Mormon Proxy Baptisms

#208
#208
1 Cor 15: 51,52. Paul is revealing new information (Behold, I shew you a mystery)
Paul is bring new information to the gentiles. Jesus in Matt 24 is responding to a question about His second coming.

In Eph 2: 8,9 we are given a clear definition of salvation. Nowhere in the Bible is the rapture and its timing clearly defined. I lean toward the Pre trib but not enough to say I think there will be a Pre trib rapture.
 
#209
#209
orangeslice13 said:
1 Cor 15: 51,52. Paul is revealing new information (Behold, I shew you a mystery)
Paul is bring new information to the gentiles. Jesus in Matt 24 is responding to a question about His second coming.

In Eph 2: 8,9 we are given a clear definition of salvation. Nowhere in the Bible is the rapture and its timing clearly defined. I lean toward the Pre trib but not enough to say I think there will be a Pre trib rapture.
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You're right on the money with Ephesians 2:8,9.

I found another post trib verse. In 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, Paul says that those who are alive when Christ returns will be caught up together in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. This seems pretty clear to me, or am I totally missing something?
 
#210
#210
mtt2d said:
You're right on the money with Ephesians 2:8,9.

I found another post trib verse. In 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, Paul says that those who are alive when Christ returns will be caught up together in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. This seems pretty clear to me, or am I totally missing something?
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In context with the rest of Thessalonians these vs are a better argument for pre trib.
The book of Thes is a letter to the people of Thessalinica who were freaking out. They were living in tough times and thought that they were in the tribulation. The end of Ch 1. Describes Jesus "who rescues us from the wrath to come." Ch4 :18 says " confort one another with these words". What confort is there in "you will go threw liveng hell and most will not survive." Finaly ch 5 says it will happen will all is well. Ch5:3 "while they are saying peace and safty destruction will come." Ch 5: 9 " for God has not appointed us to Wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ."
As a whole 1 Thessalonians has a pre trib feel.
Be careful to alway consider the intended audience, the question being answered and how the people of the day would have recieved the message when studying the Bible.
 
#212
#212
Thes is a letter about pauls concern about the infancy and survival of the church.

Throw in some post paul interpolation and we have a party.

The minuscule 699 is Pauls "expextation" of the second coming.
 
#213
#213
OrangeEmpire said:
You two have lost me........

Pre trib feel, wtf does that even mean?
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It means you have to read the whole book to get what is being said.
If you pick and choose vs it leads to perverse interpretation. For example, I could read the vs about if my eye causes me to sin pluck it out. Take that out of context and decide OE is making me angree and thats a sin so I have to terminate OE. That's probably not what was intended.
 
#214
#214
OrangeEmpire said:
Thes is a letter about pauls concern about the infancy and survival of the church.

Throw in some post paul interpolation and we have a party.

The minuscule 699 is Pauls "expextation" of the second coming.
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And not enough evidence to call the intent pre, mid, or post.
 
#215
#215
orangeslice13 said:
It means you have to read the whole book to get what is being said.
If you pick and choose vs it leads to perverse interpretation. For example, I could read the vs about if my eye causes me to sin pluck it out. Take that out of context and decide OE is making me angree and thats a sin so I have to terminate OE. That's probably not what was intended.
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In english
 
#220
#220
orangeslice13 said:
In context with the rest of Thessalonians these vs are a better argument for pre trib.
The book of Thes is a letter to the people of Thessalinica who were freaking out. They were living in tough times and thought that they were in the tribulation. The end of Ch 1. Describes Jesus "who rescues us from the wrath to come." Ch4 :18 says " confort one another with these words". What confort is there in "you will go threw liveng hell and most will not survive." Finaly ch 5 says it will happen will all is well. Ch5:3 "while they are saying peace and safty destruction will come." Ch 5: 9 " for God has not appointed us to Wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ."
As a whole 1 Thessalonians has a pre trib feel.
Be careful to alway consider the intended audience, the question being answered and how the people of the day would have recieved the message when studying the Bible.
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Chapter 5 says the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night. They will say peace and safety (which at the time they were killing Christians so there was no peace and safety) then will come sudden destruction upon the believers.

BTW, I believe Billy Graham, Joel Osteen, Charles Stanley, and most of the preachers I have ever listened to in my life preach a false doctrine that is contrary to the one Jesus and the Bible teaches.
 
#221
#221
You don't believe he was of the tribe of Benjamin and was once a Pharisee who killed Christians? You don't believe he saw Christ and was converted?

Please explain.
 
#222
#222
mtt2d said:
Chapter 5 says the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night. They will say peace and safety (which at the time they were killing Christians so there was no peace and safety) then will come sudden destruction upon the believers.

BTW, I believe Billy Graham, Joel Osteen, Charles Stanley, and most of the preachers I have ever listened to in my life preach a false doctrine that is contrary to the one Jesus and the Bible teaches.
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Joel in the same breath of graham and stanley.

Benny Hinn too
 
#225
#225
So it begins. I will start by saying, Luke and James are my favorites books in the bible.

Having said this, did Peter, James and the authentic apostles accept Paul as one of them?

Did the followers of the apostles accept Pauls teaching?

Just for giggles

Romans 9:1
2 Cor 11.:31
Gal 1:19 20
1 Tim 2:7

Paul argued his faith was aunthentic to Christs, but James disagrees, James 2:14 to 17.

Part 1
 
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