Name Worley the starter now

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UTProf said:
Are you seriously pretending that Peyton's never done that in practice nor has any other QB? You act like Dobbs was getting in Maggitt's face just to make him mad or that it's not part of the culture of the team. What we saw on that tape was Dobbs going over there and probably for some goodnatured ribbing (but for all we know it could've been something else - something positive, even) yet you think Dobbs was all up in his grill so bad Maggitt reacted simply to Dobbs yelling at him rather than the more likely conclusion that Maggitt was mad at himself over losing because Maggitt doesn't like losing and expects more of himself. You realize they're friends don't you?

Maggitt was mad because he got burnt, he a competitor and he lost. He would've done that to anyone on offense coming near him. THAT is what happens when the pads go on.

Do you not know how many fights and scuffles we've already had this week? You're acting like a competitor being butthurt over losing (which every good competitor IS) means something negative. What it MEANS is we've got real players on our team instead of a bunch of Dooley depressives. All of our players, are taught to coach one another, get on one another, help one another and praise one another - that exchange was and is a part of how they're expected to behave as a team. I hold you accountable and you hold me and yes, every now and then tempers flare or someone gets mad over losing.

But again that and the other fights we're seeing are a GOOD thing. These guys are ready to compete instead of mope in a corner, give up, or jump off a bridge as DD would have them do.

You're making a mountain out of damn molehill and a humorous molehill and exchange between teammates at that.
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That was a mountain of words...
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
That's why there was no debate. Cut. Didn't. Waver.

Ironically, I'd probably be mad at Butch if he suddenly made Worley the starter now since he's clearly made the decision not to do so. I'd say he's caved to Volnation pressure. Butch. Can't. Waver. Now.

My preference would be to name the senior since clearly no one has done enough to unseat him at this time. Butch can do anything he likes so long as he wins six games (and actually, he better win six and the Nashville bowl game).

PS - I hated the Peterman decision. If he couldn't decide he should have given him a full half against Austin Peay. Not the start in the Swamp.
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He did, plus Peterman led a scoring drive against Oregon.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not doubting him but what is the source of that info? .
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I asked Fingers about that in another thread because it seemed out of character that Worley would be complaining about Media Days. Fingers said it was one of the radio guys who mentioned it.

That said, Worley went to MPA which closed on the 13th while Media Days opened on the 14th. While such a trip could be done it would have been quite a rushed trip to go from Manning Passing Academy to Media Days and get there barely on time and with little or no time left over to get in the media preparation and other prep that coaches and players go through before it opens. In that context, it just kinda seems like someone making the assumption that Worley would see it as a slight because not only does it seem out of character to me but realizing how tight the schedule would be just to make both trips it seems even more out of character that he'd be upset about it.

But it is the kind of thing I can see people concluding on their own 'well if I'd gotten left out of media days as a senior I'd be upset' becomes a radio question like "do you think Worley felt slighted over Media Days?" which later then becomes "Word has it Worley felt slighted over not being picked to attend Media Days" and then that gets repeated as, "Justin Worley left out of Media Days. Is there a rift forming in the Locker room?" and on and on. That's just how the media echo chamber works - a lot like a game of telephone in how things get transformed as the topic keeps getting talked about and the media and people discuss it.
 
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Seriously, what is the worst scenario if the coaches announced a starter this week? I see absolutely nothing. If anything, you announce the starter and have an open race for the 2nd guy.

And here is what really bugs me. If there really is no difference in the QB's, are they just expecting one of them to "breakout" before the first game? If it hasn't happen now than it wont. Our coaches need to pick 1 guy and work with it. It's our coaches JOBS to DEVELOP our players. Maybe we need to hire a specific QB coach...because it looks like Bajakian doesn't want to do it.
 
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Oh, just because you name a starter doesn't mean he has to start the whole season. You pull him out if you want to. All coaches have done that. And Butch is a coach that does it A LOT.
 
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Daring someone to commit suicide over this...I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU!!! :rock2:
 
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GrowVol said:
Is it too soon to put Dormandy in the savior/Heisman conversation?
j/k....that RF stuff was epic.
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Nah. For some he's already there. The other day folks were ready to crown Worley then the next day they were ready to throw out Worley, Dobbs, and Peterman completely, insert Mike W. (who is admittedly starting to look like he's challenging Peterman) and start Dormady in 2015. Heck, if some had their way they'd start Dormady now.

We've gone from the backup who has never taken a snap is the greatest, to Worley is the greatest to the newest walkon is the greatest, to the guy who still has another year of HS is the only one who can save us. Such is the nature of fandom. :)
 
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UTProf said:
Finally someone who understands competitive football and the fierceness and intensity that is supposed to happen in practice. If players aren't coaching one another, trash talking one another, supporting one another, and sometimes getting physical with one another (and several have gotten into pushing and fisticuffs sense camp started) then that team ain't ready to play football. Brothers fight one another, smack talk one another, get chippy, push, shove, smack and punch in camp - those are players who want to win every rep, every second they're out there and the more physical they get the more mentally ready they are to knock the snot out of opponents.
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Really Prof? And people wonder why I fear todays youth. smmfh.
 
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Worley is the starter until ok game, if he wins he stays if not we put do vs I. And look to the future
 
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Boyz and gurlz - what we have here, is growing pains. Butch putting bricks together, finding out which one fits best, which one will be an anchor and which one will be a keystone. Preferably, 4-5 keystones on O & D, with the rest being anchors. CBJ does not have that luxury - yet. We all know this year will be a trying one, especially at QB. Butch knows it and we all need to understand that FACT. Whine, pizz, whine some more. Whomever CBJ puts on the field first 8/31 is A starter. Don't mean he will be there all year. I enjoy VN, but to see the amount of angst generated simply because CBJ has not named a starter @ a certain position is comedy gold. Really need to get the important stuff done - like dusting off your tailgate tools, your fan fashion, gameday plans, etc. etc. Coaches do the coaching, we do the fanning.
 
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Dougie_D said:
Seriously, what is the worst scenario if the coaches announced a starter this week? I see absolutely nothing. If anything, you announce the starter and have an open race for the 2nd guy.

And here is what really bugs me. If there really is no difference in the QB's, are they just expecting one of them to "breakout" before the first game? If it hasn't happen now than it wont. Our coaches need to pick 1 guy and work with it. It's our coaches JOBS to DEVELOP our players. Maybe we need to hire a specific QB coach...because it looks like Bajakian doesn't want to do it.
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Hate to ruin the ending for u but Worley is the starter at QB
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Worley is the senior and he was clearly the best QB last year. No one is challenging him enough for the position this year through Spring and now Fall Camp. He should be named starter, end of.

If you have two freshman (Ainge / Schaffer, Manning / Stewart) then you almost have to settle it on the field. We don't have that situation. The Ainge v Clausen confusion ruined the 2005 season (with perhaps our best defense ever).

Love Butch, but the QB indecision cost us a game against Florida last year, and it's happening again. Not sure why. We'll need the #1 and the #2 this season and everyone but Worley is coming back next year.

Name Worley and bring on some football!
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Coach Van Halen post your your checking account number and bank's ABA routing number and we'll see that you get CBJ's paycheck.
 
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I just don't see how CBJ can name a starter until after the open scrimmage on the 16th. Naming a starter before that opens the possibility that the other QB had a much better scrimmage and now CBJ has to deal with the fan's perception that the guy he named clearly was not better based on what they just saw in the scrimmage.

For that possibility, I think CBJ won't name QB1 until at least a week after the open scrimmage.
 
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TechnoVol said:
I just don't see how CBJ can name a starter until after the open scrimmage on the 16th. Naming a starter before that opens the possibility that the other QB had a much better scrimmage and now CBJ has to deal with the fan's perception that the guy he named clearly was not better based on what they just saw in the scrimmage.

For that possibility, I think CBJ won't name QB1 until at least a week after the open scrimmage.
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He could be playing it that way but I don't really think Jones is that weak-kneed. I think he has a good idea right now that Worley is going to step out with the 1's on 8/31. I don't think a single practice or even "open" scrimmage is going to be the lone factor that changes that. He's seen all three of his options in live game action. He is more intimately aware than any of us the progress they've made. Worley is still getting the starter's share of 1st team reps.

Other than verbalizing it... I'm not sure how he could be more clear.
 
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sjt18 said:
He could be playing it that way but I don't really think Jones is that weak-kneed. I think he has a good idea right now that Worley is going to step out with the 1's on 8/31. I don't think a single practice or even "open" scrimmage is going to be the lone factor that changes that. He's seen all three of his options in live game action. He is more intimately aware than any of us the progress they've made. Worley is still getting the starter's share of 1st team reps.

Other than verbalizing it... I'm not sure how he could be more clear.
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Then why hasn't he verbalized it yet? If the coaches know, and most likely the players know, why not just confirm it to the media? What's the big deal with holding out to the media?
 
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TechnoVol said:
I just don't see how CBJ can name a starter until after the open scrimmage on the 16th. Naming a starter before that opens the possibility that the other QB had a much better scrimmage and now CBJ has to deal with the fan's perception that the guy he named clearly was not better based on what they just saw in the scrimmage.

For that possibility, I think CBJ won't name QB1 until at least a week after the open scrimmage.
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He named Collaros at Cincy (2nd Season) as early as late March.

Anyone else concerned about Collaros? - BearcatNews Forums
 
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Dougie_D said:
Then why hasn't he verbalized it yet? If the coaches know, and most likely the players know, why not just confirm it to the media? What's the big deal with holding out to the media?
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I'm just telling you what I think he's doing and where I believe the signs point to.

Maybe he's not saying it because he just doesn't think it is necessary at this point to say it. If he sees no benefit to doing it or cost to not doing it then is there any reason he should do it? His interest at this point is to create competition and move the team forward... not to satisfy fan craving to know. His job is to have his finger on the pulse of the team. I'm sure if he thought his team needed an announcement then he'd make one.

Again, I'm not in his shoes and like you tend to think I would have wanted to focus more on one guy by now... but he's not thinking that way yet.

PS- Maybe he is hoping to come out of August with two guys equally or near equally ready to take the reins?
 
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BTW, IMO the development of the OL could play a factor in the QB calculation. If he's concerned about the OL holding up in pass protection then it would only make sense to either give Dobbs every opportunity possible to take the job or else to have more than one QB as ready as possible in case of injury.
 
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People would rather say CBJ is playing mind games and or lying because it fits their opinion versus trusting in what he says.
 
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TechnoVol said:
I just don't see how CBJ can name a starter until after the open scrimmage on the 16th. Naming a starter before that opens the possibility that the other QB had a much better scrimmage and now CBJ has to deal with the fan's perception that the guy he named clearly was not better based on what they just saw in the scrimmage.

For that possibility, I think CBJ won't name QB1 until at least a week after the open scrimmage.
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Good thought.
 
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