Mormon Proxy Baptisms

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The whole excercise is harmless, as it doesn't mean anything anyway. It is people practicing their crazy beliefs.

It is in bad taste though. I know there was an uproar a couple years ago about baptisms for the dead being done on holocaust victims.

I think it would be justice for some other religion to start a practice of unbaptizing dead mormons and those that were baptized by proxy. Would be interesting to get the LDS chruch view on that.
 
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YorkVol said:
Never really understood the concept, can one of our Mormon members please explain?

Thanks!

Mormons crack down on proxy baptisms; whistleblower
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Politics forum?

I grew up LDS.

As the scripture states, "Man must be born of water, and of the spirit" I believe it goes. Mormons take a literal meaning and think everyone must be baptized to live with God again (but it's not necessary to avoid hell).

So since there are people that never get the chance to accept/reject Jesus Christ, Mormons believe a just God will both satisfy the law, and give opportunity to those who were not afforded the chance. Proxy baptisms satisfy the law, and Mormons believe the person can choose to accept the baptism on their behalf.

It was practiced in Bible times, there is even a scripture referencing it. Interpretations vary. Corinthians 15:29

Else what shall they do who are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
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Many object on the grounds that you can't do anything for the dead, but a common practice within Christianity is to pray for the dead. I'm not religious, but if you are going to pray for the dead, why would baptizing for the dead be so odd?
 
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nbakerld said:
Politics forum?

I grew up LDS.

As the scripture states, "Man must be born of water, and of the spirit" I believe it goes. Mormons take a literal meaning and think everyone must be baptized to live with God again (but it's not necessary to avoid hell).

So since there are people that never get the chance to accept/reject Jesus Christ, Mormons believe a just God will both satisfy the law, and give opportunity to those who were not afforded the chance. Proxy baptisms satisfy the law, and Mormons believe the person can choose to accept the baptism on their behalf.

It was practiced in Bible times, there is even a scripture referencing it. Interpretations vary. Corinthians 15:29
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Politics forum because I don't see a Religious forum and lots of our discussions break down into religious debates. I'm not stirring the pot, this has been in the news a lot lately and I'm curious as to the purpose. As much as I've read Scripture, I never focused on that verse before, so thanks for passing it on.
 
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YorkVol said:
Yeah, bad timing on my part.
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LULZ

So traditionally Christians believe that you have to accept Jesus Christ to enter the kingdom of God. What doesn't make sense is if God is perfect and just, why would he put one of his children in a position where they will never hear of Jesus Christ so they can't possibly return to his kingdom. It's incompatible. If Christians are right about Jesus being the only way to God's kingdom, there has to be a way for people to accept him who didn't have the chance in this life.

I've asked other Christians what they think, and the best answer I got was, "even if you haven't heard of Jesus, he is in your heart, so you can accept him that way" whatever that means.
 
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Interesting. Never heard of baptizing the dead. Learn something new everyday.
 
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nbakerld said:
LULZ

So traditionally Christians believe that you have to accept Jesus Christ to enter the kingdom of God. What doesn't make sense is if God is perfect and just, why would he put one of his children in a position where they will never hear of Jesus Christ so they can't possibly return to his kingdom. It's incompatible. If Christians are right about Jesus being the only way to God's kingdom, there has to be a way for people to accept him who didn't have the chance in this life.

I've asked "other Christians" what they think, and the best answer I got was, "even if you haven't heard of Jesus, he is in your heart, so you can accept him that way" whatever that means.
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Roman 1 : 18-20
Just curious, are you a Christian?
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Interesting. Never heard of baptizing the dead. Learn something new everyday.
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One religion used to think that you could make a monitary contribution to said church after a loved one's death to get them in Heaven. There are som crazy ideas out there.
 
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nbakerld said:
I'm not religious. I mean Christians other than Mormons (who you may or may not consider Christians).
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Got cha.........
I did not ask if you were religious. But, I take that to mean that you are not a Christian. Many people are religious and not Christians. I do not consider any members of a denomination as Christians just because they attend that church. Salvation is a personal thing, not a "religion" thing.
 
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T-TownVol said:
Got cha.........
I did not ask if you were religious. But, I take that to mean that you are not a Christian. Many people are religious and not Christians. I do not consider any members of a denomination as Christians just because they attend that church. Salvation is a personal thing, not a "religion" thing.
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Have you ever met anybody that was Christian and not religious?
 
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nbakerld said:
Have you ever met anybody that was Christian and not religious?
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YES
Religion is man made......Christians are Christ like.......the world calls being a Christian the same as being religious but that is not Biblical.......like I said, many people that call themselves Christians are very very very religious and are no where near being a Christian
 
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It seems like you are trying to make a point, but I have no idea what it is. If somebody says they are not religious, they are telling you they are not Christian. You may think somebody is Christian and simultaneously "not religious" by however you assign the words definitions, but that doesn't make sense to 99% of the world.

If Christians are simply Christ-like people, then maybe I am a lot more Christian than I think, and I'd say most Christians aren't very Christ-like.
 
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nbakerld said:
It seems like you are trying to make a point, but I have no idea what it is. If somebody says they are not religious, they are telling you they are not Christian. You may think somebody is Christian and simultaneously "not religious" by however you assign the words definitions, but that doesn't make sense to 99% of the world.

If Christians are simply Christ-like people, then maybe I am a lot more Christian than I think, and I'd say most Christians aren't very Christ-like.
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I admitted that the world assigns the word "religious" to Christians and I would not expect you to get the point. I would say that the 99% is pretty accurate. Attending church and partitipating in the "religious rituals" that a particular demonimation exercises does not make any one a Christian. No more than living a Christ-like life with out the confession that JC is the Lord and Savior does.
I agree that most Christians are not very Christ-like most of the time. Me being the prime example.
 
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Did you get a chance to read Romans 1:18-20? That is where the "people that are not preached the gospel still do not have an excuse" comes from.
 
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T-TownVol said:
Did you get a chance to read Romans 1:18-20? That is where the "people that are not preached the gospel still do not have an excuse" comes from.
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I read it, but I don't get your interpretation. It's talking about no excuses for being unable to recognize God's power. I don't see it addressing whether or not people have excuses for specifically not knowing that they have to accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God and savior of the world.
 
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nbakerld said:
I read it, but I don't get your interpretation. It's talking about no excuses for being unable to recognize God's power. I don't see it addressing whether or not people have excuses for specifically not knowing that they have to accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God and savior of the world.
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You have to remember that you are lumping people that live in what we call the "civilized" world with the ones that live in places that the Gospel has not reached.
The standard is completely different.
Those that HAVE heard the gospel have the choice to accept it or not, thus determining their salvation. Those that have not heard are still required to acknowledge God's existance.
 
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