'25 MS QB Deuce Knight (Auburn commit)

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I trust the staff but if it were me (a mere fan, not a coach, who binge reads player forums and watches film) I take Knight’s commitment asap if he wants in. Then try to close (I know, not likely) and press for GMac. I don’t think GMac will be scared away with Knights commitment. I just don’t get that vibe from the kid.

Intrigued by both QBs but, man, doesn’t Knight seem custom-made for this offense!? Most likely will have a year or two to learn and grow before handed the ball.
Major BOOOOOOOOM for either Knight or GMac!!! What a QB room we will have!!
 
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AlcoVOLic said:
I trust the staff but if it were me (a mere fan, not a coach, who binge reads player forums and watches film) I take Knight’s commitment asap if he wants in. Then try to close (I know, not likely) and press for GMac. I don’t think GMac will be scared away with Knights commitment. I just don’t get that vibe from the kid.

Intrigued by both QBs but, man, doesn’t Knight seem custom-made for this offense!? Most likely will have a year or two to learn and grow before handed the ball.
Major BOOOOOOOOM for either Knight or GMac!!! What a QB room we will have!!
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Macintyre would fit this offense to a T. He is more in the Nico mold. Heupel will design an offense around the QBs strengths.
 
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i think this is a great problem to have....between GM, DK, and MI....one way or the other we're getting a good qb...or two.

i'm not an expert so i'll refrain from saying this one over that one, but'll just say that besides OL, i think QB is the hardest position to project to the next level. they all have seasons to play and we, nor they, have to make any decisions til next spring/summer, so there's certainly no need to rush.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i think this is a great problem to have....between GM, DK, and MI....one way or the other we're getting a good qb...or two.

i'm not an expert so i'll refrain from saying this one over that one, but'll just say that besides OL, i think QB is the hardest position to project to the next level. they all have seasons to play and we, nor they, have to make any decisions til next spring/summer, so there's certainly no need to rush.
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What if projecting QB isn’t as hard as we think? What if it’s more about the system than the person? Heupel makes it look that way for sure. While there are guys Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, etc, that would succeed in 90% of the situations in college football. To me it seems like system and environment has more to do with it than the individual. How have the Browns gone through 30 QBs in twenty years? That’s odds defying if it’s only luck. Do I actually tightly hold to this? Not really but I do think it’s a big piece of the puzzle for sure.
 
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KeepinUpWithJones said:
What if projecting QB isn’t as hard as we think? What if it’s more about the system than the person? Heupel makes it look that way for sure. While there are guys Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, etc, that would succeed in 90% of the situations in college football. To me it seems like system and environment has more to do with it than the individual. How have the Browns gone through 30 QBs in twenty years? That’s odds defying if it’s only luck. Do I actually tightly hold to this? Not really but I do think it’s a big piece of the puzzle for sure.
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So how do you know Hooker wouldn’t have succeeded in 90% of the situations? Oh you don’t. As a matter of fact your statement about Williams and Maye is pure conjecture. Take Williams. Is he in a different system than he was in OU? No. Maye is in the same system.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So how do you know Hooker wouldn’t have succeeded in 90% of the situations? Oh you don’t. As a matter of fact your statement about Williams and Maye is pure conjecture. Take Williams. Is he in a different system than he was in OU? No. Maye is in the same system.
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Compare what Hooker did at VT vs. UT. He was unsuccessful enough at VT that he transferred.

Yes, Williams is in the same system at USC as he was at OU. He was also the #1 overall recruit in America. Folks thought he’d succeed anywhere.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So how do you know Hooker wouldn’t have succeeded in 90% of the situations? Oh you don’t. As a matter of fact your statement about Williams and Maye is pure conjecture. Take Williams. Is he in a different system than he was in OU? No. Maye is in the same system.
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I wasn’t trying to make a statement about Hooker. All I’m trying to say is that our system predicates QB success. Does that mean every QB will be as successful as Hooker in our system? No, but I do think QBs in this offense are probably 2-3x more likely to produce at a high level here compared to the average NCAA D-1 program. Look at the QBs of the past decade plus under CJH as evidence of this.
 
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KeepinUpWithJones said:
I wasn’t trying to make a statement about Hooker. All I’m trying to say is that our system predicates QB success. Does that mean every QB will be as successful as Hooker in our system? No, but I do think QBs in this offense are probably 2-3x more likely to produce at a high level here compared to the average NCAA D-1 program. Look at the QBs of the past decade plus under CJH as evidence of this.
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development is also part of that. we just finally have real coaches. coaches that have a scheme, can develop, and can recruit at least as well as any other coaches we have had.

How often have we contemplated what a real coach would do with our previous talent? I don't think there is any discussion that if Heupel was our coach in 2015/2016 that we wouldn't have won the SECE at least. we have had good/great talent, just didn't have the coaches to use them. Heupel has been able to take a less talented team and do more with it. all three phases of coaching play into that.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
Compare what Hooker did at VT vs. UT. He was unsuccessful enough at VT that he transferred.

Yes, Williams is in the same system at USC as he was at OU. He was also the #1 overall recruit in America. Folks thought he’d succeed anywhere.
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Yet he stayed until Fuente flat out told him he was the backup.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
Compare what Hooker did at VT vs. UT. He was unsuccessful enough at VT that he transferred.

Yes, Williams is in the same system at USC as he was at OU. He was also the #1 overall recruit in America. Folks thought he’d succeed anywhere.
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Thinking he would succeed and saying he absolutely would are two entirely different things. Put Hooker with Riley. He wins the Heisman. Hooker wasn’t terrible at VT.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Thinking he would succeed and saying he absolutely would are two entirely different things. Put Hooker with Riley. He wins the Heisman. Hooker wasn’t terrible at VT.
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Hooker wasn't going to start the next season at VT. That's why he transferred. He was beat out by Braxton Burmeister. So he wasn't terrible, but he wasn't that good, either. When Hooker first arrived at Tennessee, coaches couldn't get him to let the ball rip. Everything had to be a safe throw. We saw it in his first spring game. Heupel absolutely changed him. Maybe Riley would have too, but you can't say that for certain. You certainly can't say he'd have won the Heisman under Riley as if that's a foregone conclusion.

Caleb Williams is a projected #1 overall pick. He was the #1 overall recruit in America. Hooker was a high 3*, low 4*, depending on service, and was drafted 68th overall. CW was much closer to a finished product coming out of high school and his upside is also higher. What Hooker has become is phenomenal and a credit to the kid, but he's not that without Heupel.
 
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