MSN/Fox News ranks SEC QBs

#51
#51
Worley was far from the worst. He wasn't very good, but the numbers do not lie:


PASSING AVG/GAME Team Cl G Att Cmp Int Pct. Yds TD Avg/G
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1. Johnny Manziel...... AM SO 13 429 300 13 69.9 4114 37 316.5
2. Aaron Murray........ UG SR 11 347 225 9 64.8 3075 26 279.5
3. Bo Wallace.......... UM JR 13 437 283 10 64.8 3346 18 257.4
4. Zach Mettenberger... LS SR 12 296 192 8 64.9 3082 22 256.8
5. AJ McCarron......... UA SR 13 336 226 7 67.3 3063 28 235.6
6. A Carta-Samuels..... VU SR 10 281 193 9 68.7 2268 11 226.8
7. James Franklin...... MO SR 11 319 198 6 62.1 2429 19 220.8
8. Connor Shaw......... SC SR 13 284 180 1 63.4 2447 24 188.2
9. Dak Prescott........ MS SO 11 267 156 7 58.4 1940 10 176.4
10.Justin Worley....... UT JR 8 196 109 8 55.6 1239 10 154.9
11.Nick Marshall....... AU JR 13 239 142 6 59.4 1976 14 152.0
12.Maxwell Smith....... UK SO 9 183 105 1 57.4 1276 9 141.8
13.Brandon Allen....... AR SO 11 258 128 10 49.6 1552 13 141.1
14.Tyler Murphy........ UF JR 9 185 112 5 60.5 1216 6 135.1
15.Jalen Whitlow....... UK SO 12 159 98 5 61.6 1035 5 86.2
 
#52
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Rooster1 said:
Worley was far from the worst. He wasn't very good, but the numbers do not lie:


PASSING AVG/GAME Team Cl G Att Cmp Int Pct. Yds TD Avg/G
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1. Johnny Manziel...... AM SO 13 429 300 13 69.9 4114 37 316.5
2. Aaron Murray........ UG SR 11 347 225 9 64.8 3075 26 279.5
3. Bo Wallace.......... UM JR 13 437 283 10 64.8 3346 18 257.4
4. Zach Mettenberger... LS SR 12 296 192 8 64.9 3082 22 256.8
5. AJ McCarron......... UA SR 13 336 226 7 67.3 3063 28 235.6
6. A Carta-Samuels..... VU SR 10 281 193 9 68.7 2268 11 226.8
7. James Franklin...... MO SR 11 319 198 6 62.1 2429 19 220.8
8. Connor Shaw......... SC SR 13 284 180 1 63.4 2447 24 188.2
9. Dak Prescott........ MS SO 11 267 156 7 58.4 1940 10 176.4
10.Justin Worley....... UT JR 8 196 109 8 55.6 1239 10 154.9
11.Nick Marshall....... AU JR 13 239 142 6 59.4 1976 14 152.0
12.Maxwell Smith....... UK SO 9 183 105 1 57.4 1276 9 141.8
13.Brandon Allen....... AR SO 11 258 128 10 49.6 1552 13 141.1
14.Tyler Murphy........ UF JR 9 185 112 5 60.5 1216 6 135.1
15.Jalen Whitlow....... UK SO 12 159 98 5 61.6 1035 5 86.2
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Facts, numbers and stats just aren't gonna sway guys on here that think Worley was the worst QB, even though he wasn't. Plus, the idea that guys who were statistically worse than Worley, didn't lead their team to a signature win over a top 5 team or havent even started an SEC game.....the idea that they've proven more in the league than Worley is absolutely, utterly ridiculous.
 
#53
#53
In year two I believe Worley shows why he was Gatorade player of the year.....I mean honestly we should have won 7 or 8 ball games last year....if Worley plays the entire fl game, uga was crazy( the football gods paid them back for that one) and vandy b.s. calls so and that was with no true seasoned Sec weapons now u got Marquez a sophomore, pig, von -stud, malone- stud, wharton- stud, croom- potential breakout player, tight ends that are grown men, an underrated marlin lane and Hurd, plus Scott if the d plays decent not great or good decent we should get 6, 7 if we over achieve and 8 if the o-line dominates
 
#54
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Monkey Wrench said:
he was the worst in the league last year....I think you all forget how bad he really was.
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This. Even in his best games, he ranked at or near the bottom of SEC QBs in terms of completion percentage and yards per completion. In his career, against FBS teams, he has 8 touchdowns and 15 interceptions.

We can hope that he has some kind of miraculous turnaround this year, but I certainly can't argue with ranking him near the bottom of SEC QBs at this point.
 
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#55
Worley may not be the 14th worst QB for 2014, but he didn't show much of anything last year to rank him any higher than 10th IMO.

And people should stop pointing to the South Carolina game. Worley played QB in that game and didn't turn the ball over, that's about as much as you can say. I think that is far from "leading" us to a victory. By my count, well over 30 players got to participate in that game besides Worley and it is insulting to their hard work to say Worley of all people led us to victory. It specifically chides Marquez North.
 
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omghulkhands said:
Worley may not be the 14th worst QB for 2014, but he didn't show much of anything last year to rank him any higher than 10th IMO.

And people should stop pointing to the South Carolina game. Worley played QB in that game and didn't turn the ball over. I think that is far from "leading" us to a victory. By my count, well over 30 players got to participate in that game besides Worley and it is insulting to their hard work to say Worley of all people led us to victory. It specifically chides Marquez North.
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This. Absolutely this. People here will go so far as to say that Worley "won" the South Carolina game, like somehow he put the team on his shoulders and carried us to victory. What game were they watching?

He made some plays. And many other players made plays just as important or moreso. On the other hand, 5 of our last 8 drives in that game were 3-and-outs and Worley's completion percentage in the 2nd half was below 50%.
 
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oregonvol said:
This. Absolutely this. People here will go so far as to say that Worley "won" the South Carolina game, like somehow he put the team on his shoulders and carried us to victory. What game were they watching?

He made some plays. And many other players made plays just as important or moreso. On the other hand, 5 of our last 8 drives in that game were 3-and-outs and Worley's completion percentage in the 2nd half was below 50%.
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I would say Palardy of all people (never thought I'd say that prior to 2013) led us to Victory with his 3 made field goals, including one as time expired for the win.
 
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Rooster1 said:
Worley was far from the worst. He wasn't very good, but the numbers do not lie:


PASSING AVG/GAME Team Cl G Att Cmp Int Pct. Yds TD Avg/G
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1. Johnny Manziel...... AM SO 13 429 300 13 69.9 4114 37 316.5
2. Aaron Murray........ UG SR 11 347 225 9 64.8 3075 26 279.5
3. Bo Wallace.......... UM JR 13 437 283 10 64.8 3346 18 257.4
4. Zach Mettenberger... LS SR 12 296 192 8 64.9 3082 22 256.8
5. AJ McCarron......... UA SR 13 336 226 7 67.3 3063 28 235.6
6. A Carta-Samuels..... VU SR 10 281 193 9 68.7 2268 11 226.8
7. James Franklin...... MO SR 11 319 198 6 62.1 2429 19 220.8
8. Connor Shaw......... SC SR 13 284 180 1 63.4 2447 24 188.2
9. Dak Prescott........ MS SO 11 267 156 7 58.4 1940 10 176.4
10.Justin Worley....... UT JR 8 196 109 8 55.6 1239 10 154.9
11.Nick Marshall....... AU JR 13 239 142 6 59.4 1976 14 152.0
12.Maxwell Smith....... UK SO 9 183 105 1 57.4 1276 9 141.8
13.Brandon Allen....... AR SO 11 258 128 10 49.6 1552 13 141.1
14.Tyler Murphy........ UF JR 9 185 112 5 60.5 1216 6 135.1
15.Jalen Whitlow....... UK SO 12 159 98 5 61.6 1035 5 86.2
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Your rankings are kind of distorted. If you look deeper into it, you realize that it is sorted by yards per game. Most of the critical rankings, Worley is in the bottom 3 performers. He is the one of two QBs to average an interception per game. And, you have two UK QBs on the list who if combined would have a better ranking than Worley.

I don't want to criticize Worley, but we really haven't seen much that warrants praise, other than the South Carolina game, but I wouldn't put much of that on Worley winning the game but managing it well. Most criticized Worley all year long until the South Carolina game.

I hope that either him or Dobbs really show out this year. One year in the new system, I see much improvement.
 
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#61
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KBVol said:
Ok, again, you can't say that when Brandon Allen, a sub .500 passer for 3 win Arkansas was in the league. Worley also "proved" more than Robinette who wasn't a starter for 90% of the season and who threw more ints than tds, unlike Worley. For matter, with his win vs Scar and his performance vs Georgia alone, he's proven a helluva lot more than the newcomer QBs at Bama, Georgia and LSU who've never started in the SEC.

Perhaps you should read the title of the article again Wrench. I've not said the Worley is a top QB in this league. But he sure as hell doesn't deserve to be ranked 14th and lower than QBs who have performed worse than him or who have never performed/proven anything at all. To say otherwise is ridiculous IMO.
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I am so sick of people saying stuff like that...yes, you should completely discount how good our defense played those games...or the fact it took miraculous catches to win it.

sort of off topic, same with Tom Brady, blah blah Tom Brady won all them Superbowls...no, his defense did, in fact I don't think he scored more than 21 points in any of them (im not going to fact check that, but its reletively close)....his defense just dominated...

**Please don't take me as a Worley hater either, I just don't think hes that good. I'm not gonna be in the stands booing if he started and / or plays all season next year IF HE IS THE BEST PLAYER, and IF HE ISN'T BLOWING GAMES. If he plays great I won't have any crow to eat because I have said it all along, best player should play, and based off his performances last year he was not very good. I HOPE he improved like crazy in the offseason, I would love that.
 
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Ez_Vol said:
Your rankings are kind of distorted. If you look deeper into it, you realize that it is sorted by yards per game. Most of the critical rankings, Worley is in the bottom 3 performers. He is the one of two QBs to average an interception per game. And, you have two UK QBs on the list who if combined would have a better ranking than Worley.

I don't want to criticize Worley, but we really haven't seen much that warrants praise, other than the South Carolina game, but I wouldn't put much of that on Worley winning the game but managing it well. Most criticized Worley all year long until the South Carolina game.

I hope that either him or Dobbs really show out this year. One year in the new system, I see much improvement.
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I agree completely.
 
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It doesnt really matter to me whether you rank him 14th or 10th or whatever you want. Ask this question:

If you ranked all the starting QBs at Tennessee in the last 30 years, where do you put Worley on THAT list? That tells you what you should think of Worley, not how he is ranked against unproven QBs at other schools.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
It doesnt really matter to me whether you rank him 14th or 10th or whatever you want. Ask this question:

If you ranked all the starting QBs at Tennessee in the last 30 years, where do you put Worley on THAT list? That tells you what you should think of Worley, not how he is ranked against unproven QBs at other schools.
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So tell us, where would you rank him on that list?
 
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MWAVolfan said:
It doesnt really matter to me whether you rank him 14th or 10th or whatever you want. Ask this question:

If you ranked all the starting QBs at Tennessee in the last 30 years, where do you put Worley on THAT list? That tells you what you should think of Worley, not how he is ranked against unproven QBs at other schools.
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Interesting.

I'm simply doing this from memory:

84- Robinson
85- Robinson/ Dickey
86- Sanders/ Francis
87- Sanders/ Francis
88- Francis
89- Henton/Kelly
90- Kelly
91- Kelly
92- Shuler
93- Shuler
94- Helton/Manning (Colquitt was only in for 7 plays)
95- Manning
96- Manning
97- Manning
98- Martin
99- Martin
00- Matthews/Suggs/Clausen
01- Clausen
02- Clausen/ Banks
03- Clausen
04- Schaeffer/Ainge/Clausen
05- Ainge/Clausen
06- Ainge/Crompton
07- Ainge
08- Crompton/Stephens/Coleman
09- Crompton
10- Simms/Bray
11- Bray/Simms/Worley
12- Bray
13- Worley/Peterman/Dobbs

With those listed (and I may have missed some) I would rank Worley with (in no order):

Dobbs
Peterman
Stephens
Coleman
Sanders
Mathews
 
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Boca Vol said:
Interesting.

I'm simply doing this from memory:

84- Robinson
85- Robinson/ Dickey
86- Sanders/ Francis
87- Sanders/ Francis
88- Francis
89- Henton/Kelly
90- Kelly
91- Kelly
92- Shuler
93- Shuler
94- Helton/Manning (Colquitt was only in for 7 plays)
95- Manning
96- Manning
97- Manning
98- Martin
99- Martin
00- Matthews/Suggs/Clausen
01- Clausen
02- Clausen/ Banks
03- Clausen
04- Schaeffer/Ainge/Clausen
05- Ainge/Clausen
06- Ainge/Crompton
07- Ainge
08- Crompton/Stephens/Coleman
09- Crompton
10- Simms/Bray
11- Bray/Simms/Worley
12- Bray
13- Worley/Peterman/Dobbs

With those listed (and I may have missed some) I would rank Worley with (in no order):

Dobbs
Peterman
Stephens
Coleman
Sanders
Mathews
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crazy to think we had almost 20 straight years of good to very good QB play with just a few minor blemishes.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Interesting.

I'm simply doing this from memory:

84- Robinson
85- Robinson/ Dickey
86- Sanders/ Francis
87- Sanders/ Francis
88- Francis
89- Henton/Kelly
90- Kelly
91- Kelly
92- Shuler
93- Shuler
94- Helton/Manning (Colquitt was only in for 7 plays)
95- Manning
96- Manning
97- Manning
98- Martin
99- Martin
00- Matthews/Suggs/Clausen
01- Clausen
02- Clausen/ Banks
03- Clausen
04- Schaeffer/Ainge/Clausen
05- Ainge/Clausen
06- Ainge/Crompton
07- Ainge
08- Crompton/Stephens/Coleman
09- Crompton
10- Simms/Bray
11- Bray/Simms/Worley
12- Bray
13- Worley/Peterman/Dobbs

With those listed (and I may have missed some) I would rank Worley with (in no order):

Dobbs
Peterman
Stephens
Coleman
Sanders
Mathews
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I would just say that I agree but also that some of those quarterbacks were not really UT's "starting QB" for that year, but were just the QB by default due to injury. Worley is our actual starting/best QB on staff unless Dobbs somehow beats him out which I dont see at this point.

So I would say that Coleman, Stephens, Dobbs and Peterman dont even count as legit starting QBs, but rather considered backup QBs who got a shot to start. Matthews probably belongs in that group too.
 
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Monkey Wrench said:
I am so sick of people saying stuff like that...yes, you should completely discount how good our defense played those games...or the fact it took miraculous catches to win it.

sort of off topic, same with Tom Brady, blah blah Tom Brady won all them Superbowls...no, his defense did, in fact I don't think he scored more than 21 points in any of them (im not going to fact check that, but its reletively close)....his defense just dominated...

**Please don't take me as a Worley hater either, I just don't think hes that good. I'm not gonna be in the stands booing if he started and / or plays all season next year IF HE IS THE BEST PLAYER, and IF HE ISN'T BLOWING GAMES. If he plays great I won't have any crow to eat because I have said it all along, best player should play, and based off his performances last year he was not very good. I HOPE he improved like crazy in the offseason, I would love that.
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And I'm sick of guys cherry picking a line out of a post and completely misinterpreting the point and context in which that line was written.

The subject of this thread is based on an article that rated Worley as the QB that has the "most to prove" in the SEC this year, which is patently ridiculous considering that he performed better statistically and in big games than 2-3 QBs that the author ranked ahead of him, particularly Robinette, Smith and Allen.

I simply used his 2 best games as the best examples to put the lie to that assertion. Those 2 games were vs SCar and Georgia. At no point and in no way did I even try to make the point that you implied. Of course the defense played well in those games, as did the special teams and other guys on offense. Worley, as QB, simply did his part well in contributing to 2 very good team performances......something the other QBs that author ranked ahead of him have yet to do, which was my very clear and evident point.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
I would just say that I agree but also that some of those quarterbacks were not really UT's "starting QB" for that year, but were just the QB by default due to injury. Worley is our actual starting/best QB on staff unless Dobbs somehow beats him out which I dont see at this point.

So I would say that Coleman, Stephens, Dobbs and Peterman dont even count as legit starting QBs, but rather considered backup QBs who got a shot to start. Matthews probably belongs in that group too.
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I agree about some of the QB's. I listed them because I thought of them and they actually started games for UT. That doesn't mean they were "starters" though.
 
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#72
Grand Vol said:
One thing for certain and something all the sports writers agree on is that Marquez North will be a beast.
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So, according to those writer/experts, North must be not only catching it, but going in motion, getting the direct snap, and lobbing it downfield, then catching it. :question:
 
#73
#73
Stuuuuuupid. Worley is one of the better game managers I've seen in a while. He can get into a rhythm and it starts to click. This is bananas. I'm not going to sit here and do this. Worley does his job. He gave us the best of chance of winning in every big game because he doesn't give up the ball and makes great decisions. When he gets in a rhythm he will surprise you with a stretch of great plays. It's sneaky. Now he has a season under him and some play makers....look out. My only concern is his hand and throwing motion. Is it healed entirely?
 
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