Most mass shootings are by Liberals/Democrats

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Squints said:
Coming from the jackass who doesn’t understand the premise:

-Are they Liberal?

or

-Are they not?

Are you going to continue to move the goalposts or justify your contention? If you’re not contentious, why the butthurt over a “source?” And you call yourself an attorney... lol
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Making a claim without a credible source amounts to an opinion - which doesn't require refutation.
 
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Septic said:
Making a claim without a credible source amounts to an opinion - which doesn't require refutation.
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I didn’t say the OP required anything. I’ve seen the list before, and I see no reason to believe they’re not left-leaning nutbags (at least for the most part). CWV, however, likes to play semantics and move goalposts, wherein I poked him about his contention. If he’s not contentious, then why the uproar? If you are contentious to a claim, provide a reason for why (other than, “it’s a bull**** source”). That’s how debates work, but I wouldn’t expect a liberal to know any better.

How ya been, Septic? Fishing expedition is fastly approaching.
 
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AirVol said:
THE LIST:
– Nidal Hasan – Ft Hood Shooter: Reg*istered Democrat and Muslim.
– Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard shooter – black liberal/Obama voter
– Seung-Hui Cho – Virginia Tech shooter: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff, registered Democrat.
– James Holmes – the “Dark Knight”/Colorado shooter: Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, #Occu*py guy,progressive liberal, hated Christians.

– Amy Bishop, the rabid leftist, killed her colleagues in Alabama, Obama supporter.
– Andrew J. Stack, flew plane into IRS building in Texas – Leftist Democrat
– James J. Lee who was the “green activist”/ leftist took hostages at Discovery Channel – progressive liberal Democrat.
– Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter – Leftist, Marxist.
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The James Holmes is patently bullsh!t. It was based on some shoddy work by some Breitbart blogger. Wrong James Holmes. Not registered at all.

The Va Tech shooter was a registered alien. Not allowed to vote. Even if he could vote, Virginia is non-partisan registration state meaning he cannot be registered democrat. The same logic applies for the Fort Hood shooter.

3 of the first 4 can be shown to be bullsh!t without much effort at all. Not wasting anymore time on unsubstantiated crap.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Burden of proof is on the accuser, unless you live in an authoritarian regime.
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I thought we did.

Tump’s a muh dictator according to some of y’all.

Isn’t a rebuttal an inverse accusation? Does the same rule apply?
 
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FWIW

In 2007, a registered Democrat named Seung – Hui Cho, shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech.

FALSE

Seung-Hui Cho was not a registered Democrat. Cho was born in South Korea and was a legal resident alien of the United States, which makes it exceedingly unlikely that he was registered to vote in Virginia. Furthermore, Virginia does not have partisan voter registration, so even if Cho had been registered, he would not have been registered as a Democrat.

As recently as Sept 2013, an angry Democrat shot 12 at a Navy ship yard.

UNPROVEN

Shooter: Aaron Alexis

The claim that Aaron Alexis was a Democrat can be traced back to an article published by The National Report, a fake news web site that has a long history of publishing misinformation:

National Report is a news and political satire web publication, which may or may not use real names, often in semi-real or mostly fictitious ways. All news articles contained within National Report are fiction, and presumably fake news. Any resemblance to the truth is purely coincidental.

We found no record of Aaron Alexis being registered as a Democrat. However, a co-worker of Alexis’ did say that the shooter was more of a “liberal-type” guy:

“Aaron wasn’t conservative, like I am,” Ritrovato added. “He was more of a liberal type.”

“He wasn’t happy with the former administration,” he continued. “He was more happy with this administration, as far as presidential administrations.”

Politics, however, were not the motivation behind the attack:

The government contractor who killed 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard last week was driven by delusions that he was being controlled by low-frequency radio waves and scratched the words “End the torment!” on the barrel of the shotgun he used, the FBI said Wednesday, offering new, chilling details of the attack.

In 2011, a registered Democrat named James Holmes, went into a movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.

FALSE

The claim that James Holmes was a registered Democrat stems from a Breitbart article that was based on the voter registration of a different man named James Holmes. The article was eventually updated to state that Holmes may not have been registered to vote at all:

Newly-released information on the suspect’s birthdate (which, as indicated in our initial report, was a slight mismatch), combined with new details Breitbart News has obtained about the suspect’s likely addresses, together suggest that the suspect may, in fact, not have been registered to vote.

ABC News made a similar mistake when they tied Holmes to the tea party. That report also resulted in a correction:

An earlier ABC News broadcast report suggested that a Jim Holmes of a Colorado Tea Party organization might be the suspect, but that report was incorrect. Several other local residents with similar names were also contacted via social media by members of the public who mistook them for the suspect.

We found no record of Holmes’s political affiliation, if he indeed had any.

n 2010, a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner, shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 others.

FALSE

Jared Lee Loughner was a registered as an Independent in 2006 and did not vote in 2010.
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FACT CHECK: Is This List of Democrat Shooters Accurate?
 
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AirVol said:
THE LIST:
– Nidal Hasan – Ft Hood Shooter: Reg*istered Democrat and Muslim.
– Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard shooter – black liberal/Obama voter
– Seung-Hui Cho – Virginia Tech shooter: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff, registered Democrat.
– James Holmes – the “Dark Knight”/Colorado shooter: Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, #Occu*py guy,progressive liberal, hated Christians.

– Amy Bishop, the rabid leftist, killed her colleagues in Alabama, Obama supporter.
– Andrew J. Stack, flew plane into IRS building in Texas – Leftist Democrat
– James J. Lee who was the “green activist”/ leftist took hostages at Discovery Channel – progressive liberal Democrat.
– Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter – Leftist, Marxist.
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So even if we take what you say above as true, the title of the thread is "Most mass shootings are by Liberals/Democrats." Your support for this appears to taken from 6 mass shootings. The Stack and Lee incidents are not even shootings.

Seems like you got a little more work to do here since there have been over 1600 mass shootings in the past six years or so. Mass shootings in the US: there have been 1,624 in 1,870 days | US news | The Guardian
 
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Squints said:
I didn’t say the OP required anything. I’ve seen the list before, and I see no reason to believe they’re not left-leaning nutbags (at least for the most part). CWV, however, likes to play semantics and move goalposts, wherein I poked him about his contention. If he’s not contentious, then why the uproar? If you are contentious to a claim, provide a reason for why (other than, “it’s a bull**** source”). That’s how debates work, but I wouldn’t expect a liberal to know any better.

How ya been, Septic? Fishing expedition is fastly approaching.
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This is the problem with the conservative base. They read information on the internet and then just assume it's true. No intellectual effort at all. Just slander and move on.

And btw, a debate starts with someone providing a credible position supported by credible evidence. And no, some random poster on Reddit doesn't count. Challenging the source of the information is a legitimate tactic in debate.
 
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Squints said:
I didn’t say the OP required anything. I’ve seen the list before, and I see no reason to believe they’re not left-leaning nutbags (at least for the most part). CWV, however, likes to play semantics and move goalposts, wherein I poked him about his contention. If he’s not contentious, then why the uproar? If you are contentious to a claim, provide a reason for why (other than, “it’s a bull**** source”). That’s how debates work, but I wouldn’t expect a liberal to know any better.

How ya been, Septic? Fishing expedition is fastly approaching.
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I've been trolling in here all morning, just a couple of nibbles.

I leave Friday morning for the real deal.
 
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Squints said:
I thought we did.

Tump’s a muh dictator according to some of y’all.

Isn’t a rebuttal an inverse accusation? Does the same rule apply?
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You don't really understand the difference between an opinion and something stated as a fact, do you?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
You don't really understand the difference between an opinion and something stated as a fact, do you?
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You don’t understand quotations well, do you?

Go back to earlier posts and see where I clearly said - “source.”
 
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Squints said:
I didn’t say the OP required anything. I’ve seen the list before, and I see no reason to believe they’re not left-leaning nutbags (at least for the most part). CWV, however, likes to play semantics and move goalposts, wherein I poked him about his contention. If he’s not contentious, then why the uproar? If you are contentious to a claim, provide a reason for why (other than, “it’s a bull**** source”). That’s how debates work, but I wouldn’t expect a liberal to know any better.

How ya been, Septic? Fishing expedition is fastly approaching.
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And your reasoning to believe that they ARE left-leaning nutbags is....?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
This is the problem with the conservative base. They read information on the internet and then just assume it's true. No intellectual effort at all. Just slander and move on.

And btw, a debate starts with someone providing a credible position supported by credible evidence. And no, some random poster on Reddit doesn't count. Challenging the source of the information is a legitimate tactic in debate.
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I think it's a bit disingenuous to call out "the conservative base" specifically. There's too much of this goes on across the political spectrum. Hell, there's too much of this going on period, political or otherwise.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Is it your opinion that there is a difference? Or, is it a fact? If it is both, is there a difference?
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There is absolutely a difference.

I can say Trump is a bad president. Opinion, no support needed. We can disagree and bring facts and source information to the discussion later, but as an initial proposition it needs no support.

Compare that with
James Holmes – the “Dark Knight”/Colorado shooter: Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, #Occu*py guy,progressive liberal, hated Christians.
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Several facts in that proposition that would need more support than just some anonymous rando on reddit.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Mea Culpa.:hi:
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I’m not as irrational and dumbass as you’d like for me to be. And yes, I do poke sometimes, but it’s usually to arouse debate and discussion for other points of view (luther not withstanding).

I’m a conservative across the board. I haven’t been shy about making that known, but I’m not stupid. A lot of topics on here I don’t even touch because I either 1) don’t care enough about the topic, 2) I don’t have anything meaningful to inject, or 3) I don’t know enough about the topic to provide an opinion or substantive dialogue.

:hi:
 
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Squints said:
I’m not as irrational and dumbass as you’d like for me to be. And yes, I do poke sometimes, but it’s usually to arouse debate and discussion for other points of view (luther not withstanding).

I’m a conservative across the board. I haven’t been shy about making that known, but I’m not stupid. A lot of topics on here I don’t even touch because I either 1) don’t care enough about the topic, 2) I don’t have anything meaningful to inject, or 3) I don’t know enough about the topic to provide an opinion or substantive dialogue.

:hi:
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You surely see the issue however with “I’ve seen the list before, and I see no reason to believe they’re not left-leaning nutbags ”

I mean, do you just take these memes/internet pics at face value and believe them when it describes people you don’t like?
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
And your reasoning to believe that they ARE left-leaning nutbags is....?
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-Reported political tendencies (voter registration etc.)
-Victims attacked (the GOP baseball practice last summer, for one)
-Demographics
-Familial accounts

The nutbag portion stands on its own merit.
 
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Squints said:
-Reported political tendencies (voter registration etc.)
-Victims attacked (the GOP baseball practice last summer, for one)
-Demographics
-Familial accounts

The nutbag portion stands on its own merit.
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I have shown that the 3/4 were complete garbage, but you're just accepting the info without giving it the slightest thought because it places democrats in a bad light.
 
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Septic said:
Ah well, if it seems true - then case closed, it's true.

iron e
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i know specifically of two of the above cases where they were registered democrats, and none of the others I remembered one way or the other.
 
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