More shocking info on Obama...

#26
#26
therealUT said:
If there was a Muslim candidate out there, who promoted policy views that I shared, I would vote for the candidate...regardless of our war against radical Islam.

Also, while there was a question mark involved, it was most definitely a statement...and, meant to be one.
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I'm not saying I disagree with you just stating the fact that it would be a real detriment to a Muslim's campaign.
 
#27
#27
therealUT said:
1. He is not a Muslim.
2. Having friends/family that are Muslim is in no way a bad thing.
3. I never realized that practicing Islam or associating with those who do is a disqualifier for the seat of POTUS.

Telling people lies in order that they do not vote for someone is, in fact, stealing their freedom of choice from them.
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You are TOTALLY twisting my words.
1. We'll see.
2. I never ever said that. If moderates would step up I wouldn't have a problem with them either.
3. Seriously? Are you serious? You have to know that a this point it would be weird to hear a Mid-East accent addressing the USA on the war against his people in his country of origin.

That pastor was trying to stimulate thoughts about Obama, end of story. This country is in HUGE trouble if Obama gets anywhere near the Oval office.

*side note to all: my computer is acting weird, I just got my lap top back and so if there are stickys all over my post, ,it is b/c my lap top is still JACKED UP! Which is horribly frustrating!
 
#28
#28
therealUT said:
If there was a Muslim candidate out there, who promoted policy views that I shared, I would vote for the candidate...regardless of our war against radical Islam.

Also, while there was a question mark involved, it was most definitely a statement...and, meant to be one.
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I simply can not believe you feel this way. Wow. There are so many reasons why a Muslim leading this country would be a disaster, I don't know where to begin.

Let me make myself clear, I have nothing against other people or religions, but I'm not about to vote for a person of Muslim faith to be our Chief. Maybe it's a trust issue.
 
#29
#29
Volnissniss said:
I simply can not believe you feel this way. Wow. There are so many reasons why a Muslim leading this country would be a disaster, I don't know where to begin.

Let me make myself clear, I have nothing against other people or religions, but I'm not about to vote for a person of Muslim faith to be our Chief. Maybe it's a trust issue.
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You just contradicted yourself.
 
#30
#30
Do you know ANY good Muslims Volnissniss? I mean trust me, I don't care for Obama and never will, not because of the Muslim thing but because he is a socialist liberal. To me, that is alot more important than him having this Muslim thing follow him around..IMO.
 
#31
#31
therealUT said:
He is using what many in his community view as a place of worship and probably as a beacon of truth in order to imply that there is a connection between a US Senator and Presidential Candidate and the leader of an organization that is responsible for murdering thousands of innocent people.

Do you believe his intentions are benevolent?
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What connection is he implying exactly? That he believes they may share the same religion?

therealUT said:
1. He is not a Muslim.
2. Having friends/family that are Muslim is in no way a bad thing.
3. I never realized that practicing Islam or associating with those who do is a disqualifier for the seat of POTUS.

Telling people lies in order that they do not vote for someone is, in fact, stealing their freedom of choice from them.
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1. This has been debated in other threads so I won't get into this one unless you want to. Let's just say many are unconvinced as to exactly what his religious views are.
2. Not at all, but when you claim not to be a muslim but surround yourself with people that are or were, it's going to raise eyebrows.
3. It doesn't disqualify him from the seat but it might prevent many from voting for him.

Then I guess most politicians are guilty of stealing our freedom of choice. :) Again, you say 'lies' but is he not just asking people to ask themselves the question?

Don't get me wrong. I think the sign crosses the line and is uncalled for. I'm just not sure I take it's meaning/intent quite as far as you do.

therealUT said:
If there was a Muslim candidate out there, who promoted policy views that I shared, I would vote for the candidate...regardless of our war against radical Islam.
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That's freedom of choice. Each voter gets to make the choice whether or not a candidate's religion is a factor.


Also, while there was a question mark involved, it was most definitely a statement...and, meant to be one.
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Maybe you need to do some research on the question mark and it's meaning. :p I kid, I kid.
 
#32
#32
Volnissniss said:
You are TOTALLY twisting my words.
1. We'll see.
2. I never ever said that. If moderates would step up I wouldn't have a problem with them either.3. Seriously? Are you serious? You have to know that a this point it would be weird to hear a Mid-East accent addressing the USA on the war against his people in his country of origin.

That pastor was trying to stimulate thoughts about Obama, end of story. This country is in HUGE trouble if Obama gets anywhere near the Oval office.

*side note to all: my computer is acting weird, I just got my lap top back and so if there are stickys all over my post, ,it is b/c my lap top is still JACKED UP! Which is horribly frustrating!
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Moderate Question:

Does that mean voting for something you don't agree with simply because the party you chose to support want you to? How can we divide the thousands of issues and seperate them into two major parties and expect to agree with everything they stand for?
 
#33
#33
MontereyVol said:
You just contradicted yourself.
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B/c I won't vote for someone of Muslim faith is just my feelings about Muslims leading this country when the Mid-East is such a mess. So as soon as the Mid East starts to look a little more like the US, I might reconsider.

You just like to pick at me for some reason. You probably hate it that women can vote.
 
#34
#34
myrobbins7 said:
Do you know ANY good Muslims Volnissniss? I mean trust me, I don't care for Obama and never will, not because of the Muslim thing but because he is a socialist liberal. To me, that is alot more important than him having this Muslim thing follow him around..IMO.
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I agree, his socialist views do weigh more heavily to me but it's also still a question about the whole Muslim thing. Which does indeed weigh heavily with me as well, if I'm being honest. If the guy would be honest for like a second and stop dodging everything, Anyway, I just don't like that.
 
#35
#35
jkell24 said:
Moderate Question:

Does that mean voting for something you don't agree with simply because the party you chose to support want you to? How can we divide the thousands of issues and seperate them into two major parties and expect to agree with everything they stand for?
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What? I'm going to need you to be more specific. Like are you saying if you vote Republican are you voting for everything they stand for? Sorry, I don't know what you are saying :)
 
#36
#36
Volnissniss said:
B/c I won't vote for someone of Muslim faith is just my feelings about Muslims leading this country when the Mid-East is such a mess. So as soon as the Mid East starts to look a little more like the US, I might reconsider.

You just like to pick at me for some reason. You probably hate it that women can vote.
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What's wrong with that? :p
 
#38
#38
Volnissniss said:
B/c I won't vote for someone of Muslim faith is just my feelings about Muslims leading this country when the Mid-East is such a mess. So as soon as the Mid East starts to look a little more like the US, I might reconsider.

You just like to pick at me for some reason. You probably hate it that women can vote.
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No, I just think your statement is incredibly naive (to put it nicely)

And I dont pick on you, anymore than anyone else, which isnt much. As to the mysoginistic remark toward me, all I can say is my wife outranks me, my mother at ORNL has earned a position that I will probably never be able to equal and I have two daughters. Women are just as good as men doing good and doing evil.
 
#39
#39
Volnissniss said:
What? I'm going to need you to be more specific. Like are you saying if you vote Republican are you voting for everything they stand for? Sorry, I don't know what you are saying :)
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I'm saying for example how Joe Lieberman can run in 2000 as the democratic candidate for VP and in 2008 he is supporting McCain. Is that a bad thing that he is doing what he believes is right or should he be further to the left and only vote for a democrat because it's the party he is/was associated with? I am against abortion for example which is against most people of the democratic party so is that a bad thing or is it good that I feel this way based on my own thoughts rather than the majority of the party. I feel like moderates get bashed a lot and seen as indecisive and flip-floppers when in fact they may be more independent in their feelings on issues. I just wonder why they should step up? Does that mean they should shut up in vote with the party or does it mean something else?
 
#41
#41
MontereyVol said:
No, I just think your statement is incredibly naive (to put it nicely)

And I dont pick on you, anymore than anyone else, which isnt much. As to the mysoginistic remark toward me, all I can say is my wife outranks me, my mother at ORNL has earned a position that I will probably never be able to equal and I have two daughters. Women are just as good as men doing good and doing evil.
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I appreciate what you've said.

I was however being sarcastic there at the end. We've argued before so I was picking at you a little. Sorry if I offended you.

Naive, more than likely. I am a spoiled only child private school educated air conditioner loving, hate to pump my own gas kind of girl. Isn't everyone's opinion naive to some degree? I mean unless you've spent some of your life in a million different pairs of shoes for some bit of time, then I venture to guess that everyone is a bit naive.
 
#42
#42
jkell24 said:
I'm saying for example how Joe Lieberman can run in 2000 as the democratic candidate for VP and in 2008 he is supporting McCain. Is that a bad thing that he is doing what he believes is right or should he be further to the left and only vote for a democrat because it's the party he is/was associated with? I am against abortion for example which is against most people of the democratic party so is that a bad thing or is it good that I feel this way based on my own thoughts rather than the majority of the party. I feel like moderates get bashed a lot and seen as indecisive and flip-floppers when in fact they may be more independent in their feelings on issues. I just wonder why they should step up? Does that mean they should shut up in vote with the party or does it mean something else?
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Ok, I understand what has happened... I was talking about Moderate Muslims. Not independents or people between parties.
 
#43
#43
Volnissniss said:
I think his intentions were to steer his congregation away from a man that has Muslim ties and is about as sketchy as the day is long.
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For the love of Jesus, Barack Obama is not, and never has been, a Muslim.

Saying he has ties to Muslims is like saying Britney Spears has ties to intelligence.
 
#45
#45
Volnissniss said:
Ok, I understand what has happened... I was talking about Moderate Muslims. Not independents or people between parties.
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:banghead2:

I'm stupid, I thought you were talking about moderates here and I was wondering how they were supposed to step up. :eek:hmy:
 
#46
#46
OrangeEmpire said:
Better yet, he changed his name from Barry to Barack.
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FYP.

I think he made the right call on that one.

No offense to anyone on here named Barry, but the list of famous Barrys ain't terrible (Goldwater, Sanders, White, e.g.), but it ain't so glamorous either (Bonds, Manilow, Williams i.e. "Greg Brady").
 
#48
#48
fixed your post

all the rage with the kids.(not calling TennNC a kid...but am calling FV one)
 
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