Most underrated coach in the country?

Most underrated coach in the country?

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#26
#26
braths said:
Ferentz is drastically overpaid and overrated. Paul Johnson and Chris Petersen have done better than Ferentz with less talented teams.
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2006
40 Iowa
57 Georgia Tech
70 Boise State

2007
18 Georgia Tech
28 Iowa
68 Boise State

2008
49 Georgia Tech
53 Iowa
89 Boise State

2009
49 Georgia Tech
63 Iowa
72 Boise State

Georgia Tech looks to have better recruits on paper so if Iowa has better recruits then that just means Ferentz does a better job of recruiting.

02 Iowa(11-2) vs USC(11-2) Lost 38-17
03 Iowa(10-3) vs Florida(8-5) Won 37-17
04 Iowa(10-2) vs LSU(9-3) Won 30-25
05 Iowa(7-5) vs Florida(9-3) Lost 31-24
06 Iowa(6-7) vs Texas(10-3) Lost 26-24
07 Iowa(6-6)
08 Iowa(9-4) vs S. Carolina(7-6) Won 31-10
09 Iowa (10-2) vs ?????

People give Iowa hard time for playing down to their competition but don't credit them for playing up to their competition. Looking at Kirk Ferentz's recruiting classes I think it's obvious why he is underrated. Give him Miles or Richts talent and I think he does what they can't, win a championship.
 
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#27
#27
KB5252 said:
And Boise has better talent as well. I agree that Petersen gets paid less for what he does and obviously evaluates recruits better. That does not mean he is underrated, it just means he is paid less. If he was at a better school he would be paid more, obviously.

I still don't see how anyone can say Petersen is underrated, he is talked about in the same sentences with many of the big boys. The same cannot be said about Johnson or TCU's head coach and both are just as good if not better.
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He's very underrated. 46 wins in his first 50 games. None of the big name coaches can say that, and, yet, he still doesn't get nearly as much press as his big school counterparts such as Saban, Meyer, and Carroll.
 
#28
#28
braths said:
Absurd. How is Chris Petersen overrated? Boise State doesn't recruit the same talent level as the powerhouse programs in the country, and yet, he still manages to win.

However, my vote goes to Paul Johnson.
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With the exception of the Oklahoma game a few years go, Petersen hasn't done anything better than his predecessor.
 
#30
#30
braths said:
He's very underrated. 46 wins in his first 50 games. None of the big name coaches can say that, and, yet, he still doesn't get nearly as much press as his big school counterparts such as Saban, Meyer, and Carroll.
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He didn't build a craphole into a team like that. He took a team that was already winning 90% of their games, already had superior talent to the competition, and kept the momentum going.
 
#31
#31
Wimberlake said:
Georgia Tech looks to have better recruits on paper so if Iowa has better recruits then that just means Ferentz does a better job of recruiting.
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PJ is in his 2nd year as GT's coach and has players that aren't necessarily recruited for his scheme. Doesn't really mean a whole lot

Wimberlake said:
Give them Miles or Richts talent and I think he does what they can't, win a championship.
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pretty sure Miles has a NC on his resume
 
#32
#32
Wimberlake said:
2006
40 Iowa
57 Georgia Tech
70 Boise State

2007
18 Georgia Tech
28 Iowa
68 Boise State

2008
49 Georgia Tech
53 Iowa
89 Boise State

2009
49 Georgia Tech
63 Iowa
72 Boise State

Georgia Tech looks to have better recruits on paper so if Iowa has better recruits then that just means Ferentz does a better job of recruiting.

02 Iowa(11-2) vs USC(11-2) Lost 38-17
03 Iowa(10-3) vs Florida(8-5) Won 37-17
04 Iowa(10-2) vs LSU(9-3) Won 30-25
05 Iowa(7-5) vs Florida(9-3) Lost 31-24
06 Iowa(6-7) vs Texas(10-3) Lost 26-24
07 Iowa(6-6)
08 Iowa(9-4) vs S. Carolina(7-6) Won 31-10
09 Iowa (10-2) vs ?????

People give Iowa hard time for playing down to their competition but don't credit them for playing up to their competition. Looking at Kirk Ferentz's recruiting classes I think it's obvious why he is underrated. Give them Miles or Richts talent and I think he does what they can't, win a championship.
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Thanks for validating the portion of my argument where Chris Petersen does more than Ferentz with lesser talent.

2006: Boise State 13-0
Iowa 6-7
2007: Boise State 10-3
Iowa 6-6
2008: Boise State 12-1
Iowa: 9-4
2009: Boise State 11-0 currently
Iowa: 10-2
 
#34
#34
utvolpj said:
PJ is in his 2nd year as GT's coach and has players that aren't necessarily recruited for his scheme. Doesn't really mean a whole lot



pretty sure Miles has a NC on his resume
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You're right. For Miles I should have said that Ferentz would never go 7-5 with the talent LSU has.
 
#35
#35
braths said:
He's very underrated. 46 wins in his first 50 games. None of the big name coaches can say that.
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Dan Hawkins won 45 games in the four years prior to handing the program over to Peterson.

You think he's underrated?
 
#36
#36
Wimberlake said:
You're right. For Miles I should have said that Ferentz would never go 7-5 with the talent LSU has.
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Ferentz is playing in a Big 10 conference that's been really down for many years now and the Hawkeyes regularly schedule pathetic OOC competition. The talent deficit isn't that severe. The occasional good Ohio State, Penn State, or Michigan teams don't account for his record being barely over .500.
 
#37
#37
Wimberlake said:
You're right. For Miles I should have said that Ferentz would never go 7-5 with the talent LSU has.
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You're right. Ferentz would go 6-6 or 5-7 at best at LSU seeing as his teams play down to their competition and wouldn't get the lucky breaks in SEC games like his Iowa teams do in the Big 10.
 
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#40
#40
Jaytrain5 said:
Dan Hawkins won 45 games in the four years prior to handing the program over to Peterson.

You think he's underrated?
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Dan Hawkins is NOT a big name coach. Look at his record since he left Boise.

Petersen is a better coach than Hawkins, IMO.
 
#42
#42
chavisut said:
Recruiting is part of being a coach at a BCS school.
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Yes but nobody wants to go to Iowa. Even when they win nobody wants to go. The staff could recruit at a better school. If Saban or Meyer spent their entire career at Iowa, they wouldn't be able to recruit that well there either. They could now because they have championships on their resume. But yeah, there is no way Meyer goes from Utah to Iowa and does any better recruiting. Iowa will never be able to recruit that well unless they win a championship or they sign a coach that's won a championship. The odds of signing a coach that won a championship are slim to none. There is always Fulmer but he loses to Wyoming and stuggles with N. Illinois these days.
 
#47
#47
Wimberlake said:
Yes but nobody wants to go to Iowa. Even when they win nobody wants to go. The staff could recruit at a better school. If Saban or Meyer spent their entire career at Iowa, they wouldn't be able to recruit that well there either. They could now because they have championships on their resume. But yeah, there is no way Meyer goes from Utah to Iowa and does any better recruiting. Iowa will never be able to recruit that well unless they win a championship or they sign a coach that's won a championship. The odds of signing a coach that won a championship are slim to none. There is always Fulmer but he loses to Wyoming and stuggles with N. Illinois these days.
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How has Northwestern done in recruiting lately? Ferentz has managed to post a better record than Northwestern (the Vanderbilt of the Big 10) only five years out of ten in his career at Iowa.
 
#48
#48
Wimberlake said:
Looking at Kirk Ferentz's recruiting classes I think it's obvious why he is underrated. Give him Miles or Richts talent and I think he does what they can't, win a championship.
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#1. Give any coach in the Big 10 the talent Miles has had at LSU, and they win a championship. Even Les Miles won a National Championship.

#2. Since when has being a mediocre recruiter give you an excuse? Isn't that what adds to a coach being great?
 
#50
#50
braths said:
You're right. Ferentz would go 6-6 or 5-7 at best at LSU seeing as his teams play down to their competition and wouldn't get the lucky breaks in SEC games like his Iowa teams do in the Big 10.
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Yeah right. Ohio State and Penn State are in the top 15 like every year in recruiting. Did you see where Iowa's recruiting classes ranked over the last four years? Like 50th. Kirk Ferentz is beating them with recruiting classes that average like 2.30 star players. I'm pretty he could win with LSU's talent in the SEC considering he has beaten Florida(Urban) and LSU(Miles) with his piss poor talent. They blew South Carolina(Spurrier) out. At 6-6 they almost beat 9-3 Texas(Mack).

So Ferentz competes with some of best coaches in the country with the poor talent he has at Iowa but would do worse with LSU's talent. I see your point.
 
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