My Heisman ballot is in

#51
#51
While I won't watch & really won't even care that I miss it (yes, it's a Peyton thing!), I have to say this year I'm slightly curious about one minor aspect... who did Tebow vote for?

Earlier this year he said Colt and Harvin were his top two.
 
#53
#53
People are saying the Big 12 QBs run up numbers in blowouts but the gators won every one of their games except CC by 23 and Tebow barley came out. They obviously ran up numbers for him in blowouts.
 
#54
#54
People are saying the Big 12 QBs run up numbers in blowouts but the gators won every one of their games except CC by 23 and Tebow barley came out. They obviously ran up numbers for him in blowouts.

Careful or you will confuse people with facts.:)
 
#55
#55
Bob Stoops didn't confuse anyone...he made it clear what he was doing...

And there has been no confusion with what happens to the Sooners in BCS bowls since Mangino left
 
#56
#56
Just kind of a point though, you say that Texas' defense is only good for 11th in the SEC, but you need to take in to account that the offenses are much better than the offenses (can you even call them that?) in the SEC.

Vandy=117th scoring offense
Tennessee=115
Miss State=113
Kentucky=105
Auburn=102
South Carolina=97

Sure the SEC defenses are slightly better, but it's clear that these teams would have an awful offense no matter what, so it pads the defenses stats.

You could probably say the same for the Big XII though, but the defenses are at least competent from what I've seen. We'll see come bowl season I guess.

The same agrument was on the radio yesterday in Nashville....SEC o's SUCK compared to Big 12. That is a good point.

Bradford and McCoy will xcl each other out and Tebow wins. As a UT fan and a FSU loyalist, I hate to admit it!
 
#58
#58
I would have to say "My Little Pony" should win it, but the other media darling will more than likely win it because the SEC voters will rally behind Tebow.

My vote goes to McCoy still.
 
#59
#59
I like the 'best player on the best team' criteria for choosing a Heisman, so yeah.

Tim Tebow.

*edit... The Superman moniker is just unnecessarily over the top though.

Tim Terrific maybe..
 
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#61
#61
I'm always amazed at how worked up people get over an award that counts Andre Ware, Gino Toretta, and Eric Crouch among its recipients.
 
#62
#62
I'm always amazed at how worked up people get over an award that counts Andre Ware, Gino Toretta, and Eric Crouch among its recipients.

"Best college football player"

Those 3 deserved it when they won it! It's not a best pro prospect! Charlie Ward deserved it and NEVER played a down in the NFL. Sorry peyton did not win......it was a media driven win for Woodson. get over it! He was the best player that year...not Peyton!
 
#63
#63
"Best college football player"

Those 3 deserved it when they won it! It's not a best pro prospect! Charlie Ward deserved it and NEVER played a down in the NFL. Sorry peyton did not win......it was a media driven win for Woodson. get over it! He was the best player that year...not Peyton!
Gino Toretta was about the 10th best player on his own team. Alabama had three players on their defensive line better than him.
 
#64
#64
"Best college football player"

Those 3 deserved it when they won it! It's not a best pro prospect! Charlie Ward deserved it and NEVER played a down in the NFL. Sorry peyton did not win......it was a media driven win for Woodson. get over it! He was the best player that year...not Peyton!
Yeah, that's me. President of the Peyton Manning Fan Club. You should really know who you're talking to before you make assumptions. You just made yourself look terminally stupid.
 
#67
#67
Bob Stoops didn't confuse anyone...he made it clear what he was doing...

And there has been no confusion with what happens to the Sooners in BCS bowls since Mangino left

And this has what to do with what was being discussed?:)
 
#68
#68
Tebow is so annoying and so overhyped. We're supposed to get all hot and bothered by someone who averages 3.9 yards per carry?

Last year I think that average was 4.5. Yahoo. But because he scored like 23 td's everyone got all excited about him. Well, give him credit for it, but the only reason he had so many was because they had no running backs. So again, give him credit for doing double-duty...but before we give him a Heisman and annoint him, please realize he only has those numbers because he was the ONLY option.

Sean Alexander won the MVP award b/c he had a record amount of td's, even though Tiki Barber had a much better year. Well, Tiki wasn't getting all those 2-yard td's that Alexander was because the Giants had other options. The Seahawks had none, and so Alexander got every single carry at the goal line and racked up the td's.

I'm going off on a tangent, but it bothers me when so called "experts" get to vote on the outcomes of things and get swayed simply by the hype or the numbers without actually looking into them.
 
#69
#69
Yeah, that's me. President of the Peyton Manning Fan Club. You should really know who you're talking to before you make assumptions. You just made yourself look terminally stupid.

Sorry about the Peyton thing.....you, also, should know who you are talking to before you call someone "terminally stupid". When you make a post about past heisman winners, you open yourself up.
 
#70
#70
Sorry about the Peyton thing.....you, also, should know who you are talking to before you call someone "terminally stupid". When you make a post about past heisman winners, you open yourself up.
I have no problem saying that the idea that Geno Toretta was at any point in his career one of the 50 best players in college football is terminally stupid.
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#72
#72
I have no problem saying that the idea that Geno Toretta was at any point in his career one of the 50 best players in college football is terminally stupid.
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That year he was. He had a great career at UM. I'm a FSU fan and hate to say it, but it's true, he was a great college qb. JMO!

BTW...I'm not stupid just because I don't have as many posts you have. I know what I'm talking about. Not everyone is going to agree with me....just like I don't always agree with you or anyone else that has over 28,000 posts. That is the fun part of VN!:)
 
#73
#73
I hated it when the other experts voted Oklahoma to play for the national title in 2004 and it led to the most lopsided BCS game in history while undefeated Auburn sat home

The experts also picked Jason White (Jason Who?) -- just a few years back for the Heisman.

The experts have been good to Oklahoma consider the embarrassment your team has suffered on the national stage time and time again

Or maybe Boise State was just that good?

C'mon man, you can't have it both ways. Sooner or later, Oklahoma has to put up or shut up.
 
#74
#74
I hated it when the other experts voted Oklahoma to play for the national title in 2004 and it led to the most lopsided BCS game in history while undefeated Auburn sat home

The experts also picked Jason White (Jason Who?) -- just a few years back for the Heisman.

The experts have been good to Oklahoma consider the embarrassment your team has suffered on the national stage time and time again

Or maybe Boise State was just that good?

C'mon man, you can't have it both ways. Sooner or later, Oklahoma has to put up or shut up.

Do you honestly think Auburn had a chance against USC either? I'm not taking up for Oklahoma, but Auburn got monkey stomped by essentially the same USC team the year before.
 
#75
#75
Do you honestly think Auburn had a chance against USC either? I'm not taking up for Oklahoma, but Auburn got monkey stomped by essentially the same USC team the year before.
You didn't see Auburn's dominant performance that year against that powerhouse Virginia Tech squad in the Sugar Bowl?
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