Mr Hart VS Boosters(Power struggle)

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bleedorange0037 said:
Not willing to pay a decent salary for a winner. Yeah, that's the line in the sand I'd like our AD to be drawing. Meanwhile, the rest of the SEC will continue to engage in a fiscal arms race for coaches that UT flat out refuses to participate in.
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Decent salary? I have NO DOUBT hart would have paid Gruden 4.5-5.25 million a year. 3.75 million a year for a staff I would be fine with. NO WAY do I think Gruden should have been offered more money than Saban. Gruden wins a national title in college and we could talk about it. We are hiring a guy to coach in college and recruit NOT coach in the NFL.

I would have you note that UF just hired a HC for 2.75 million a year. Texas A&M hired a guy for 2.1 million. Offering an UNPROVEN college HC 4-5 million + is more than "decent" IMO.

I think it was more his "demands" and timeframe than money that stopped the deal.
 
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lebanonvolunteer said:
decent salary? I have no doubt hart would have paid gruden 4.5-5.25 million a year. 3.75 million a year for a staff i would be fine with. No way do i think gruden should have been offered more money than saban. Gruden wins a national title in college and we could talk about it. We are hiring a guy to coach in college and recruit not coach in the nfl.

I would have you note that uf just hired a hc for 2.75 million a year. Texas a&m hired a guy for 2.1 million. Offering an unproven college hc 4-5 million + is more than "decent" imo.

I think it was more his "demands" and timeframe than money that stopped the deal.
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qft
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Decent salary? I have NO DOUBT hart would have paid Gruden 4.5-5.25 million a year. 3.75 million a year for a staff I would be fine with. NO WAY do I think Gruden should have been offered more money than Saban. Gruden wins a national title in college and we could talk about it. We are hiring a guy to coach in college and recruit NOT coach in the NFL.

I would have you note that UF just hired a HC for 2.75 million a year. Texas A&M hired a guy for 2.1 million. Offering an UNPROVEN college HC 4-5 million + is more than "decent" IMO.

I think it was more his "demands" and timeframe than money that stopped the deal.
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A SB winning coach isn't going to come coach college and be anything other than handsomely rewarded for it. It's more work than an NFL job, so I think it would be a given that UT would have to get into the ballpark of what an NFL job would pay just to get their hat truly in the ring.

Like I mentioned in my previous post, given the difficulty of this job relative to fan expectations and conference foes, I don't think it's that much of a stretch to think UT should expect to have to pay as much if not more than any other school in the nation if they are truly serious about winning. If penny-pinching, academics, or something else have now become the primary focus of the AD, that's fine, but at least give the fanbase a head's up so they will know that their expectations of competing in the SEC are outrageous.
 
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Football in the SEC is a business and like any business you must spend it to make it. I know you must make every dollar count but if your worried spending quarters to make dollars then you will never succeed. Our neighbors to the south have proven that the right hire pays off big.
 
#56
#56
Maybe Hart has half a brain and knew what everyone else in the world seemed to know...Gruden was a pipedream. Why waste the effort?
 
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grace2u said:
Maybe Hart has half a brain and knew what everyone else in the world seemed to know...Gruden was a pipedream. Why waste the effort?
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So was winning the Powerball jackpot for those people that won it this week. I bet they're pretty glad they put forth the minimal effort required to go down and buy a ticket. Same deal with Gruden. It was always unlikely, but to not get him because our AD didn't even take a shot is pathetic.
 
#58
#58
F.UCK DAVE HART!!!!!! There is no power struggle. The Boosters/Haslam shoot kick Harts AZZ out of Tennessee(entire state).

Go Vols!
 
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grace2u said:
Maybe Hart has half a brain and knew what everyone else in the world seemed to know...Gruden was a pipedream. Why waste the effort?
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Gruden and or his agent has lead alot of other teams down the same path to alot of wasted time. With UT claiming no money was discussed(who knows if true or not), then I would think the "demands" checklist was enough to squash the chance. That is where most teams have stopped talking to Gruden. Maybe Hart or the Boosters were smart for not wasting anymore of our time with something that was not a good idea.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
UT plays in the toughest conference in the nation, and of the schools who have yearly championship expectations, UT is BY FAR the toughest job due to the nearly non-existence of in-state talent. I don't think it's unreasonable to think UT would need to have the highest paid coach in the country if it were truly serious about being an annual contender.
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Gruden truly has the most to lose. As of right now he can name his price at any college/NFL team.

What happen if he comes in here and loses because his hands are tied or just a couple of ruff years and Tennessee let's him go. His stock would drop by 50% maybe more. And from the way we treated our HOF coach Fulmer why would Gruden expect anything different.

If Gruden didn't win here his career might be over as a coach.
 
#61
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This reminds me of the old westerns. The town hires a hired gun to come in and take out the town bully. The only problem is they go cheap and watch their guy get shot down in the middle of the street.

Saban is the Bully you want to get rid of him you are going to have to pay for it.
 
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Big_Orange_Fan said:
Gruden truly has the most to lose. As of right now he can name his price at any college/NFL team.

What happen if he comes in here and loses because his hands are tied or just a couple of ruff years and Tennessee let's him go. His stock would drop by 50% maybe more. And from the way we treated our HOF coach Fulmer why would Gruden expect anything different.

If Gruden didn't win here his career might be over as a coach.
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He's still have TV as a fallback where he could make nearly as much money for a fraction of the work. Coaching may be where his heart truly is, but it's not like he'll be going hungry if things don't work out. His top candidates for NFL jobs are the Eagles and Chargers. Those two organizations are disasters, and far from a sure thing.
 
#63
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MFL said:
Why are we hung up on a couple of million for assistants? Mind boggling. Is Hart just incompetant and afraid to have a rock star on his turf? Perhaps Gruden was never on Hart's list. The longer Hart remains silent the more guilty he appears. The stink from this is just starting.
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Chris Lowe said on 104.5 that Gruden was never #1 on Hart's list. Lowe went on to say that Gruden was the fans #1, some of the boosters #1 and some ex players #1. I think one of the ex-players was Manning.

I can't believe that we are this close to Gruden and not going to get him.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
And you or noone else can guarantee that ANY hire Hart makes turns out to be bad. Kirby Smart could be hired and win 9 games next year. Al Golden could be hired and win 10. You can't judge a man until he has put in the work and did the job or failed at trying.
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LMMFAO righhht...
 
#65
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I think your trying to find something that is not there. Gruden was not hired. Hart does not need to explain anything.
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The one who originally hired Hart should be the one having to explain. That was one of the dumbest AD hires ever. You dont hire a grad of your biggest rival to run the AD at your university.
 
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allvol123 said:
Not an insider by any means but someone I trust and does have people, says Hart screwed this up.
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i think hart screwed up intentionally. we'll know for sure when we finally get dooley's replacement. don't be shocked when kirby's the HC with sal as his DC
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smokey90 said:
Chris Lowe said on 104.5 that Gruden was never #1 on Hart's list. Lowe went on to say that Gruden was the fans #1, some of the boosters #1 and some ex players #1. I think one of the ex-players was Manning.

I can't believe that we are this close to Gruden and not going to get him.
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Heard some of this from someone also. Again, my belief is Hart tanked this.
 
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#68
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Decent salary? I have NO DOUBT hart would have paid Gruden 4.5-5.25 million a year. 3.75 million a year for a staff I would be fine with. NO WAY do I think Gruden should have been offered more money than Saban. Gruden wins a national title in college and we could talk about it. We are hiring a guy to coach in college and recruit NOT coach in the NFL.

I would have you note that UF just hired a HC for 2.75 million a year. Texas A&M hired a guy for 2.1 million. Offering an UNPROVEN college HC 4-5 million + is more than "decent" IMO.

I think it was more his "demands" and timeframe than money that stopped the deal.
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Gruden is going to win if he goes the college route. He attracts recruits; he attracts better coaches; he just has such a big network. Gruden has coached in two Super Bowls and has won one. Make no mistake, the Super Bowl is the crowning achievement in football. Saban could never get there. I would pay Gruden more than Saban in a heart beat.
 
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smokey90 said:
Gruden is going to win if he goes the college route. He attracts recruits; he attracts better coaches; he just has such a big network. Gruden has coached in two Super Bowls and has won one. Make no mistake, the Super Bowl is the crowning achievement in football. Saban could never get there. I would pay Gruden more than Saban in a heart beat.
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Maybe, it seems Hart and or the Boosters did not see it that way.
 
#70
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duuuuuuuuuuuuude said:
I love when people say "just a couple million."

"Just a couple million" is more than is in our reserve. Total.
It's $12 million over a six-year contract.
It's more than several very competent head coaches earn.

Two million dollars is a hell of a lot of money, bub. What is Dave Hart supposed to do? Put Peyton Manning's jockstrap under his pillow and hope the cash fairy brings it?

Sometimes I get the impression that some posters on VN think they're sh*ttin' in high cotton if their bank balance has a comma in it.
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7.2 mil + 5.1 = 12.3 mil per year x 8 yrs = 98.4 mil

This is ridiculous for a college staff if true.....people don't mind spending other people's money....
 
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Sudden Impact said:
7.2 mil + 5.1 = 12.3 mil per year x 8 yrs = 98.4 mil

This is ridiculous for a college staff if true.....people don't mind spending other people's money....
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If UT continues to spend so much less than everyone else, you can be damn sure we're going to continue to suck on a historic level. The bottom line is that with all the TV money pouring into the conference, every one of our rivals are now engaged in a financial arms race for coaches, and UT just simply refuses to participate. They've all figured it out, and UT is apparently still operating like it's the year 2000.
 
#72
#72
That was Hamilton, not Hart. There are several coaches that can do just as we'll for less. Staff and coach combined should not exceed 8 million....
 
#73
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Sudden Impact said:
That was Hamilton, not Hart. There are several coaches that can do just as we'll for less. Staff and coach combined should not exceed 8 million....
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Ah, the mentality of those who are content at the bottom of the SEC barrel. I don't know why everyone thinks UT can have a lot of success while paying their coaches less than other SEC coaches make at easier jobs. The time has come to just bite the bullet and hire a winner if we can get one. Apparently the AD doesn't feel the same way. He's still content to dumpster dive just like Hamilton.
 
#74
#74
Idk that i believe any of the rumors but if hart did screw something up we will know eventually. If the big money turns on you, you are screwed.

Just hope for the best at this point.
 
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