Most humiliating loss of Butch era

[tallyho]

Maybe the worst coaching I've ever seen. We Are afraid to throw downfield, even if you keeps tight end and running back in to block, you have to throw deep to keep defensive backs out of your backfield. We were afraid to throw anything downfield, even on third and longs we were throwing 2-3 yard passes that had zero chance of making first down. Debord needs to be shipped out immediately and get us an offensive coordinator that is not afraid to throw the ball. We have talented receivers that do not get a chance to make a play

Hard to throw down field when your QB has about 3 secs to find an open receiver...need effective OL to do it which the Vols were lacking due to all the injuries.

 

[TruUT24]

For the love of Christ can we please hire a new OC. Butch is going to wind up in the same position as les miles in Baton Rouge and not making changes is going to cost him his job. We have got to be able to at least compete with bama. I realize the schedule was tough for us leading into game but you cant waste downs against a good team like we did yesterday. What a humiliating loss. I went in to the game feeling the best I have against bama in a few years and couldn't do anything but laugh at the fact they s$$t on our field and rubbed our faces in it.

 

[landscapingvol]

OP you are literally too stupid to discuss football with along with 75% of this board yet you make these absolute statements as if they are somehow facts

 

[landscapingvol]

Yet you miserable dolts expected a win based off of what exactly? A quarterback who has consistently shown time and again he cannot consistently throw the ball down the middle of the field but that should be our game plan? Brilliant! Roll Dobbs out more? Their dline was faster than Dobbs and the tackles could do little to help but again let's pretend that wasn't happening and blame the coaches for oline injuries and pretend you can scheme around it. We were down to our last healthy linebackers and there isn't a scheme you can run to overcome that with a poor tackling secondary. You can blame the staff for a poor tackling secondary but defensive backs aren't built to tackle running backs consistently. It is clear our defensive tackles aren't big enough for a power running team they were non existent all day and that needs go be addressed in recruiting; Mckenzie is not the answer and Tuttle is still hobbled.

 

[uvavol]

Yes and most pre-season polls had us losing the TAM and Bama games and finishing 10-2 and winning the SEC East. So far they are right. We shall see what happens next. Need to get healthy fast.

Sadly most posters on this site also predicted the same outcome but...they still want to fire everybody in the program. This will most likely be our final loss of the regular season. a loss is a loss no matter margin of victory. Tn just lost to the probable national champion and without injuries we would have still lost. When Bama wins the NC this is just anither them who lost to the NC winning team. No coaches other urban Meyer and Sweney have a shot.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Everybody knows I am one of the main sunshine pumpers on this board. There is no defending what happened yesterday. None. I think a lot of folks are in shock right now. I know I'm in complete disbelief. I'm trying to confront the reality that was yesterday and I'm not having an easy time with it. You guys realize that was a fireable offense right? That's the ish that got Fulmer booted but worse. We just lost 50-10 to Alabama in our own stadium because we could not do our job. We will be made fun of by everyone on tv, radio, and newspaper because we could not do our job. The tag line will be "the rivalry is back!"... snicker, snicker. We just gave the cheating gators the east and crushed our dreams of Atlanta because we could not do our job. We just put Alabama back in the nation tittle game because we could not do our job. We did it all on national tv in the most watched game of the weekend. If the university didn't have it's hands tied someone would lose their job today. Miles would have seen fired, Smart would have been fired, Freeze would be fired. Even the mighty midget saban would have been put on probation. We couldn't even score 14 points!

 

[RiverVol]

.... We did it all on national tv in the most watched first three quarters of a game of the weekend.

fify

 

[Feelzlike98]

Debord is not who we need to "spark" offense. We have honestly played better and scored more points in the second half of games because we haven't been using his game plan and have went the route we should have played all game, every game, all year!

 

[BeecherVol]

Yet you miserable dolts expected a win based off of what exactly? A quarterback who has consistently shown time and again he cannot consistently throw the ball down the middle of the field but that should be our game plan? Brilliant! Roll Dobbs out more? Their dline was faster than Dobbs and the tackles could do little to help but again let's pretend that wasn't happening and blame the coaches for oline injuries and pretend you can scheme around it. We were down to our last healthy linebackers and there isn't a scheme you can run to overcome that with a poor tackling secondary. You can blame the staff for a poor tackling secondary but defensive backs aren't built to tackle running backs consistently. It is clear our defensive tackles aren't big enough for a power running team they were non existent all day and that needs go be addressed in recruiting; Mckenzie is not the answer and Tuttle is still hobbled.

At the end of the day its year 4. If your players cant tackle, and are not big and fast enough to compete there are not many places to look for the why.

 

[rocytop2624]

No Dooley whooped him pretty good....

I was at that game and Butch was totally outcoached.

LOL.

I wish I was joking.

yea i remember that we had a good team then we should of beat florida and Justin Hunter got hurt and the hole season collapsed.

 

[cd12]

I might add he must change his offensive philosophy as well ...

 

[tallyho]

You are pathetic. Check your facts before you post. TN IS NOT in the drivers seat for the East! TN needs to win out in the SEC & needs FL to lose one.

Yes this season does include a win over FL & a Hail Mary over GA with a first year coach who just lost to Vanderbilt. TN does not look very good in Butch' 4th yr. I'll take 5-2 vs 4-3 or 3-4 anyday but the reality is TN needs help now to win the SECe

The good part is when we edge past Tenn Tech the Vols will clinch a Music City Bowl berth. Three bowls in a row for CBJ. It doesn't get any etter than that.

 

[JPL]

At the end of the day its year 4. If your players cant tackle, and are not big and fast enough to compete there are not many places to look for the why.

That's the point. We are in year 4 with Butch. Yes, there have been injuries, many...but where is the development of 5* & 4* talent??? Darell Taylor, Kyle Phillips, Gavin Bryant, Dillon Bates, Drew Richmond. We can make excuse after excuse but there is nothing to excuse yesterday's performance! Yesterday was shameful & embarrassing!

 

[GoVols64]

Gang we all need to relax and realize we still have a chance to win the East and get another shot at this team. Some (mostly) dispassionate observations about a team that should make Atlanta (hoping LSU or someone beats UF):

1. Offense is not to my liking but it is explosive when properly executed; Our O-Line was responsible for the result yesterday (injuries made an average group worse). Completely dominated at the point of attack which is how you shut us down. Oregon used to run a similar scheme and they scored a lot until they ran into a defense like Bama's.

2. There is still a massive talent gap between Alabama and the rest of the SEC, maybe nation. Doesn't mean they will win it all but there is no reason for them not to.

3. Anyone saying pass more was watching a different game. Dobbs had about half a second to get the ball out most plays. I do blame DeBord for the screen call; everyone in the stadium knew that was coming and Dobbs should have thrown it into the ground.

4. We are still a good football team and have had the worst luck with injuries; still not enough depth to handle it. Make no mistake: This is NOT the team we started with and was chosen to compete for the playoff; just isn't.

5. Regarding injuries: Have not seen one that was a result of poor conditioning. Two ankles, an already suspect shoulder, concussions..... These are all part of the game and we are snakebit this year......

6. To somewhat contradict myself: I don't see the physical development in our players. Saban's gang looked like men playing boys last night. Part of that is the caliber of recruit but some of that is pure gym work. We focus on fast reps and conditioning and I am starting to wonder if it is costing us in maximizing the frames our players are on.

Anyone know how our players have improved in measurable? 225 bench reps; squat and clean #s etc?

7. We still have reason for optimism. IF we can get healthy and most of our starters back there is no one left that we don't have a fair shot at beating. We get lucky with a UF loss and can play Alabama with the team we were supposed to have. Will we win? Would take a perfect game from us and the opposite from them but they would likely not be as worried about the game as this one, that is to our advantage.

All is not lost my friends. Just hurts right now.....

 

[MFL]

Since 1906 by bama

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

That's the point. We are in year 4 with Butch. Yes, there have been injuries, many...but where is the development of 5* & 4* talent??? Darell Taylor, Kyle Phillips, Gavin Bryant, Dillon Bates, Drew Richmond. We can make excuse after excuse but there is nothing to excuse yesterday's performance! Yesterday was shameful & embarrassing!

These names are why the depth and injury excuses just aren't holding as much water as they did 3 years ago.

You named 2 4 star LB's with multiple years in the system that can't make an impact for a team in dire need of LB help.

If this is a sign of things to come, then I guess challenging for the East shouldn't be expected maybe 1 in 4 years and only then if Butch catches some breaks.

 

[Volfan574]

This game was embarrassing to watch. The Jalen Hurts stare into the camera after he scored really pissed me off. The look on his face was arrogant, it was like he was saying to vols fans (you thought you had a chance to beat us, Vols ain't s***).

 

[BeecherVol]

This game was embarrassing to watch. The Jalen Hurts stare into the camera after he scored really pissed me off. The look on his face was arrogant, it was like he was saying to vols fans (you thought you had a chance to beat us, Vols ain't s***).

Unfortunately he was right.

 

[Revengevol]

Come on, you're smarter than this.

This season is a Hail Mary and a missed field goal away from being a complete, unmitigated disaster. And this is supposed to be the year we take a big step forward. When is it happening? Probably never.

Never will take the next step with this bunch of "coaches".

 

[volgrad500]

It's so ridiculous that people are chalking this up to injuries. The team hasn't looked good all year. Who were our injuries against App State? Does FL missing their starting QB discount our win? Chubb being out put an asterik next to UGA?
We are on a two game losing streak, including the largest defeat by Alabama in HISTORY, and the Butch apologists are bending over backwards to make sure no one can even question Lyle.

 

[Revengevol]

This game was embarrassing to watch. The Jalen Hurts stare into the camera after he scored really pissed me off. The look on his face was arrogant, it was like he was saying to vols fans (you thought you had a chance to beat us, Vols ain't s***).

That's exactly what he was saying and he was right. We don't have the scheme or the discipline to hang with a team like that. Injuries, well other teams have injuries too. Alabama started 3 true freshman out there on offense. But, but but Butch is our coach and he has a plan and he is a great great great recruiter. Horses..t. Wise up people.

 

[ibvolman]

*sigh* Dude. As much as it pains me, they just straight up beat us. What was Dobord going to do? Throw and get sacked a million times. He couldn't abandon the run. We just couldn't execute sadly.

That is at least partly correct. He couldn't figure out that he needed to move the pocket to give a little more time, and that the 2 and three yard dink and dunk passes were getting ate up by Bama with no yards after the catch. He refused to do what is necessary to stretch the field and force Bama to play honest at the line of scrimmage.

Defense was another issue. I believe it was on Bama's 3rd TD that they ran the same play going right 4 ties in a row for big gains. I can see maybe one time, but not adjusting to the alignment of Bama to get contain on the edge is baffling. Berry bit hard on the inside fake every time on that series. Then they hit us with that reverse for a TD.

Seems that I recall some coach saying that nobody would run the ball on Tennessee this year. Well, with the 109th rushing defense in the nation, I think that didn't even come close to holding true.

 

[jakez4ut]

eh, there's no spinning this, we got our butts kicked. bad.

but i guess, as someone that has looked at this game all off season as a tall task, the only thing that really surprised me was that we didn't do anything on offense. i thought we'd be able to score some.....

but what Bama was able to do offensively, especially considering the defensive injuries, really didn't surprise me.

the O line has been an issue all year, and it showed again yesterday.....i think we started off ok, i thought the play calling was decent, but once the pass rush started to get to dobbs, we had no answer, and Dobbs wasn't even going to a 2nd read.

defensively, they were able to just flat wear us down. i think the defense put up a good fight....but 4 consecutive 3 and outs in the 2nd quarter really hurt.

you can blame coaches if you want to. but the reality is just that Alabama is the deepest, most talented team in the SEC...by far. there's no one really close, except maybe Ohio State or Clemson? and they're at best a distant 2nd.

i still see 10-2, as i have all off season, as the goal, and if FL can drop 1 or 2, a trip to ATL.

the season can still be successful, and our goals can still be accomplished. so i'm not going to freak out this time. we were beat up badly, Bama wasn't....i don't know that had we had any of our injured players back it would have changed the outcome, but i do think it would have been more competitive.

anyway, it sucks. but let's get in to the bye, get healthier and lets look forward to finishing the season strong and winning the East, which was the goal to being with....

 

[AstonRoyal]

eh, there's no spinning this, we got our butts kicked. bad.

but i guess, as someone that has looked at this game all off season as a tall task, the only thing that really surprised me was that we didn't do anything on offense. i thought we'd be able to score some.....

but what Bama was able to do offensively, especially considering the defensive injuries, really didn't surprise me.

the O line has been an issue all year, and it showed again yesterday.....i think we started off ok, i thought the play calling was decent, but once the pass rush started to get to dobbs, we had no answer, and Dobbs wasn't even going to a 2nd read.

defensively, they were able to just flat wear us down. i think the defense put up a good fight....but 4 consecutive 3 and outs in the 2nd quarter really hurt.

you can blame coaches if you want to. but the reality is just that Alabama is the deepest, most talented team in the SEC...by far. there's no one really close, except maybe Ohio State or Clemson? and they're at best a distant 2nd.

i still see 10-2, as i have all off season, as the goal, and if FL can drop 1 or 2, a trip to ATL.

the season can still be successful, and our goals can still be accomplished. so i'm not going to freak out this time. we were beat up badly, Bama wasn't....i don't know that had we had any of our injured players back it would have changed the outcome, but i do think it would have been more competitive.

anyway, it sucks. but let's get in to the bye, get healthier and lets look forward to finishing the season strong and winning the East, which was the goal to being with....

The reality is that the effort wasn't there and the coaches strategies didn't do anything to compensate. Not even Derek Dooley lost to Alabama by this much with significantly worse recruiting

 

[jakez4ut]

The reality is that the effort wasn't there and the coaches strategies didn't do anything to compensate. Not even Derek Dooley lost to Alabama by this much with significantly worse recruiting

eh, that's just kind of a lacy perspective. while the game was still competitive, i think the effort was just fine.

it became pretty clear, pretty early on though, that their front 7 won the LOS, and we didn't have any answer. you can blame that on the coaches, if you want. but in reality, our personnel on the O line just isn't close to the personnel in Bama's front 7. 3 of the 7 could go in the 1st round of the NFL draft. how many TN O linemen are going in 1st round of the draft?

we didn't "lose" the game. like we "lost" games against OU and FL last year...we just got beat by a much better, much healthier team. it happens. and as long as Saban is at Bama and they recruit they way they do across both lines of scrimmage, they're going win a lot more than they lose....against everyone, not just Tennessee.