My QB 180....

#51
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jrobison said:
What Eric is now saying is that we need viable options. We need to be realistic…Nance was a deal sealer for Da’Rick….no one can convince me otherwise (I’ve even felt like he’s here to keep Da’Rick eligible). If Bray doesn’t work out in 2012, then where do we turn? I’d rather have a pool of young, highly touted QBs to evaluate and evolve than Nash Nance. It’s a numbers game and we need all the options we can get. Bring in a guy like Worley or LeMay and then a kid like Rivers. You’ve got your elite QB and a 4* project with a lot of upside.
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I don't think anyone is arguing about bringing in quality qbs...every vol fan on here would like to have your above scenario....

the point being...we would take those qbs regardless of Stephens decision...lol... which was Eric's original point...
 
#52
#52
KnoxVegas said:
the point being...we would take those qbs regardless of Stephens decision...lol... which was Eric's original point...
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Stephens leaving and forcing Bray to not redshirt could make us take another QB which was Eric's original point.
 
#53
#53
guys everything is all good Simms was going to be the man anyway. now this just means he is going to get ALOT more reps and inturn be alot better... now he doesint have to share reps with a red haired crybaby:crazy:
 
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Lord Vader said:
Stephens leaving and forcing Bray to not redshirt could make us take another QB which was Eric's original point.
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and if that other qb is a player like Rivers...we would take him anyway...regardless of Stephens decision...so kinda makes the op moot...
 
#55
#55
Lord Vader said:
Stephens leaving and forcing Bray to not redshirt could make us take another QB which was Eric's original point.
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My original point was the Eric went from thinking we didn't necessarily need a QB to absolutely having to take 2. I didn't agree with his original assessment that we would be fine if we didn't take 1 at all. I see it as we need to take a top flight QB this year. I'm fine with taking a second QB this year as long as it's not someone like Lamaison that's only here for depth. If we're not in a numbers crunch trying to fill other need positions after 1 QB then I'm all for bringing in another quality QB. I just see the second guy as more of a luxury than a need.
 
#56
#56
KnoxVegas said:
I don't think anyone is arguing about bringing in quality qbs...every vol fan on here would like to have your above scenario....

the point being...we would take those qbs regardless of Stephens decision...lol... which was Eric's original point...
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See...I don't necessarily agree wth this, although you make very valid points. I don't think either of you are really wrong. I agree that it should've been a priority all along. I think (like Eric) that by burning Bray's RS that we're pushing the pressing need for another elite HS QB to the forefront and up an entire cycle. We need a homerun and a quality QB in this class. Assuming that Bray pans out, we're essentially pushing the post-Bray era up an entire year (because of Stephen's departure). I don't think anyone in their right mind would claim to feeling comfortable with Nance ever being our starter at this point. Who knows, though...he may improve leaps and bounds and turn out to be the guy. Its all just opinionated speculation.
 
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Demon_Vol said:
My original point was the Eric went from thinking we didn't necessarily need a QB to absolutely having to take 2. I didn't agree with his original assessment that we would be fine if we didn't take 1 at all. I see it as we need to take a top flight QB this year. I'm fine with taking a second QB this year as long as it's not someone like Lamaison that's only here for depth. If we're not in a numbers crunch trying to fill other need positions after 1 QB then I'm all for bringing in another quality QB. I just see the second guy as more of a luxury than a need.
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Could be wrong, but I thought I remembered Eric saying that we didn't need an ELITE QB...not that we didn't need one. Thats just what I think I remember reading. I could be very wrong, though.
 
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jrobison said:
Could be wrong, but I thought I remembered Eric saying that we didn't need an ELITE QB...not that we didn't need one. Thats just what I think I remember reading. I could be very wrong, though.
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No, that's exactly what I said my friend. :hi:
 
#63
#63
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Well, here we are, we have two QBs that will give us a chance to win, and both have ZERO experience in the SEC, and one is just out of HS. Tyler's hope of a RS season is gone now, so we have to sign at least 2 QBs for the 2011 class. Stephens leaving completely changed their plans of probably when and who they would recruit as a QB this year. We are not going to go dual-threat, unless they have good pocket presents (I know how to spell, just going for the lulz) and a live arm. We are also going to recruit a Top of the Class kind of guy, and I don't mean the recruiting class. We want a QB that is smart and a natural leader. That is what we have been missing since Casey Clausen, a natural leader at QB. So, as we move forward, I would say your going to hear a lot more about QBs being recruited in this class.
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Why would this change anything? If Stephens had stayed we would still be in the same situation next year.
 
#66
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VolATLien said:
O.
But still i dont think hem being a RSFresh or a Sop. would change anything that much.
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Bray is 6'6 190 lbs, inexperienced, unfamiliar with the system and not acclimated to the competition level.

I would rather have him taking a year to develop and get comfortable, a year backing up Simms and then 3 years to start. The issue is with projecting eligibilty and depth at the position. Its not a one on one comparison of Bray against any other QB.
 
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Zasnow said:
I think hes up to 205 now
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So I've heard, but I don't know that I buy all that. He still looks like a twig. I've got a buddy thats about 6'5 160 or so...and Bray doesn't look any bigger. I'd be shocked if Bray outweighed him by 45 lbs.

At any rate, 205 is a marked improvement, but still WAY too frail to take the inevitable beating behind our patchwork OL. Thats not to say he's not a tough kid and can take it.

You can't measure the heart of a man by the circumfrence of his grotesquely slender lower leg.
 
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#69
#69
Thats good considering hes only been here since late December. I would say he would be up to 220 by fall. Hopefully.
 
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jrobison said:
Bray is 6'6 190 lbs, inexperienced, unfamiliar with the system and not acclimated to the competition level.

I would rather have him taking a year to develop and get comfortable, a year backing up Simms and then 3 years to start. The issue is with projecting eligibilty and depth at the position. Its not a one on one comparison of Bray against any other QB.
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I agree this is exactly what i wanted and have been preaching for a while. But i dont see how it will affect our QB recruiting.
 
#71
#71
Seems like Bray has the most upside and if he plays and does decent I know I wouldnt come in if I was another qb but the fact is that its going to be near impossible to play decent with this line and our schedule this year.
 
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#72
Zasnow said:
Thats good considering hes only been here since late December. I would say he would be up to 220 by fall. Hopefully.
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As you add weight (assuming its the right kind of weight) each pound gets harder and harder to add. Some guys have such a high metabolism that they can't put weight on. My father is like that. He can weigh, have a full meal, a few beers and wake up weighing less the next morning.

Don't forget about Fall camp though. Its gonna be hard as hell for him to put on weight and keep it on come July...

Ideally, he'd have had 18 months to beef up, but Stephens' departure really changes things.
 
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#73
#73
Good point. He could weigh 230 by fall and I would still be debating if I wanted him to be the qb this year. I personally think Simms is the right guy this year.
 
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VolATLien said:
I agree this is exactly what i wanted and have been preaching for a while. But i dont see how it will affect our QB recruiting.
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It hinders Bray's development more than anything, which means that we need to take 2 QB's instead of 1 and we MUST get an elite QB in this class. Its all about feeling like we're safe moving forward with adequate depth and immediate talent to work with.

This is all based on Eric's statement last month that QB wasn't a pressing need. He said that we didn't need an Elite QB, instead, we would settle for another guys rated about where Bray was.

Honestly, this is more of a misunderstanding than anything...
 
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