Most mass shootings are by Liberals/Democrats

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ClearwaterVol said:
There is absolutely a difference.

I can say Trump is a bad president. Opinion, no support needed. We can disagree and bring facts and source information to the discussion later, but as an initial proposition it needs no support.

Compare that with


Several facts in that proposition that would need more support than just some anonymous rando on reddit.
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You can say that Trump is a bad President, but you would be wrong.
 
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Squints said:
-Reported political tendencies (voter registration etc.)
-Victims attacked (the GOP baseball practice last summer, for one)
-Demographics
-Familial accounts

The nutbag portion stands on its own merit.
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So basically you read a list like the OP posted (with zero sources and no further research on your own to confirm any of it) and other than the ONE attack that can be linked to a partisan attack, and your conclusion is you have no reason to believe that the gunman are NOT leftwing nutjobs. Got it.

I guess by your logic I can just assume because the Parkland High shooter had ties to right wing white seperatists and Democrat Gabrielle Giffords' shooter was big into the Tea Party that all mass shooters are racist, right-wing nutjobs.

But something tells me you would take issue with how I came to said conclusion.
 
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LouderVol said:
i know specifically of two of the above cases where they were registered democrats, and none of the others I remembered one way or the other.
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I'm a registered republican. :)

I vote independently.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
So basically you read a list like the OP posted (with zero sources and no further research on your own to confirm any of it) and other than the ONE attack that can be linked to a partisan attack, and your conclusion is you have no reason to believe that the gunman are NOT leftwing nutjobs. Got it.

I guess by your logic I can just assume because the Parkland High shooter had ties to right wing white seperatists and Democrat Gabrielle Giffords' shooter was big into the Tea Party that all mass shooters are racist, right-wing nutjobs.

But something tells me you would take issue with how I came to said conclusion.
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Luther? That you?

Did you read a single one of the reasons I gave? Hell no, you didn’t.

Where would I get that information? Only from reddit or some other blog? Or is that the angle you want to push to foist your agenda?

I’ll go with the latter.
 
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Squints said:
Luther? That you?

Did you read a single one of the reasons I gave. Hell no, you didn’t.

Where would I get that information? Only from reddit or some other blog? Or is that the angle you want to push to foist your agenda?

I’ll go with the latter.
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WTF are you talking about?

You literally just said you had no reason to believe that gunmen were NOT left-wing nutjobs, and the "reasons" you gave were most certainly gotten from lists like the OP posted. And said list was mostly debunked AND I just gave you 2 examples where the gunman was NOT a left-wing nutjob, quite the opposite. Do you even understand the point of my post?
 
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roosterjbh said:
You surely see the issue however with “I’ve seen the list before, and I see no reason to believe they’re not left-leaning nutbags ”

I mean, do you just take these memes/internet pics at face value and believe them when it describes people you don’t like?
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Apparently the answer to your second question is yes, even though he's swearing it's not.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
WTF are you talking about?

You literally just said you had no reason to believe that gunmen were NOT left-wing nutjobs, and the "reasons" you gave were most certainly gotten from lists like the OP posted. And said list was mostly debunked AND I just gave you 2 examples where the gunman was NOT a left-wing nutjob, quite the opposite. Do you even understand the point of my post?
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I can’t get my head anywhere near my ass, much less up it, so, no.
 
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really only finding circular references. even snopes says most of the list is unproven.FACT CHECK: Is This List of Democrat Shooters Accurate? the claim at the top is mostly false, but as with most Snopes articles if you read it the body tells a different story (unproven)

the interesting thing is the messed up in the head aspect is much easier to find information on. Profile: Aurora cinema shooting killer James Holmes - BBC News
Killer's manifesto: 'You forced me into a corner' - CNN.com
FayObserver.com - Robert Stewart guilty of 2nd-degree murder, sentenced to life in prison

unfortunately most of the articles and whatnot are no longer on the web
 
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Septic said:
I'm a registered republican. :)

I vote independently.
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thats why you are allowed to own guns.

and that is also why I expanded on that statement to cover the left leaning as well as actual registration is meaningless.
 
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Do many mass shooters 'end up being Democrats', as Rep. Tenney said? No | PolitiFact New York

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Tenney said, "Many of these people that commit the mass murders end up being Democrats."

There’s no proof to support that claim. The political affiliation of most of the mass shooters we looked at was either unreported or never verified. Experts said these events are rarely motivated by politics to begin with.

Tenney walked back her claim later that day in a statement, saying "we know the perpetrators of these atrocities have a wide variety of political views."

We rate her claim Pants on Fire!
 
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I'm willing to bet most of these shooters were too deranged to even be highly involved enough in politics to vote. Speculation on what political party they may have belonged to seems like a waste of time. Crazy people are crazy people
 
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joevol33 said:
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This is what I'm talking about. Off the bat, Gifford's shooter wasn't registered Democrat, and he was heavy into Tea Party/right wing at the time of his attack.

And you seriously believe the Charleston Shooter was a registered Democrat? ROFL.
 
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joevol33 said:
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There is no evidence that the Columbine kids were liberal. They weren't old enough to vote. I know you're relying on the parents were liberal therefore the kid must be argument. That isn't a great predictor because kids often rebel against the parents. Also, they lived in an affluent area and Dad was a retired military pilot. More likely he falls in the staunch conservative crowd.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
There is no evidence that the Columbine kids were liberal. They weren't old enough to vote. I know you're relying on the parents were liberal therefore the kid must be argument. That isn't a great predictor because kids often rebel against the parents. Also, they lived in an affluent area and Dad was a retired military pilot. More likely he falls in the staunch conservative crowd.
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Most of the list is crap. Yet it gets passed around on social media and liked and it becomes truth.

What's that phrase they like to use...oh yeah..."fake news".
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
This is the problem with the conservative base. They read information on the internet and then just assume it's true. No intellectual effort at all. Just slander and move on.

And btw, a debate starts with someone providing a credible position supported by credible evidence. And no, some random poster on Reddit doesn't count. Challenging the source of the information is a legitimate tactic in debate.
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And that is different from you clowns, how again?

I guess Wolf Blitzer and Rachael Maddow are credible in your eyes.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I am not what would be considered 'conservative'. Nice shot though.
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ClearwaterVol said:
This is the problem with the conservative base. They read information on the internet and then just assume it's true. No intellectual effort at all. Just slander and move on.

And btw, a debate starts with someone providing a credible position supported by credible evidence. And no, some random poster on Reddit doesn't count. Challenging the source of the information is a legitimate tactic in debate.
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Pinning that to one side or the other is naive on a special level.
 
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