MTSU is Calling This Their "Game of the Year"

#54
#54
bleedingTNorange said:
1.a 5 year old knows the concepts of a zone, that doesn't mean they can effectively learn it in 5 days. Theres much more to learning it than concepts.

2. No, Syracuse in the last decade has been a perennial power and is always an expected tourney team. Their defense sometimes though takes 5-6 months to get to where it's completely effective.
3. He pretty much has said he doesn't know how and doesn't play it. He played it very little if at all at purdue, and he taught/called it none while at Missouri State. He hasn't even mentioned it while at Tennessee this year. So yes in all actuality, he would probably have to learn some of the things himself or have an assistant prior to being able to teach it. So as I said, 5 days isn't enough.
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What is the hardest thing to stop/prevent in a 2-3?
 
#58
#58
volinreallife said:
I already told you UCONN. When they started playing good defense.
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So January 21st, more than 5 months after practice began.

So as I said it took them more than 5 months to learn man, yet you think they can learn a more complex defense(zone) in 5 days. Also adding in that these players haven't played it in college, and their coach hasn't coached it.
 
#60
#60
bleedingTNorange said:
So January 21st, more than 5 months after practice began.

So as I said it took them more than 5 months to learn man, yet you think they can learn a more complex defense(zone) in 5 days. Also adding in that these players haven't played it in college, and their coach hasn't coached it.
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I just don't understand how you think it is going to be that hard to install a 2-3.
 
#61
#61
volinreallife said:
I just don't understand how you think it is going to be that hard to install a 2-3.
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I don't understand how you think a team that took 5 months to learn effective man will only take 5 days to learn effective zone.

Especially since, none of the guys have played zone in college, and their coach hasn't coached it in college.

Also adding in that, Boeheim one of the best zone coaches in the country, can't get his team to play an effective zone in 5 days, so how do you think CCM could?
 
#62
#62
bleedingTNorange said:
So January 21st, more than 5 months after practice began.

So as I said it took them more than 5 months to learn man, yet you think they can learn a more complex defense(zone) in 5 days. Also adding in that these players haven't played it in college, and their coach hasn't coached it.
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You can learn man, but a lot of man to man defense is hustle.
 
#63
#63
volinreallife said:
Maybe it was what the savannah state coach wanted to do. He wanted to go man therefore they went man. That really is not that hard to comprehend.

I would say over 75 % played some zone in high school. Anybody who played ball in high school should know the concept of a 2-3 zone.
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Do you also think a team should be able to install and play a new offense in 5 days? Maybe dribble drive offense if UT makes MSG. Or go back to Pearl's "cutters" offense to shake things up, everyone in the team should fall right into it since all but Stokes ran it last year. Playing defense well takes just as much or more practice than offense. Just because most kids played some lazy half-a$$ zone defense in high school doesn't mean you can simply install a decent version of it at the D1 level in 5 days.
 
#64
#64
volinreallife said:
You can learn man, but a lot of man to man defense is hustle.
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That's true right up to a point. But even hustle is a small part of good defense. How to play pick and roll, switch screens or fight thru, front or play behind, go over or under screens, double from opposite post or dig down, etc. These are the things that are drilled in practice after practice. To think that a team could learn an entire set of new rules in under 5 days is asking a lot. And saying 5 days is stretching it. More like 3.
 
#65
#65
zansdad said:
Do you also think a team should be able to install and play a new offense in 5 days? Maybe dribble drive offense if UT makes MSG. Or go back to Pearl's "cutters" offense to shake things up, everyone in the team should fall right into it since all but Stokes ran it last year. Playing defense well takes just as much or more practice than offense. Just because most kids played some lazy half-a$$ zone defense in high school doesn't mean you can simply install a decent version of it at the D1 level in 5 days.
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That being the main word. You play any kind of lazy defense in the ncaa and you get beat everytime.
 
#66
#66
zansdad said:
That's true right up to a point. But even hustle is a small part of good defense. How to play pick and roll, switch screens or fight thru, front or play behind, go over or under screens, double from opposite post or dig down, etc. These are the things that are drilled in practice after practice. To think that a team could learn an entire set of new rules in under 5 days is asking a lot. And saying 5 days is stretching it. More like 3.
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How long do you think the guys on this team have been learning and practicing how to do these things?
 
#67
#67
bleedingTNorange said:
I don't understand how you think a team that took 5 months to learn effective man will only take 5 days to learn effective zone.

Especially since, none of the guys have played zone in college, and their coach hasn't coached it in college.

Also adding in that, Boeheim one of the best zone coaches in the country, can't get his team to play an effective zone in 5 days, so how do you think CCM could?
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I think he could because when your guys believe in you, like his guys do now they would be up to the challenge.
 
#69
#69
volinreallife said:
How long do you think the guys on this team have been learning and practicing how to do these things?
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I don't really understand your question. You seem to be saying that a coach can just wake up one morning and decide "we're playing man" or "we're going to go play {insert defense here}" and it's just not that way. Yes, UT players have been learning and practicing these skills all year but I bet teams like Syracuse haven't been. Have you ever watch Syracuse just start getting housed from 3 point land and wonder "why they don't go man-to-man?" It's because they can't. They have spent the season learning how to play the 2-3 zone better than anyone else in college basketball. You can't just switch mid-stream. If MTSU has played zone this year then I would expect a heavy dose of it Monday night. If they havent played any all season then I expect man on Monday. Simple as that. We cannot be the first team MTSU has played that struggles vs a zone defense. If they haven't shown it before, I seriously doubt they will try it now.
 
#71
#71
zansdad said:
I don't really understand your question. You seem to be saying that a coach can just wake up one morning and decide "we're playing man" or "we're going to go play {insert defense here}" and it's just not that way. Yes, UT players have been learning and practicing these skills all year but I bet teams like Syracuse haven't been. Have you ever watch Syracuse just start getting housed from 3 point land and wonder "why they don't go man-to-man?" It's because they can't. They have spent the season learning how to play the 2-3 zone better than anyone else in college basketball. You can't just switch mid-stream. If MTSU has played zone this year then I would expect a heavy dose of it Monday night. If they havent played any all season then I expect man on Monday. Simple as that. We cannot be the first team MTSU has played that struggles vs a zone defense. If they haven't shown it before, I seriously doubt they will try it now.
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I don't think he can wake up and decide to play any defense. I just think a team can install a defense that will give a team trouble just because it is not what they expected. Or a team has troublr against a certain d-fense. Now will it necessarily shut down the other teams offense? No.
 
#74
#74
MTSU is a solid team and should have won the Sun Belt tournament but got upset by a streaky shooting Ark State team.
That said, UT should win this game and I don't see Kermit installing much of a zone unless UT jumps out to a very big lead against their man.
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