Odinga, as a part of his platform. explicitly opposed the Kenyan Government’s crackdown on suspected al Quaeda Terrorists (CNS News October 17th 2007). He also opposed extradition, or Rendition of Terrorist suspects from Kenya. Since the Government of President Kibaki was co-operating with President Bush and his Administration in their “War on Terror”, which IS stated US Policy and since President Kibaki is seen, according to Secretary of State Rice as “a significant Ally in the War against Terror”, campaigning for his rival who is explicitly opposed to an alliance in this matter is by definition attempting to “defeat the measures of the United States” and Senator Obama seems in breach of the Logan Act.

Had Odinga become President of Kenya, the Senator would also have been guilty under the first part of the Act and since Odinga did become Prime Minister the Senator may be deemed currently to be in breach.

Barack Obama designated a personal aide, Mark Lippert, as his direct contact for the 2007 Kenyan presidential campaign of Raila Odinga

 

[emainvol]

For the last time, this isn't about Obama, it is about the Memorandum of Understanding.

 

[gsvol]

For the last time, this isn't about Obama, it is about the Memorandum of Understanding.

That is the one thing you are nitpicking.

Again, my question to you is; "what do you think of Obama's support of the radical marxist thug Odinga in Kenya?"

Dance around that question again!!! lol:

Do you think that might give you some insight into what Obama stands for???

Do you think the marxist socialists and muslims are and have been in league with one another for quite a while???

Do you think the islamo/fascists still cling to the beliefs of the nazi party??

You painted yourself into that corner.

 

[emainvol]

That is the one thing you are nitpicking.

Again, my question to you is; "what do you think of Obama's support of the radical marxist thug Odinga in Kenya?"

Dance around that question again!!! lol:

Do you think that might give you some insight into what Obama stands for???

Do you think the marxist socialists and muslims are and have been in league with one another for quite a while???

Do you think the islamo/fascists still cling to the beliefs of the nazi party??

You painted yourself into that corner.

I already told you what I thought about that pages ago. I think it is a non-issue.

You, Jerome Corsi, and a bunch of whackjob bloggers seem to be the only people that think that Odinga is a thug. All I have asked you for is proof of your allegations, and you come up with things like an impossible to verify document that doesn't even have witness signatures (which seems pretty fishy to me), and a bunch of hearsay.

And I still don't care that Saif al-Islam al-Gaddafi gave Odinga money. Perhaps we should string up everyone that worked with him, within our government, on the U.S.-Libya Comprehensive Claims Settlement Agreement

 

[SavageOrangeJug]

hardly an accurate description. obama's presidency will make bush's look alot better four years from now.

Nick is correct for once. It won't take 4 years. Obama is already making Bush look good in comparison.

 

[gsvol]

I already told you what
I thought about that pages ago. I think it is a
non-issue.

You don't think Obama will make the same sort
deals on behalf of America???

Is that also a non-issue with you??

You, Jerome Corsi, and a bunch of whackjob bloggers seem to be the only people that think that Odinga is a thug. All I have asked you for is proof of your allegations, and you come up with things like an impossible to verify document that doesn't even have witness signatures (which seems pretty fishy to me), and a bunch of hearsay.

I gave you the texts of e-mails between the Obama
staff and Kenya also, you must have missed that.

Why have 1,000+ Kenyans been so brutally
massacred? Why have 500,000 people been driven
from their homes and villages? Why are thousands
more fleeing across the borders into Uganda and
Tanzania? Because of an election, alleged by the
opposition (Raila Odinga and his ODM Party) to
have been fraudulent yet subsequently declared to
have been free and fair by the Kenyan Electoral
Commission.

The conciliatory tone of the 76-year-old Kenyan
president Kibaki's victory speech fell on deaf ears
as angry supporters of Raila Odinga's opposition
Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) rioted in a
Nairobi slum and his heartlands in the west.

The US State Department congratulated Mr Kibaki
on his re-election and called on all sides to accept
the results despite the fraud allegations.

But Mr Odinga's party urged supporters of the
defeated candidate to reject Mr Kibaki's re-election
and gather in central Nairobi on Monday to welcome
instead the "People's President".

If McCain had won in America, we would have
probably had the same here.

The final tally gave Mr Kibaki 4,584,721 votes,
ahead of Mr Odinga with 4,352,993.

What is left of a market place where Kenyans
bought and sold food.

FRIENDS of a Briton shot dead by raiders in Kenya,
last night praised the “warm and caring husband
and dad”.

Graham Warren, 58, originally of Northampton, was
killed after he and wife Christine, 56, encountered
a gang at their home on Friday. Daughter Sam flew
out yesterday to comfort her and her brothers, who
were visiting.

Damian Davies, a neighbor in the coastal village of
Watamu, said: “We all liked Graham and he loved
Kenya.”

Police were last night quizzing two suspects.

The Red Cross estimates that nearly 100,000
people have fled their homes. Some have even
crossed into Uganda. Kenya historically has been
a country that accepts refugees, not creates them.

Within the span of a week, one of the most
developed, promising countries in Africa has turned
into a starter kit for disaster. Rogue militias are
roaming the countryside with rusty machetes,
neighborhoods are destroyed, and Kenya’s
economy, one of the biggest on the continent, is
unraveling — with fuel shortages rippling across
East Africa because the roads in Kenya, a regional
hub, are too dangerous to use. Roadblocks set up
by armed men, something synonymous with
anarchic Somalia, have cropped up across the
country.

The darling of foreign investors in east Africa, with
an average annual growth over five percent over
the past five years, Kenya will be lucky to emerge
unscathed in an increasingly competitive regional
scene.

"The big men are fighting it out over the election,
but if a compromise is not reached soon, we will
just be left here to die," said 63-year-old John
Okwiri, clasping a mangled container cap, the only
object he could salvage from his little coffee shop.

Yeah, there is something fishy going on, that's for
sure, on that we are in total agreement!!

"The US government must apologize to us as a clan
and the old man," Mohamed Ibrahim told Reuters,
referring to a highly respected tribal elder who is
also shown in the photos.

"We have been offended, and we cannot afford to
just watch and stay silent."

This what they said after photos of Obama were
published in America showing Barack dressed up in
traditional muslim attire.

A man wipes his face in front of a church where
some 50 women and children were burned alive in
Eldoret, Kenya after haven taken refuge in an
Assembly of God church building as mobs supporting
Odinga doused the building with gasoline and set it
on fire.

This church in Kiambaa village, Kenya, was burned
down Tuesday with up to 50 people inside as a mob
of Odinga supporters took out its anger.

Daniel Kibigo said he was there, hiding in the burned
cornfields nearby, as the mob gleefully stuffed
mattresses in front of the church’s doors and set
them on fire.

“The violence will end,” said Mr. Kibigo, a brick
mason, “when the politicians (Odinga) want to
end it.”

Adding to the incendiary atmosphere, Raila Odinga,
the opposition figure who said he was robbed of the
presidency, has vowed to go ahead with a million-
person rally in the capital, Nairobi.

Something fishy indeed, 800 Christian churches
damaged or destroyed and not one mosque
damaged.

Uncontrolled rioting, murder, rape and pillage until
the marxist Odinga is made the Prime Minister,
nothing fishy at all, and that is the kind of politics
your POTUS supports.

And I still don't care that Saif al-Islam al-Gaddafi gave Odinga money.

You would also probably argue that Barack Hussein
Obama's grandfather, Hussein Onyango Obama,
wasn't a participant in the bloody Mau Mau
rebellion?

You claim the MoU is a forgery but then you accept
a copy of Obama's birth certificate that has no
doctor's signature and no hospital mentioned.??

Perhaps we should string up everyone that worked with him, within our government, on the U.S.-Libya Comprehensive Claims Settlement Agreement

Now that is about an asinine statement as I have
ever read, idiotic even considering the source.

I have to admit, you fit the liberal profile perfectly,
head in sand and bare butt shining to high heaven.

 

[emainvol]

Now that is about an asinine statement as I have
ever read, idiotic even considering the source.

I have to admit, you fit the liberal profile perfectly,
head in sand and bare butt shining to high heaven.

Are you denying that such an agreement exists? Would you also like to deny that measures were being taken, before Obama was even elected, to establish a U.S. embassy in Tripoli?

Also, what do you think of Kibaki's attempt in 2005 to change the Kenyan constitution to allow for a President appointed Prime Minister? The same change would also allow for his dismissal of the Prime Minister.

You say that I am painted into a corner, then what's with the ad hominem attacks? You run out of things to copy and paste?

 

[emainvol]

You claim the MoU is a forgery but then you accept
a copy of Obama's birth certificate that has no
doctor's signature and no hospital mentioned.??

I never said it was a forgery. I said it was impossible to verify. If my statements are idiotic and asinine then why do you misrepresent them so often and so blatantly?

I accept a copy of Obama's birth certificate that has been verified by the Hawaii's Department of Health.

 

[gsvol]

Are you denying that such an agreement exists? Would you also like to deny that measures were being taken, before Obama was even elected, to establish a U.S. embassy in Tripoli?

That agreement was for the Ghdafi marxist/muslim
government to pay damages for it's terrorist activities.

We agreed to establish a US Embassy in Libya and
resume diplomatic relations after Ghadafi agreed to stop
sponsoring terrorist activities and gave up his nuclear
arms and missile programs.

Equating that situation with supporting Raila Odinga in
Kenya is an asinine statement, it's far worse than
comparing apples and oranges, it's totally absurd, you
really grasping at straws now.

Ghadafi, Obama and Odinga creating chaos in Kenya for
political gain and the advance of islam and marxisn is
really something to brag about.

Pretty good work for a lowly community organizer.
(read marxist provocateur.)

The the claims of election fraud were made and
subsequently widespread rioting began, Obama
interrupted his New Hampshire campaigning to speak
by phone with Odinga, his cousin. He did not speak
with Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki.

Bishop Cornelius Korir of Eldoret confirms the killings
were organized and planned. It is believed Odinga and
his ODM Pentagon members had planned it all, long
before elections, and especially William Ruto the MP for
Eldoret North (the burning of women and children in a
church).

He is tearing through the country using murder and rape
as his weapons of choice. Justice Minister Martha Karua
tsaid Odinga’s group (Orange Democratic Movement has
planned to carry out systematic ethnic cleansing. This is
a dangerous man in what has up until now been a pretty
stable country on an unstable continent.