Mr Hart VS Boosters(Power struggle)

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slickstirs said:
what part of "Gruden wasn't interested " do you not understand....
had nothing to do with money to assistants...and all these "insiders" need to wipe the egg off their faces...

NOBODY had a clue....
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that is the stupidest thing I've read on here in 5 years.
 
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rhinoblake said:
that is the stupidest thing I've read on here in 5 years.
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Is it? Same ones saying Hart dropped the ball are the same ones saying Gruden was a done deal and locked in. They did not know what they were talking about then, and I doubt they do now. People are looking for a reason to yell and today it's Dave Hart. People were played and fell into trusting some BS. That's all it is.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
It's always easier to spend someone elses money. I doubt it had to do with money. IMO, Grudens other "demands"/"outs at any time" and his wanting to wait to see what other jobs came available is what stopped the talks. You can't just give the man anything he wants. Dave Hart did the right thing with UT's best interest in mind. I have no doubt about it.
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No, instead lets just be stuck with another mid-major project for a coach and continue in sub-mediocrity. Again, you can't win the lottery if you don't even buy a ticket. Rarely in life can you get huge rewards without taking some big risks as well. We're to the point of needing to swing for the fences and pray we knock it out of the park. We've sucked so bad for the past few years that an infield single simply isn't going to cut it at this point.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
You think Hart is going to reveal where he screwed it up? That's why they went into denial mode today. If there was indeed no offer made. No communications until yesterday, then Hart should be fired. That's 10 days of sitting on his keester....while other teams are hard after it, in their coaching searches.
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If Hart is responsible he will be fired.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Is it? Same ones saying Hart dropped the ball are the same ones saying Gruden was a done deal and locked in. They did not know what they were talking about then, and I doubt they do now. People are looking for a reason to yell and today it's Dave Hart. People were played and fell into trusting some BS. That's all it is.
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Yeah, by an AD who made it seem like UT was going to go out and pay for a coach this time. WRONG. We're now at a point where the best candidates are now Strong, Fedora, or Gus Malzahn. That's the CEILING. Pretty disheartening IMO. If we hire one of those guys we'll still have one of the 3 or 4 worst coaches in the conference, and nothing will have changed since the Dooley regime other than the faces on the sideline.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Like I said, Hart promised in his press conference that money wasn't going to be the reason we didn't get a good coach. Barely 10 days later and it's starting to look like money may have in fact been one of the big sticking points in negotiations with the best available coach this season. If from the outset he had warned us that our current financial situation may cause us to have to go bargain hunting that would be one thing. Instead he fed us all a bunch of BS and ended up going the cheap route after all.
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Every statement is subject to the bounds of reason.* We don't know what, if anything, Gruden demanded, but what if it had been $10M? Plus another $10M for his staff? Surely you'd say that was excessive, and Hart should have turned him down. (At least I hope you would.)

Money ain't free and it ain't limitless, and at UT these days it's in short supply. So even when Dave Hart says "Money won't be the limiting factor," that's not an absolute, and nobody with any sense would think so. Saying "we've got plenty of money to do this deal" isn't the same as saying "we'll pay whatever it takes." Nobody in the real world would say the latter.

A $2M gap is a whole bunch of money, and I continue to be baffled that so many people on here seem to think otherwise.



*Except on volnation.com
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
It's always easier to spend someone elses money. I doubt it had to do with money. IMO, Grudens other "demands"/"outs at any time" and his wanting to wait to see what other jobs came available is what stopped the talks. You can't just give the man anything he wants. Dave Hart did the right thing with UT's best interest in mind. I have no doubt about it.
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I have 2 close buddies that are UF and UGA alums. Both of them said they would take Gruden over their current head coaches. This was a once in a life time hire and I can't ****ing believe he screwed this up!!!
 
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duuuuuuuuuuuuude said:
Every statement is subject to the bounds of reason.* We don't know what, if anything, Gruden demanded, but what if it had been $10M? Plus another $10M for his staff? Surely you'd say that was excessive, and Hart should have turned him down. (At least I hope you would.)

Money ain't free and it ain't limitless, and at UT these days it's in short supply. So even when Dave Hart says "Money won't be the limiting factor," that's not an absolute, and nobody with any sense would think so. Saying "we've got plenty of money to do this deal" isn't the same as saying "we'll pay whatever it takes." Nobody in the real world would say the latter.

A $2M gap is a whole bunch of money, and I continue to be baffled that so many people on here seem to think otherwise.



*Except on volnation.com
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Not really. If UT could have reasonably come up with the money they should have paid it. I agree with Clay Travis' thoughts that Nick Saban is actually one of the most UNDERPAID coaches in college sports. If you get a coach who can win big, it more than pays for itself in ticket sales, concessions, merchandise, etc.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Is it? Same ones saying Hart dropped the ball are the same ones saying Gruden was a done deal and locked in. They did not know what they were talking about then, and I doubt they do now. People are looking for a reason to yell and today it's Dave Hart. People were played and fell into trusting some BS. That's all it is.
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It is. To set there and say there was no interest. Please. Go beyond what people are telling you and go find out for yourself. Talk to the people that worked on this before they had to let the departments start working on it and turn this into a PR nightmare.

Yes people are very upset and they should be. Our University thinks less of itself than we the fans do.
 
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Silky_Johnson said:
I have 2 close buddies that are UF and UGA alums. Both of them said they would take Gruden over their current head coaches. This was a once in a life time hire and I can't ****ing believe he screwed this up!!!
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I don't think he did screw it up. You have to draw the line somewhere and Hart did. I guess I was just not as sold as everyone else on Gruden being the savior.
 
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This had nothing to do with $$$$ for assistant coaches. Had everything to do with relinquishing control of football operations to a guy who is hard to deal with behind closed doors.
 
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VolsFan5 said:
This had nothing to do with $$$$ for assistant coaches. Had everything to do with relinquishing control of football operations to a guy who is hard to deal with behind closed doors.
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+1

Jon Gruden is not better than UT football. If he wanted the job and was reasonable in his demands, he would have already been named head coach.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Not really. If UT could have reasonably come up with the money they should have paid it. I agree with Clay Travis' thoughts that Nick Saban is actually one of the most UNDERPAID coaches in college sports. If you get a coach who can win big, it more than pays for itself in ticket sales, concessions, merchandise, etc.
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That is utterly insane. The total expenses of the UT football program were just over $17M. You're talking about nearly doubling that, just on coaches' salaries.

We may just have to respectfully disagree on this one.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I don't think he did screw it up. You have to draw the line somewhere and Hart did. I guess I was just not as sold as everyone else on Gruden being the savior.
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Not willing to pay a decent salary for a winner. Yeah, that's the line in the sand I'd like our AD to be drawing. Meanwhile, the rest of the SEC will continue to engage in a fiscal arms race for coaches that UT flat out refuses to participate in.
 
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Hubbs just said on 104.5 that he thinks Gruden was never #1 on Dave Harts list. Hubbs thinks Jimbo Fisher has always been Harts target.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Not willing to pay a decent salary for a winner. Yeah, that's the line in the sand I'd like our AD to be drawing. Meanwhile, the rest of the SEC will continue to engage in a fiscal arms race for coaches that UT flat out refuses to participate in.
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There's a difference between being willing to pay a competitive salary, and caving to whatever demands a coach makes. This a wide gulf between not paying market price, and not having the highest paid coach and the highest paid staff in the country -- both by a wide margin.
 
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duuuuuuuuuuuuude said:
That is utterly insane. The total expenses of the UT football program were just over $17M. You're talking about nearly doubling that, just on coaches' salaries.

We may just have to respectfully disagree on this one.
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How much money would you guess UT has left of the table in ticket sale, concessions, etc. the past three seasons because the football team is now a laughingstock? We're not going to get out of our current state by bargain hunting again. It's just pissing more money away. Eventually the time comes to just bite the bullet and get somebody who is capable of fixing things.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
How much money would you guess UT has left of the table in ticket sale, concessions, etc. the past three seasons because the football team is now a laughingstock? We're not going to get out of our current state by bargain hunting again. It's just pissing more money away. Eventually the time comes to just bite the bullet and get somebody who is capable of fixing things.
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It's a false dichotomy. There's plenty of ground between "bargain-hunting" and "spending money like Pacman Jones." That middle ground is where I want my AD to be.
 
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duuuuuuuuuuuuude said:
There's a difference between being willing to pay a competitive salary, and caving to whatever demands a coach makes. This a wide gulf between not paying market price, and not having the highest paid coach and the highest paid staff in the country -- both by a wide margin.
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UT plays in the toughest conference in the nation, and of the schools who have yearly championship expectations, UT is BY FAR the toughest job due to the nearly non-existence of in-state talent. I don't think it's unreasonable to think UT would need to have the highest paid coach in the country if it were truly serious about being an annual contender.
 
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