Muslims behead yet another person

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if you have been in S. Korea you are probably in the navy...huge guess....but plausible.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Are you getting all spiritual with me? Or do you simply mean the energy stored in our body and used as fuel?
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No. Your essence. Things that are 8188.

It is energy in my mind. It just doesn't vanish. Energy doesn't. It's transferred.
 
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Obsessed said:
No. Your essence. Things that are 8188.

It is energy in my mind. It just doesn't vanish. Energy doesn't. It's transferred.
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Actually the entire universe will eventually run out of usable energy.

But energy is stored in my body and then eaten by microorganisms after I die. Which then fuels them and the other organisms that eat them.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Actually the entire universe will eventually rub out of usable energy.

But energy is stored in my body and then eaten by microorganisms after I die. Which then fuels them and the other organisms that eat them.
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I've rubbed out some usable energy before, as well.
 
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NEOCON said:
if you have been in S. Korea you are probably in the navy...huge guess....but plausible.
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Idk if you were directing that at me, but I was AF and have only been to the Middle East. Although most AF eventually do a year in South Korea
 
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Obsessed said:
Break it down better for me pkt.

Are you saying information=energy?
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Not at all. I'm saying people who talk about metaphysical entities like souls, energy, ect. are focused on the wrong thing relative to science.

Leonard Susskind disproved Stephen Hawking's theory about everything being destroyed in black holes; namely information. Susskind proved that information indeed is not destroyed by the black holes; it is merely smeared. This lead to the hologram principle which has been supported via experiments.

Basically, your ticket to eternal life or at least existence after death, which can be gleaned from science, experience, etc. verse wishful thinking, is via information which cannot be destroyed. If someone or something can collect all your information, they can bring you, both in mind and body, back to life.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Not at all. I'm saying people who talk about metaphysical entities like souls, energy, ect. are focused on the wrong thing relative to science.

Leonard Susskind disproved Stephen Hawking's theory about everything being destroyed in black holes; namely information. Susskind proved that information indeed is not destroyed by the black holes; it is merely smeared. This lead to the hologram principle which has been supported via experiments.

Basically, your ticket to eternal life or at least existence after death, which can be gleamed from science, experience, etc. verse wishful thinking, is via information which cannot be destroyed. If someone or something can collect all your information, they can bring you, both in mind and body, back to life.
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Honestly pretty thought provoking.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Not at all. I'm saying people who talk about metaphysical entities like souls, energy, ect. are focused on the wrong thing relative to science.

Leonard Susskind disproved Stephen Hawking's theory about everything being destroyed in black holes; namely information. Susskind proved that information indeed is not destroyed by the black holes; it is merely smeared. This lead to the hologram principle which has been supported via experiments.

Basically, your ticket to eternal life or at least existence after death, which can be gleaned from science, experience, etc. verse wishful thinking, is via information which cannot be destroyed. If someone or something can collect all your information, they can bring you, both in mind and body, back to life.
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Re-incarnation?

Has to be a possibility, right?
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Singling out the guy who straps the bomb to his chest vs the guy who funded it, the who built it, the guy who provided shelter for it, the guy who filmed it, the guy who recruited him, the guy who lied about it, the guy who willingly turned his head, the guy who cheered him on or cheered after the attack (publicly or privately), etc. is naïve.

You are either part of the cause or you aren't. The cause is the problem. It is the idea that is the problem; not their individual roles in executing said idea.

What separates all those mentioned above is opportunity, skills, and resources. Such factors are constantly in flux. The guy who is cheering on the inside today might be a financier tomorrow. The guy who who sponsors a jihadist to go to the front lines or a camp today might have enough money to buy off the police/officials (or buy equipment) tomorrow. On and on.
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I understand your position and don't disagree terribly, we've drawn our lines in the sand differently on where and how sympathizer should be distinguished from a terrorist. I equate a sympathizer as one that is in agreement with the ideology behind the "cause", but not necessarily active in it. Most of the guys you've described above, I would consider active participants, terrorists - not merely sympathizers.

The discussion you jumped into was one of numbers and certainly not a philosophical debate over subjective classifications within the definition of a term. The narrative was that of a radical muslim defined as one who "believed in killing in the name of Allah". Do you believe that there are 160,000,000 muslims who are actively in search for a head to lop off?
 
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Septic said:
I understand your position and don't disagree terribly, we've drawn our lines in the sand differently on where and how sympathizer should be distinguished from a terrorist. I equate a sympathizer as one that is in agreement with the ideology behind the "cause", but not necessarily active in it. Most of the guys you've described above, I would consider active participants, terrorists - not merely sympathizers.

The discussion you jumped into was one of numbers and certainly not a philosophical debate over subjective classifications within the definition of a term. The narrative was that of a radical muslim defined as one who "believed in killing in the name of Allah". Do you believe that there are 160,000,000 muslims who are actively in search for a head to lop off?
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I personally believe there are about 1 million. Then another 3 who would be ok with it in a crowd situation. And another 30 to 40 million who would be willing to look the other way.
 
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NEOCON said:
I personally believe there are about 1 million. Then another 3 who would be ok with it in a crowd situation. And another 30 to 40 million who would be willing to look the other way.
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Interesting and curious how you come up with these solid numbers.
 
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NEOCON said:
I personally believe there are about 1 million. Then another 3 who would be ok with it in a crowd situation. And another 30 to 40 million who would be willing to look the other way.
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You just described ~2.5% of the muslim faith.

Given that your original post asserted that there are "more crazy muslims than there are decent ones". I'd say you're making great progress.
 
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Septic said:
I understand your position and don't disagree terribly, we've drawn our lines in the sand differently on where and how sympathizer should be distinguished from a terrorist. I equate a sympathizer as one that is in agreement with the ideology behind the "cause", but not necessarily active in it. Most of the guys you've described above, I would consider active participants, terrorists - not merely sympathizers.

The discussion you jumped into was one of numbers and certainly not a philosophical debate over subjective classifications within the definition of a term. The narrative was that of a radical muslim defined as one who "believed in killing in the name of Allah". Do you believe that there are 160,000,000 muslims who are actively in search for a head to lop off?
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I don't pretend to know the numbers. I don't think anybody knows.

I do think there are a good bit who support attacks on the West and a caliphate of some kind (though disagree about the internal politics and ideology of said caliphate). The difference between their "active" involvement vs implicit or explicit support is opportunity (or lack there of if you look at it that way).
 
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Septic said:
You just described ~2.5% of the muslim faith.

Given that your original post asserted that there are "more crazy muslims than there are decent ones". I'd say you're making great progress.
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I am pulling these numbers out of thin air.

I believe the at least 45% of the male population feels there is no problem with the way women are treated in the Middle east and deciding disagreements by wiping out someone.


I feel the female population number that is like this is much less but they live in fear.

As bearcat204 said though, I am guessing.
 
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NEOCON said:
Honestly pretty thought provoking.
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Agreed.

Obsessed said:
Re-incarnation?

Has to be a possibility, right?
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Depends on what you mean by reincarnation. If we are talking traditional reincarnation, no. Although there are some freaky stories out there that support such an idea (and I've had a few experiences which I wonder about too). That type of reincarnation typically involves the idea of a single soul that is reincarnated into many bodies over many generations.

This type of reincarnation would be you, mind and/or body, in this present life (including your past).
 
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If you go by the Bible, it clearly stated are bodies don't go with us but our information is basically downloaded into a new body.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I don't pretend to know the numbers. I don't think anybody knows.

I do think there are a good bit who support attacks on the West and a caliphate of some kind (though disagree about the internal politics and ideology of said caliphate). The difference between their "active" involvement vs implicit or explicit support is opportunity (or lack there of if you look at it that way).
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Ok.

But the issue isn't the numbers, necessarily, even though if there a million that are self avowed terrorist it is a huge problem.

The issue is the mindset. When embassy's are burned and violent riots happen over some insensitive cartoons, yet journalists are beheaded on video and there is a comparative silence from the Muslim community at large, there should be legitimate concern about the Islamic mindset about how terrorism is really viewed.

The mindset seems to be "Islam is a peaceful religion, and if you say otherwise we will spend our energy in violent protest to say otherwise." It might be more nuanced, being "Islam is a peaceful religion, and if you say otherwise we can't be held responsible for violent blowback and we will spend the majority of our efforts condemning those who made the perceived slights rather than those who are burning down embassy's and beheading journalists".

Whether it is the theology or other social factors, there are real problems with the Islamic population worldwide that simply isn't there with Christianity or Judaism. To gloss over it as being a small minority is putting your head in the sand and buying into the politically correct liberal talking point of it being a "peaceful" religion.
 
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