Mueller Report Imminent

[RikidyBones]

Exoneration: noun ... the action of officially absolving someone from blame; vindication, acquittal, discharge.

Sorry, but you don't get to alter the definition of a word to meet your needs. Trump was not officially absolved of obstruction. The Mueller report makes that very clear, and Mueller repeated that himself today.

The lack of indictment is no different than an acquittal, it's just one guy deciding he cant prove guilt rather than 12 peers.

Presumption of innocence is something you Democrats seem to dismiss when it's not in yalls favor. ie Kavanaugh

 

[FLVOL_79]

I am not sure the demorats realize how badly they were crushed today..like a mortal and pestle of justice and reality turning them into a fine dust...

 

[nuclearjunky]

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Every kid who spent time at a ball field concession stand in the 90’s knows what these are. I still buy a bag occasionally just for me.

 

[BowlBrother85]

The lack of indictment is no different than an acquittal, it's just one guy deciding he cant prove guilt rather than 12 peers.

Presumption of innocence is something you Democrats seem to dismiss when it's not in yalls favor. ie Kavanaugh

That is not true. The lack of an indictment means that charges haven't been brought yet, but could be in the future. Whereas, an acquittal following a jury trial, does serve as an exoneration. Meaning that those same charges could not be brought again in the future.

 

[RikidyBones]

That is not true. The lack of an indictment means that charges haven't been brought yet, but could be in the future. Whereas, an acquittal following a jury trial does serve as an exoneration. Meaning that those same charges could not be brought again in the future.

in terms of assumption of innocence, which this conversation is about, it is the same. The accused is innocent until proven guilty. No charges will be filed, therefore, he is innocent.

 

[BowlBrother85]

in terms of assumption of innocence, which this conversation is about, it is the same. The accused is innocent until proven guilty. No charges will be filed, therefore, he is innocent.

Of course, there is a presumption of innocence... but what you just said was stupid. The lack of an indictment is not the same thing as an acquittal. And nobody has said that charges won't be brought in the future (when Trump has left office).

 

[ajvol01]

Why is Mueller allowed to "not get into" certain questions?

“Not in my purview”

 

[ajvol01]

Of course, there is a presumption of innocence... but what you just said was stupid. The lack of an indictment is not the same thing as an acquittal. And nobody has said that charges won't be brought in the future (when Trump has left office).

Then why not state what crimes were committed now?

Why leave it open to interpretation?

Maybe to help the Democrats on their quest of impeachment?

 

[volatil]

 

[ajvol01]

I expected Mueller to be a better witness given his reputation. At times, he doesn't even seem to be certain what is in his report.

Probably because he didn’t write it. Andrew Weissman and company wrote the report - Mueller is just there to provide the appearance of legitimacy.

 

[nuclearjunky]

Meets with Putin, check.
Meets with Kim jong un, check.
Meets with Xi jinping, check.
Meets with Erdogan, check
Meets with Mueller, hellz no.

So Trump actually listened and followed sound guidance from every attorney on earth and didn’t walk into Weissmann’s trap. But to you him meeting with actual foreign leaders in his role as PRESIDENT of The United States is a comparable scenario. Got it.

 

[BigOrangeD]

 

[BigOrangeD]

 

[NorthDallas40]

No one expected a revelation today. Mueller said as much in advance. The point was to have someone not a Dem articulate, or at least agree, with the findings of the report.

Mission accomplished.

LMAO. Boy that’s sure a different time than this post and I warned you he would just defer to the report. That idiot Lieu got him frazzled and he briefly gave you the sound bite you wanted. Then BAM gone like a fart on the wind

For one thing, they are not allowed to.

The question for Mueller is simple: If he were not a sitting POTUS at the time, would you have charged him?

The answer is most assuredly yes.

If asked and answered as you say I’d immediately follow up with how that conflicts with both AG Barr’s statement as well as his own PR individual saying they were not in conflict. You’re setting yourself up for disappointment again. If asked that he will reply he isn’t going to answer hypotheticals.

Turns out he briefly gave you your hypothetical and then promptly snatched it away.

 

[BigOrangeD]

 

[DynaLo]

Of course, there is a presumption of innocence... but what you just said was stupid. The lack of an indictment is not the same thing as an acquittal. And nobody has said that charges won't be brought in the future (when Trump has left office).

What's the SOL on those charges since it'll have to wait until after the 2024 election?

 

[BowlBrother85]

Then why not state what crimes were committed now?

Why leave it open to interpretation?

Maybe to help the Democrats on their quest of impeachment?

There isn't going to be an effort to impeach. Pelosi has been very consistent that she wants to see the democratic process run it's course. It will be left up to the American people to decide whether or not Trump is removed from office on January 20, 2021 and that is how it should be.

Mueller was deliberately vague. I don't see how he can be objectively described as a political partisan. He definitely could have painted a much worse picture of Trump than he did. And he could have defended his investigation from Republican attack more than he did. He didn't want to be there and he doesn't want to be in the middle of partisan fight.

 

[RikidyBones]

Of course, there is a presumption of innocence... but what you just said was stupid. The lack of an indictment is not the same thing as an acquittal. And nobody has said that charges won't be brought in the future (when Trump has left office).

In the context of his "guilt" it is. Sorry BB, you'll never see him in cuffs and Hillary will never be seen in cuffs. It's just the way it works.

 

[BowlBrother85]

What's the SOL on those charges since it'll have to wait until after January 20, 2021?

Probably not more than 18 more months... but I'm not sure about that.

 

[BigOrangeD]

So Sorry LG. I know you had your hopes way up there.

 

[BowlBrother85]

In the context of his "guilt" it is. Sorry BB, you'll never see him in cuffs and Hillary will never be seen in cuffs. It's just the way it works.

No, it is not! A decision not to bring charges at this time, is not the same thing as an acquittal! Jeez.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

 

[BowlBrother85]

Impeachment never was a thing! Listen to Pelosi.

 

[BigOrangeD]

Impeachment never was a thing! Listen to Pelosi.

But this will be:

 

[DC_Vol]

Been watching CNN. Wolf and a three person panel.

Consensus was that Mueller did not perform well and didn’t give the Democrats what they wanted. Said the blame is on the democrats,though, for their demanding Mueller testify before Congress.

A lot of people saw this coming.