Most underrated coach in the country?

Most underrated coach in the country?

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#51
#51
Two of the coaches in this poll are overrated. The other two are Gary Patterson and Paul Johnson.
 
#55
#55
Wimberlake said:
Yeah right. Ohio State and Penn State are in the top 15 like every year in recruiting.
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Do they play those two teams 11 times throughout the season? What's the excuse for sucking against the rest of that mediocre to awful conference?
 
#59
#59
braths said:
He's already won a BCS game at Boise, something Hawkins never did, and he has beaten a superior Oregon team two years in a row.
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He won that bowl the year after Hawkins left. Since then, he's lost all his bowl games.
 
#60
#60
Wimberlake said:
Yeah right. Ohio State and Penn State are in the top 15 like every year in recruiting. Did you see where Iowa's recruiting classes ranked over the last four years? Like 50th. Kirk Ferentz is beating them with recruiting classes that average like 2.30 star players. I'm pretty he could win with LSU's talent in the SEC considering he has beaten Florida(Urban) and LSU(Miles) with his piss poor talent. They blew South Carolina(Spurrier) out. At 6-6 they almost beat 9-3 Texas(Mack).

So Ferentz competes with some of best coaches in the country with the poor talent he has at Iowa but would do worse with LSU's talent. I see your point.
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He's competed against two good coaches (Urban and Mack Brown) and beat Urban. Spurrier is on the tail end of his career with a mediocre program and Miles is not that good of a coach.
 
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#61
#61
braths said:
He's already won a BCS game at Boise, something Hawkins never did, and he has beaten a superior Oregon team two years in a row.
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Oh, he won a BCS bowl the year after taking over as the HC. Larry Coker won the NC his first year after taking over for Butch Davis. I guess you'll tell me Coker is a better coach than Davis.
 
#62
#62
kptvol said:
How has Northwestern done in recruiting lately? Ferentz has managed to post a better record than Northwestern (the Vanderbilt of the Big 10) only five years out of ten in his career at Iowa.
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It took Ferentz a couple years to turn Iowa back around. Hayden Fry left the cupboard empty. Fry was 3-8 in his last year. Iowa went 7-5 in Ferentz's 3rd year and 11-2 in his 4th year. Iowa was a few seconds away from going to the National Championship. They led Iowa State all game before Iowa State came back to hand them their only single loss of the season. Look at Hayden Fry's career, the guy is in the hall of fame and his trend of winning isn't any better than Ferentz's. He did win a championship. I am not saying Kirk Ferentz is amazing but everyone says he sucks. I am sorry but the guy is underrated. He has similar numbers to Hayden Fry and Tommy Tuberville but for some reason he is bad and they are good. I don't get it. In 20 seasons Fry only won 10 games three times. In 11 seasons Ferentz has won 10 games four times. Won of the seasons was 11 wins.

Everyone is free to think Ferentz sucks but I just don't think he does.
 
#63
#63
kptvol said:
Hawkins also was too afraid to pull out the Statue of Liberty play.
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What does that have to do with Petersen winning a BCS game? As I recall, Boise didn't even sniff a BCS game with Hawkins at the helm. Since Petersen took over, Boise has been in the BCS hunt every year.
 
#64
#64
chavisut said:
Oh, he won a BCS bowl the year after taking over as the HC. Larry Coker won the NC his first year after taking over for Butch Davis. I guess you'll tell me Coker is a better coach than Davis.
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No I won't. Coker was definitely NOT a better coach than Davis.
 
#65
#65
braths said:
He's already won a BCS game at Boise, something Hawkins never did, and he has beaten a superior Oregon team two years in a row.
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. . . maybe because Boise wasn't "Boise" like they are today. They had just joined the WAC when Dan Hawkins was hired as head coach. He built a reputation, with Petersen as OC to make Boise in a BCS bowl even possible. Don't act like Hawkins failed at Boise State because he never reached a BCS bowl.
 
#66
#66
braths said:
He's already won a BCS game at Boise, something Hawkins never did, and he has beaten a superior Oregon team two years in a row.
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He lost to Washington, Hawaii, and East Carolina all in the same season.

The guy's a modern day Lombardi.
 
#67
#67
braths said:
What does that have to do with Petersen winning a BCS game? As I recall, Boise didn't even sniff a BCS game with Hawkins at the helm. Since Petersen took over, Boise has been in the BCS hunt every year.
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You recall wrong.
 
#68
#68
Wimberlake said:
It took Ferentz a couple years to turn Iowa back around. Hayden Fry left the cupboard empty. Fry was 3-8 in his last year. Iowa went 7-5 in Ferentz's 3rd year and 11-2 in his 4th year. Iowa was a few seconds away from going to the National Championship. They led Iowa State all game before Iowa State came back to hand them their only single loss of the season. Look at Hayden Fry's career, the guy is in the hall of fame and his trend of winning isn't any better than Ferentz's. He did win a championship. I am not saying Kirk Ferentz is amazing but everyone says he sucks. I am sorry but the guy is underrated. He has similar numbers to Hayden Fry and Tommy Tuberville but for some reason he is bad and they are good. I don't get it. In 20 seasons Fry only won 10 games three times. In 11 seasons Ferentz has won 10 games four times. Won of the seasons was 11 wins.

Everyone is free to think Ferentz sucks but I just don't think he does.
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The guy is 4-4 against Northwestern. He took his best team (one with several future pros) and lost to a pathetic Iowa State team. They then went on to be bent over by USC.
 
#69
#69
XtennesseeX said:
. . . maybe because Boise wasn't "Boise" like they are today. They had just joined the WAC when Dan Hawkins was hired as head coach. He built a reputation, with Petersen as OC to make Boise in a BCS bowl even possible. Don't act like Hawkins failed at Boise State because he never reached a BCS bowl.
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Point out where I said specifically that Hawkins failed. I don't think he failed. I am simply explaining why I believe that Petersen is the better coach.
 
#71
#71
braths said:
Point out where I said specifically that Hawkins failed. I don't think he failed. I am simply explaining why I believe that Petersen is the better coach.
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Peterson doesn't get to go to the BCS bowl without Hawkins building Boise's reputation up with several years of success.
 
#72
#72
braths said:
Point out where I said specifically that Hawkins failed. I don't think he failed. I am simply explaining why I believe that Petersen is the better coach.
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Hawkins is the coach that brought Boise State to the level they were at to be able to make the BCS in Peterson's first year. If Boise hadn't had so much success in the previous four years, they wouldn't have sniffed the BCS that year.
 
#73
#73
braths said:
What does that have to do with Petersen winning a BCS game? As I recall, Boise didn't even sniff a BCS game with Hawkins at the helm. Since Petersen took over, Boise has been in the BCS hunt every year.
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Partially because of what Hawkins had done before.

2002: 12-1
2003: 13-1
2004: 11-1

If Petersen had those three seasons in a row today, he would get to play in a BCS bowl potentially a couple of times. When Hawkins was there, not so much.
 
#74
#74
braths said:
Point out where I said specifically that Hawkins failed. I don't think he failed. I am simply explaining why I believe that Petersen is the better coach.
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You're using the argument that Hawkins never sniffed a BCS bowl to prop up Petersen.
 
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