Name Worley the starter now

[DD4ME]

BTW, IMO the development of the OL could play a factor in the QB calculation. If he's concerned about the OL holding up in pass protection then it would only make sense to either give Dobbs every opportunity possible to take the job or else to have more than one QB as ready as possible in case of injury.

I see this as a stretch. Dobbs has some more natural ability running but Worley was effective when he took the option. Also if the line is breaking down you still want the person that makes the best decisions with the ball. I think Dobbs struggled more with that.

 

[sjt18]

People would rather say CBJ is playing mind games and or lying because it fits their opinion versus trusting in what he says.

He says there is competition. No doubt there is.

But you also have to pay attention to what he DOES. What he has done is given Worley the starter's reps with the #1 O. Someone may still pass him... but right now it is pretty apparent that Worley leads.

 

[sjt18]

I see this as a stretch. Dobbs has some more natural ability running but Worley was effective when he took the option. Also if the line is breaking down you still want the person that makes the best decisions with the ball. I think Dobbs struggled more with that.

All of your points (after the first sentence ) are valid.

I think it will be a factor but not the only one. Plus if the OL is suspect... I think it changes the equation as to whether you want to spend more time preparing one QB or two. Do you want one as high as you can get them because you are pretty sure he will be protected or do you sacrifice to get two to some level below that because you think you might need two? That was my point.

It isn't just a matter of who the starter is... but also of how much you invest in #2 and #3 if you don't trust your OL.

 

[Give_All_Vol]

I see this as a stretch. Dobbs has some more natural ability running but Worley was effective when he took the option. Also if the line is breaking down you still want the person that makes the best decisions with the ball. I think Dobbs struggled more with that.

I don't remember Worley taking the option a single time last year. He scrambled some but I don't think he actually pulled the ball much at all if at all. Although, that may have been by design. CBJ might not have wanted to have his only QB with experience hurt. This season there may be less to worry about.

I'm looking for Worley to keep it a little more often this year if he does indeed start. (Which I do believe he does)

 

[orange parmejohn]

I just don't see how CBJ can name a starter until after the open scrimmage on the 16th. Naming a starter before that opens the possibility that the other QB had a much better scrimmage and now CBJ has to deal with the fan's perception that the guy he named clearly was not better based on what they just saw in the scrimmage.

For that possibility, I think CBJ won't name QB1 until at least a week after the open scrimmage.

I doubt fan perception is a factor in his decision.

 

[k-town_king]

He says there is competition. No doubt there is.

But you also have to pay attention to what he DOES. What he has done is given Worley the starter's reps with the #1 O. Someone may still pass him... but right now it is pretty apparent that Worley leads.

The last practice they had the same amount of reps with the ones and twos. So not really. He also said that no one has earned the starter spot yet. I trust what he says. It may be Worley but the competition is closer than people want to believe.

 

[sjt18]

I don't remember Worley taking the option a single time last year. He scrambled some but I don't think he actually pulled the ball much at all if at all.

He did. And if we had a way of just isolating those intentional runs, he probably had a better avg than Peterman or Dobbs. He didn't run often but had some really nice gains the few times he did.

Although, that may have been by design. CBJ might not have wanted to have his only QB with experience hurt. This season there may be less to worry about.

That is a very good possibility on both accounts.

I'm looking for Worley to keep it a little more often this year if he does indeed start. (Which I do believe he does)

I think you nailed it.

 

[sjt18]

The last practice they had the same amount of reps with the ones and twos. So not really. He also said that no one has earned the starter spot yet. I trust what he says. It may be Worley but the competition is closer than people want to believe.

They each had a series with the starting group during the media session. IIRC, Peterman who now looks to be locked in a battle to be #3 took the 1st team reps the previous day. And I KNOW that last year in August each of the 3 pursuing Worley got several days running with the 1's to see if they could take the job... They couldn't.

There is a competition but unless someone has done something in the closed portion of practice to close ground... it does not appear to be that close. But at some point Dobbs and/or another QB will get their 1st team reps. I suspect CBJ will do that even in years when he has an established starter... but without an announcement many of you will read into that too.

Many have asked that if it is Worley then why not make an announcement. But the same applies to if it could be Dobbs. Why not point to his superlatives and explain the decision not to make a formal announcement that way?

I like Dobbs a lot. I like his wheels, his intelligence, and even the way he throws the ball. But every tangible sign points to Worley (who I also like).

 

[Dougie_D]

Not trying to rub you raw but the same thread said he had been the All Conference QB the previous fall. He was able to establish himself in 2009 after Pike was injured.

And again, Jones must have thought there was a benefit to naming him the starter when he did.

Of course that made the decision easier, but Butch still had to evaluate Collaros himself, especially in a new system. His reasoning was more that he could understand the progressions easier apparently.

My Thoughts: Random and Related: Jones names Collaros starting QB

It's possible that our QB's all understand the playbook, but certain players mesh better with different QB's. That's my biggest concern. I think the X factor is which QB has the BEST connection with Von Pearson.

 

[sjt18]

It's possible that our QB's all understand the playbook, but certain players mesh better with different QB's. That's my biggest concern. I think the X factor is which QB has the BEST connection with Von Pearson.

What if one meshed better with him while another had a better overall rapport with the group? What would you do? What do you think Jones would do if he differed?

FWIW, I would consider a QB's relationship with North to be the #1 concern all other things being equal... and possibly Smith before Pearson.

I am hoping for big things out of Smith. The guy is an absolute streak... I hope they can get him free in seams and turn it into a track meet.

 

[DD4ME]

IMO #1 concern for a QB for team 118 is whoever can put the ball in the hands of all these receivers. I love a DT QB but good grief I'd much rather see VP, Smith, North, etc running around than Dobbs, Worley, Peterman, etc.

#2 is finding the QB that isn't going to turn the ball over.

#3 Is who commands the Offense best

.......way down the list - taking the option

 

[Dougie_D]

All of your points (after the first sentence ) are valid.

I think it will be a factor but not the only one. Plus if the OL is suspect... I think it changes the equation as to whether you want to spend more time preparing one QB or two. Do you want one as high as you can get them because you are pretty sure he will be protected or do you sacrifice to get two to some level below that because you think you might need two? That was my point.

It isn't just a matter of who the starter is... but also of how much you invest in #2 and #3 if you don't trust your OL.

I get what you are saying but don't all coaches "prepare" QB's as if they are gonna start anyways? I'd rather have our OL know who they are protecting, because lets be honest, as an OL you know you'll have to protect MORE if it's Worley anyways. They all know Dobbs is a better scrambler, so it actually puts LESS pressure on them to be a better protector (mentally).

 

[Dougie_D]

What if one meshed better with him while another had a better overall rapport with the group? What would you do? What do you think Jones would do if he differed?

FWIW, I would consider a QB's relationship with North to be the #1 concern all other things being equal... and possibly Smith before Pearson.

I am hoping for big things out of Smith. The guy is an absolute streak... I hope they can get him free in seams and turn it into a track meet.

That's a good question. Maybe that's why CBJ can't make a decision. He's looking for an answer that is not through a skill set. It's answer through the chemistry or leadership.

Who has the best chemistry with the WR's right now? Who is leading the team the best. Who is earning the most respect out of the players? Worley and Dobbs don't seem like natural leaders...maybe I'm wrong.

 

[butchna]

I get what you are saying but don't all coaches "prepare" QB's as if they are gonna start anyways? I'd rather have our OL know who they are protecting, because lets be honest, as an OL you know you'll have to protect MORE if it's Worley anyways. They all know Dobbs is a better scrambler, so it actually puts LESS pressure on them to be a better protector (mentally).

They'll block their butts off either way or they won't play. If they have stress issues, they should consult with a therapist...whose professional advice would most likely be "quit being a p:**y and BLOCK!" :geek:

 

[orange parmejohn]

He did. And if we had a way of just isolating those intentional runs, he probably had a better avg than Peterman or Dobbs. He didn't run often but had some really nice gains the few times he did.

That is a very good possibility on both accounts.



I think you nailed it.

Are you saying the coaches called all those option plays and told Worley to not hold the ball? I don't get that.

 

[Dougie_D]

If CBJ does think OL will be somewhat a problem, then wouldn't it make sense to put more emphasis on getting the ball as quickly as possible? Both Worley and Dobbs like to hold on to the football a bit. There was a REASON why Peterman got the start against FL. .. A REASON why Dobbs didn't even travel to Oregon.

Maybe it's really Peterman that is making it extremely close. His foot movement looked quicker to me when looking at the videos.

Does anybody know which QB swings it out the fastest? I have a feeling we will call a lot of slants and screens more than last year.

 

[omghulkhands]

He did. And if we had a way of just isolating those intentional runs, he probably had a better avg than Peterman or Dobbs. He didn't run often but had some really nice gains the few times he did.

That is a very good possibility on both accounts.



I think you nailed it.

Well, we do have broad data to look at.

Dobbs had precisely double the attempts of Worley in half as many games and had a 5.0 rushing average versus a 2.9 average for Worley. Dobbs also accounted for a rushing TD of which Worley had 0 in his appearances.

I know you really, really like Worley. And I would agree he will likely be the starter and probably should be, but lets not be ridiculous. You are almost never objective on Worley for whatever reason and have never been able to comprehend that.

 

[trampas2bad]

He could be playing it that way but I don't really think Jones is that weak-kneed. I think he has a good idea right now that Worley is going to step out with the 1's on 8/31. I don't think a single practice or even "open" scrimmage is going to be the lone factor that changes that. He's seen all three of his options in live game action. He is more intimately aware than any of us the progress they've made. Worley is still getting the starter's share of 1st team reps.

Other than verbalizing it... I'm not sure how he could be more clear.

Why must we go over and over this. The only thing he has verbalized is that it will be fast and the QB will run and pass. Therefore the QB that provides the best balance of this will start. You can bet your bippy on this. Talking heads and posters on this site are dreamers who want to be in the know, but aren't. CBJ will not set back the implementation of the offense he's installing for another year to accommodate a QB. He'll survive a bad year if everybody sees that it is a learning cycle and note progress toward the end. Why would any coach in his right mind wait until his third year, when he may be on the hot-seat, to start using his system? He'll use it this year, and those talking heads and VN critics who have already appointed a starting QB will not be a consideration at all in this decision. It will be Dobbs.

 

[sjt18]

That's a good question. Maybe that's why CBJ can't make a decision. He's looking for an answer that is not through a skill set. It's answer through the chemistry or leadership.

Who has the best chemistry with the WR's right now? Who is leading the team the best. Who is earning the most respect out of the players? Worley and Dobbs don't seem like natural leaders...maybe I'm wrong.

IMO Worley has demonstrated good leadership. I think it showed last fall when he was/wasn't in the line up.

IMHO I think Jones knows where it is headed unless something changes... he's just working through the "process" to its conclusion. Sort of like a math equation where you are pretty sure what the answer will look like but still have to complete the whole thing.

That said, I do not think Worley is Jones' "ideal" leader at the QB position. I think he's probably looking for someone more like himself.... more type A.

 

[TechnoVol]

I doubt fan perception is a factor in his decision.

CBJ calculates everything he does so I'm saying it could be possible that he wants to manage even the perception of the fans.

I think back to last year when after every loss CBJ would quickly have a top recruit publicly commit. Vol fans who were lamenting another loss all of the sudden had a new commit soften the blow.

 

[sjt18]

Why must we go over and over this. The only thing he has verbalized is that it will be fast and the QB will run and pass.

Maybe because people like you persist in ignoring what they are actually doing in favor often of twisting what they've said. Jones has been CLEAR that he wants a QB that keeps it enough to keep the D honest... but not necessarily a running QB.

Therefore the QB that provides the best balance of this will start. You can bet your bippy on this. Talking heads and posters on this site are dreamers who want to be in the know, but aren't. CBJ will not set back the implementation of the offense he's installing for another year to accommodate a QB. He'll survive a bad year if everybody sees that it is a learning cycle and note progress toward the end. Why would any coach in his right mind wait until his third year, when he may be on the hot-seat, to start using his system? He'll use it this year, and those talking heads and VN critics who have already appointed a starting QB will not be a consideration at all in this decision. It will be Dobbs.

This comment suggests a few things. One is that you do not understand Jones' system nor his philosophy. Jones this year will play the QB who can get the ball to his playmakers best. That probably is NOT Dobbs.

His system is NOT one where he prefers his QB to be a major part of the run game. It is more of a hybrid approach that incorporates the spread and some west coast elements. It favors a decision maker at QB. Jones has repeated many times that his QB first and foremost must manage the O well.

So back to your original question, the biggest part of why people disagree with you is that you parse Jones' comments, misunderstand his system, then make a declaration based on that.

AND... I still like Dobbs and will be just as pleased if he earns the job as anyone else. Most signs just point to Worley right now.

If you need even MORE proof that you misunderstand what Jones wants from a QB... just look at the QB's he has recruited and continues to recruit. Obviously he isn't recruiting statues like Bray. OTOH... he isn't recruiting primarily dual threat guys either. He seems perfectly satisfied with Dormady... who is not a runner AT ALL. Dobbs was not a dual threat recruit. RF wasn't.

 

[vol100percent]

Worley, just ask Payton.:dance2: He might even dance to it. Right Archie.:blink:

 

[butchna]

Worley, just ask Payton.:dance2: He might even dance to it. Right Archie.:blink:

Walter's dead.

 

[CarbonVol]

Naming a starter today Per. Butch Jones @ Vol_Football

 

[TechnoVol]

Walter's dead.

What you did there... I "seen" it. :lolabove: