my own wrapup tonight, if I may

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VolGee4 said:
Your last statement is not truthful and not fair. We went to the basket, and Stokes got fouled with 9 seconds left. He missed the free throw, which gave UF the ball. That is execution. I am not a fan of waiting until the last few seconds at the end of the first half because the clock runs after a made shot. You misstated that big time. Sorry, Sparty.
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you are incorrect here VG. You don't give the other team the ball back at all. Attacking a defender from post with 9 seconds left is stupid, especially when up 3. It's not the first time it's happened and not the first time we blew momentum. At worst, you don't get a shot off at all and go in up 3.

I didn't misstate it.
 
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Tennessee scores 14 points in last 15 minutes...McRae scores 6 points second half. For the game Maymon scores 2, Thompson 0, Davis 0, Barton 6.... Stokes, Richardson, McRae score 50 points.. rest of team scores 8..Florida bench scores 14....24 points second half.....52.9 from foul line....Very bad second half...same deal at Vanderbilt first half....26 points.....Played hard, but woefully weak after McRae, Stokes, Richardson in offense production..
 
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Main 3 reasons we lost this game:

1. While we held FL under 40% from the field! we also allowed them to rebound more than half of their own missed shots our rebounding was horrible
2. Jerrone Maymon 8 turnovers. We win this game if he does not play
3. Cuonzo Martin. His in game coaching is Wade Houston and Buzz Peterson all over again. He has no feel for the game as it transpires. His timeouts were mind boggling.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
you are incorrect here VG. You don't give the other team the ball back at all. Attacking a defender from post with 9 seconds left is stupid, especially when up 3. It's not the first time it's happened and not the first time we blew momentum. At worst, you don't get a shot off at all and go in up 3.

I didn't misstate it.
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Stokes makes 2 free throws and at worst, you go in up 3. Execution. Don't even know why that's an argument. You take a shot with 6 seconds and left and get an offensive rebound, which you do 41% of the time. At worst, PG has to come down with less than 4 seconds left.

Yes, it was misstated because if Stokes makes a FT, we aren't discussing it.
 
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1985Vols said:
Main 3 reasons we lost this game:

1. While we held FL under 40% from the field! we also allowed them to rebound more than half of their own missed shots our rebounding was horrible
2. Jerrone Maymon 8 turnovers. We win this game if he does not play
3. Cuonzo Martin. His in game coaching is Wade Houston and Buzz Peterson all over again. He has no feel for the game as it transpires. His timeouts were mind boggling.
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Was odd how the rebounding script flipped, that's seemingly all effort related, young diving for that lose ball is evidence they wanted it more.

While Maymon had his issues, I whole heatedly disagree. I highly doubt more of Moore or Davis gives us a W, they both had their issues tonight as well.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Was odd how the rebounding script flipped, that's seemingly all effort related, young diving for that lose ball is evidence they wanted it more.

While Maymon had his issues, I whole heatedly disagree. I highly doubt more of Moore or Davis gives us a W, they both had their issues tonight as well.
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well, from the florida end of this deal.....

florida threw up a couple of clunkers against mizzou and alabama at home and won.

i think donovan made an emphasis to his team about this week (@tennessee and @kentucky) that if they want to get where they want to go in march, they are going to have to win on the road in these kind of games.

so, i think they had a different level of toughness and effort in this game and will also bring that to lexington.
 
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Just something to pass time until football season gets here. Bruce Pearl for Athletic Director. Then he can appoint himself interim coach indefinitely !!!!!
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Was odd how the rebounding script flipped, that's seemingly all effort related, young diving for that lose ball is evidence they wanted it more.

While Maymon had his issues, I whole heatedly disagree. I highly doubt more of Moore or Davis gives us a W, they both had their issues tonight as well.
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Maybe a stretch but with Maymon being such a liability on the offensive end, I would rather have seen Moore on the court. I cringe every time Maymon touches the ball. 8 turnovers from a 5th year Sr is inexcusable. And the sad thing is it has been happening all season with him I know his knees are in bad shape and he tries hard but he really has become a detriment IMO
 
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calban said:
He does that momentum killer quite often.
Puzzling.
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The man concerns himself way too much with offending or upsetting his players. His philosophy is to not call a timeout after a negative only call one after a positive play and all momentum comes to a halt.

When is the last time you saw ccm get scold a player directly? You will not see it. You don't have to put players down or be harsh all the time but it is your job as a HC to hold them accountable. Someone please remind cuonzo that he is not their to be their buddy he is their to make them better and you can't learned without being corrected.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Was odd how the rebounding script flipped, that's seemingly all effort related, young diving for that lose ball is evidence they wanted it more.

While Maymon had his issues, I whole heatedly disagree. I highly doubt more of Moore or Davis gives us a W, they both had their issues tonight as well.
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Davis is simply not ready for this level of competition, and Moore makes things happen, but is a serious liability on offense. We got outrebounded, and ultimately that's why we lost.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Stokes makes 2 free throws and at worst, you go in up 3. Execution. Don't even know why that's an argument. You take a shot with 6 seconds and left and get an offensive rebound, which you do 41% of the time. At worst, PG has to come down with less than 4 seconds left.

Yes, it was misstated because if Stokes makes a FT, we aren't discussing it.
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If you jack up a 3 and miss it, leading to the other team scoring, its no different. You get the last shot. Period. Going to the line with a one and one with 9 seconds left is not where you want to be when you have the last shot.
Your other ifs are hypotheticals if you execute perfectly. With a team that has plenty of trouble executing, your result is the lead cut and momentum gone. And that same momentum bled over to the 2nd half. Because we gave it to them. Mcrae launching from 35 at the buzzer is a better play.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Stokes makes 2 free throws and at worst, you go in up 3. Execution. Don't even know why that's an argument. You take a shot with 6 seconds and left and get an offensive rebound, which you do 41% of the time. At worst, PG has to come down with less than 4 seconds left.

Yes, it was misstated because if Stokes makes a FT, we aren't discussing it.
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No. You hold for the last shot with the lead. Obviously, there can be different basketball philosophy here, but it makes more strategic sense to hold for the last shot.

If Stokes makes the FTs, we aren't talking about it, but that's like someone taking a contested 40-foot jumper. If he makes it, we aren't talking about it either.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
If you jack up a 3 and miss it, leading to the other team scoring, its no different. You get the last shot. Period. Going to the line with a one and one with 9 seconds left is not where you want to be when you have the last shot.
Your other ifs are hypotheticals if you execute perfectly. With a team that has plenty of trouble executing, your result is the lead cut and momentum gone. And that same momentum bled over to the 2nd half. Because we gave it to them. Mcrae launching from 35 at the buzzer is a better play.
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Also, to add to this, here's another hypothetical.


You're up 3 with 9 seconds left and you're fouled. You hit both free throws. Now you're up five. They go down and hit a 3. Now you're only up 2, and they have momentum going into the half. Or what if they don't hit a 3, but draw a foul instead. That could be big somewhere down the stretch.

If you hold for the last shot, you KNOW that your team is taking a lead into the half. And you could extend that lead to 5 or 6 points.

Always hold for last shot.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
If you jack up a 3 and miss it, leading to the other team scoring, its no different. You get the last shot. Period. Going to the line with a one and one with 9 seconds left is not where you want to be when you have the last shot.
Your other ifs are hypotheticals if you execute perfectly. With a team that has plenty of trouble executing, your result is the lead cut and momentum gone. And that same momentum bled over to the 2nd half. Because we gave it to them. Mcrae launching from 35 at the buzzer is a better play.
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I don't agree, but I am not getting into it anymore. You are arguing because of the result. You would have never brought it up if Stokes makes the free throws. Out guys took the clock down from 36 to 9 and started making a play.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
He does it for defensive purposes, it's been brought up and answered by him. He doesn't call it after every 3, it's after what he feels is a big one, and he wants to set something up or correct something defensively to turn the made 3 into a stop and opportunity for a run.

Not saying it's right, just giving the reason. And like I said above he's not the only coach doing it.
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I noticed last game after A. Moore made a big 3 I think he called timeout and also took A. Moore out.

You can contend other coaches do it - but the logic escapes me and I would argue that good coaches are not doing it.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I don't agree, but I am not getting into it anymore. You are arguing because of the result. You would have never brought it up if Stokes makes the free throws. Out guys took the clock down from 36 to 9 and started making a play.
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We can agree to disagree. However, my opinion doesnt change depending on the result. If for some reason that would've worked out for the positive, I would be the first one on here posting about how we were fortunate a coaching error didn't hurt us.
I don't know of a single coach there that doesn't want to get the last shot and go in with momentum and up 3.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
I noticed last game after A. Moore made a big 3 I think he called timeout and also took A. Moore out.

You can contend other coaches do it - but the logic escapes me and I would argue that good coaches are not doing it.
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I agree, the only time I see other coaches calling a timeout is closer to the end of the game and the 3 pulls them within a possession or puts them in the lead. Then you want to set up defense but 5+ mins left is crazy.
 
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DL916 said:
Calls TO after a big 3.

Changes from 1-3-1 to man-to-man after getting 8 great defensive possessions from the zone.

Doesn't call any offensive plays when you need a bucket to prevent a mini run.

Sometimes I wonder if UT is paying him to win games or if the opponent is paying him to lose games.
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Ikr?? It's a head scratcher. Don't think this was his best coached game shouldave stayed in the 1-3-1 but he said it didn't allow them to rebound.
 
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1985Vols said:
Maybe a stretch but with Maymon being such a liability on the offensive end, I would rather have seen Moore on the court. I cringe every time Maymon touches the ball. 8 turnovers from a 5th year Sr is inexcusable. And the sad thing is it has been happening all season with him I know his knees are in bad shape and he tries hard but he really has become a detriment IMO
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I'm a Maymon fan but he was a huge liability tonight. 8 turnovers from a low post player is unheard of. Continues to miss multiple point blank layups and absolutely throw cinderblocks from the free throw line. The knee has just taken his game away from him. Feel bad for the kid but a fair amount of his minutes need to be parceled out IMO. Would like to see much more Amani Moore... plays very good D, brings great energy and athletic ability and presence.
 
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