MTSU is Calling This Their "Game of the Year"

[bleedingTNorange]

He was responding to your statement "they will most certainly zone us".

If they haven't zoned this year then no they won't, much like savannah state didn't zone us.

Everyone was savannah state would zone us, and now saying MTSU will zone us. Unless people know whether or not they've zoned this year you can expect them to just come into Knoxville and okay a zone for the first time. Too many people think that is actually a realistic possibility, and it's not.

 

[volinreallife]

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Look at it the other way. Do you think Tennessee could implement a good zone defense in time for this game against MTSU?

No.

It takes more than 5 days to implement and effectively use a new defense, that nobody has even discussed in practice all year.

So you are saying mtsu has not practiced a 2-3 zone all year?

I also think UT could implement a good zone defense to run in 5 days. Now do I think we could stop a great shooting team with it? No, but I do believe we could stop an average team this year. Our length would make it really hard on people.

Vandy has played man all year long. For about a 4-5 min stretch they played an effective zone against us, then jumped out of it for some reason.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

So you are saying mtsu has not practiced a 2-3 zone all year?

I don't know, do you?

Have we practiced zone all year? No.

So would we be able to implement a zone in 5 days? Heck no.

That's the point, if they've zoned this year then sure well probably see some. But if they haven't then they won't make tho their first time using it. Savannah state was the same way, everyone said they'd zone us yet they never even tried it.

 

[omghulkhands]

I am just making an assumption that has no ground

If MTSU uses any zone then they are very likely to play a zone, if they don't play zone then don't expect it

if coach martin watches the MTSU tape and sees that they periodically have zoned teams then he should have a pretty good hunch that we should emphasize zone offense in practice

the point is that coaches watch tape and they aren't idiots, they will know what is coming one way or the other. You think teams practice their zone offense before heading into Knoxville to play us? No

He was responding to your statement "they will most certainly zone us".

If they haven't zoned this year then no they won't, much like savannah state didn't zone us.

Read what I bolded and you should have your answer

 

[bleedingTNorange]

MTSU is pretty good, they were in the discussion for an at large bid to the NCAA's for a while.

Gonna be a tough game and pretty fun to watch, they will most certainly zone us, but coach Martin knows this and will be preparing for it.

This is a big game for Skylar to knock down some open threes and for Josh to be a cutter and knock down some mid range shots

This was your post he was responding to.

And you say " they most certainly will zone us".

Most took that to mean you were saying MTSU would zone us, that's all.

I see that you later clarified that you were just making an assumption, but his response was to that particular post.

 

[Shaun1985]

I said I wouldn't watch the Vols in the NIT but my little nephew lights up everytime we go to TBA so I promised him I'd take him. Plus, my feelings aint hurt as bad lol! I had my time to cry and moan because we didn't make the tourney. I just regret not caring about the NIT because it is a solid foundation for what Martins doing. So I'll be there! Not sure where I'll sit because I'll be getting there close to 7 o'clock. Any chance I slide into the upper deck getting there that late?

 

[omghulkhands]

This was your post he was responding to.

And you say " they most certainly will zone us".

Most took that to mean you were saying MTSU would zone us, that's all.

I see that you later clarified that you were just making an assumption, but his response was to that particular post.

I know what he was refering to, that is why I said I was making an assumption. What else would that possibly be refering to?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I said I wouldn't watch the Vols in the NIT but my little nephew lights up everytime we go to TBA so I promised him I'd take him. Plus, my feelings aint hurt as bad lol! I had my time to cry and moan because we didn't make the tourney. I just regret not caring about the NIT because it is a solid foundation for what Martins doing. So I'll be there! Not sure where I'll sit because I'll be getting there close to 7 o'clock. Any chance I slide into the upper deck getting there that late?

I assume you mean slide into the lower deck?

If its just the 2 of you, yes you should be able to I'd guess. It may be endzone seating but you should be able to sit LL.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I know what he was refering to, that is why I said I was making an assumption. What else would that possibly be refering to?

That maybe you read or heard something that supported this.

Or that maybe you've watched MTSU this year some and saw them play zone.

It just seemed like a strong statement from you that they certainly will play zone, and so people wondered if maybe you read or saw something...

 

[omghulkhands]

That maybe you read or heard something that supported this.

Or that maybe you've watched MTSU this year some and saw them play zone.

It just seemed like a strong statement from you that they certainly will play zone, and so people wondered if maybe you read or saw something...

and I clarified by saying it was an assumption, then you replied to my clarification quoting what you believe he was refering to and I had already settled that, it didn't make any sense what you were doing when we had already tied all that up.

I speak in absolutes, it is just what I do, I don't have any more information than anybody else and if I did then I would supply it

 

[Shaun1985]

Great. I wish Vol Nation did a meet / greet sort of thing at a local bar. Would be pretty awesome to meet some of the people that post on here and talk some basketball in real life and have a beer.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

and I clarified by saying it was an assumption, then you replied to my clarification quoting what you believe he was refering to and I had already settled that, it didn't make any sense what you were doing when we had already tied all that up.

I speak in absolutes, it is just what I do, I don't have any more information than anybody else and if I did then I would supply it

I had already quoted and typed it up I just didn't submit the post prior to your clarification, I got side tracked watching the game before I submitted.

If i had seen you clarifying post I wouldn't have said anything. My apologies.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Great. I wish Vol Nation did a meet / greet sort of thing at a local bar. Would be pretty awesome to meet some of the people that post on here and talk some basketball in real life and have a beer.

I always thought this would be pretty cool. I'm down.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

So you are saying mtsu has not practiced a 2-3 zone all year?

I also think UT could implement a good zone defense to run in 5 days. Now do I think we could stop a great shooting team with it? No, but I do believe we could stop an average team this year. Our length would make it really hard on people.

Vandy has played man all year long. For about a 4-5 min stretch they played an effective zone against us, then jumped out of it for some reason.

No UT could not implement an effective zone in 5 days. How long did it take them to play good man to man???

Vandy practiced and played zone in spurts all year long. We were not the first team they played it against.

 

[Shaun1985]

Like 2 or 3 years ago, I think I remember a couple of Volnation posters meeting up a couple of times but I was pretty new then. Would be pretty neat.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

As I said I'd be down.

Many though I think prefer staying unknown behind the computer screen.

 

[Kelley_VFL]

Its their LAST game of the year...lol:lol:

 

[volinreallife]

No UT could not implement an effective zone in 5 days. How long did it take them to play good man to man???

Vandy practiced and played zone in spurts all year long. We were not the first team they played it against.

I would say they played good d against uconn, but to say a team could not implement a good zone d is insane. What you have to think about is these guys have ran zone before in their life. It is not like teaching 5th graders. They have the concept already in their head.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I would say they played good d against uconn, but to say a team could not implement a good zone d is insane. What you have to think about is these guys have ran zone before in their life. It is not like teaching 5th graders. They have the concept already in their head.

Exactly it took us months to play good man to man defense, and that's much easier to teach than zone. If it took 6 months for them to learn to play good man, why would you think they could learn a zone in 5 days?

Really? How many of the guys on our team can you say have played zone for an extended period of time in their life?

If its so easy why didn't savannah state teach its guys and play it against us?

 

[volinreallife]

Exactly it took us months to play good man to man defense, and that's much easier to teach than zone. If it took 6 monthsfor them to learn to play good man, why would you think they could learn a zone in 5 days?

Really? How many of the guys on our team can you say have played zone for an extended period of time in their life?

If its so easy why didn't savannah state teach its guys and play it against us?

Maybe it was what the savannah state coach wanted to do. He wanted to go man therefore they went man. That really is not that hard to comprehend.

I would say over 75 % played some zone in high school. Anybody who played ball in high school should know the concept of a 2-3 zone.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Maybe it was what the savannah state coach wanted to do. He wanted to go man therefore they went man. That really is not that hard to comprehend.

I would say over 75 % played some zone in high school. Anybody who played ball in high school should know the concept of a 2-3 zone.

No. Any coach realizes the best way to beat us is zone. If they haven't played zone all year though they aren't gonna start now, and effectively learn it in 5 days.

The fact you're comparing a 2-3 zone at Rutledge high school, to a high major d1 2-3 zone is asinine.

As ZANSDAD brought up, there are years that Syracuse takes 6 or 7 months and sometimes even longer to teach their guys the right way to play zone.

What make you think Tennessee, with guys who haven't played zone in college, and don't have a coach who has played zone in college, can learn it in 5 days. Ridiculous.

Once again, it took them 5-6 months to learn to play good man to man defense, and that's what they played last year so they definitely knew man to man concepts and principals. Yet it took them 5-6 months to learn effectively.

But you're saying guys who haven't played zone in college, and a coach who hasn't taught it in college can both teach/learn it in 5 days???

 

[volinreallife]

No. Any coach realizes the best way to beat us is zone. If they haven't played zone all year though they aren't gonna start now, and effectively learn it in 5 days.

The fact you're comparing a 2-3 zone at Rutledge high school, to a high major d1 2-3 zone is asinine.

As ZANSDAD brought up, there are years that Syracuse takes 6 or 7 monta and sometimes een longer to teach their guys the right way to play zone.
What make you think Tennessee, with guys who haven't played zone in college, and don't have a coach who has played zone in college, an learn it in 5 days. Ridiculous.

For one I am not comparing just saying they have the concept of a zone already in their mind.

I also would bet money the years that they are not playing zone well is a year they were not expected to be that good.

Also you don't think counzo knows how to run a 2-3 zone?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

For one I am not comparing just saying they have the concept of a zone already in their mind.

I also would bet money the years that they are not playing zone well is a year they were not expected to be that good.

Also you don't think counzo knows how to run a 2-3 zone?

1.a 5 year old knows the concepts of a zone, that doesn't mean they can effectively learn it in 5 days. Theres much more to learning it than concepts.

2. No, Syracuse in the last decade has been a perennial power and is always an expected tourney team. Their defense sometimes though takes 5-6 months to get to where it's completely effective.

3. He pretty much has said he doesn't know how and doesn't play it. He played it very little if at all at purdue, and he taught/called it none while at Missouri State. He hasn't even mentioned it while at Tennessee this year. So yes in all actuality, he would probably have to learn some of the things himself or have an assistant prior to being able to teach it. So as I said, 5 days isn't enough.

 

[volinreallife]

Once again, it took them 5-6 months to learn to play good man to man defense, and that's what they played last year so they definitely knew man to man concepts and principals. Yet it took them 5-6 months to learn effectively.But you're saying guys who haven't played zone in college, and a coach who hasn't taught it in college can both teach/learn it in 5 days???

No. It took them 2 months to buy into what Counzo was saying.

 

[Jax_Vol]

MTSU has a really nice team lead by one super player. We have to come to play and even then, it will be close.