Name Worley the starter now

[whobethis16]

52% vs 59.5% vs SEC teams. Dobbs had more attempts vs better teams with less wrs to throw to. Dobbs in 4 full SEC games never below 57.9%. Worley in SEC games never above 55.9%

Worley SEC and season high of 215 yards. Dobbs 240 vs a top ten team.


Also one was a true freshman and the other a junior. It was closer than people want to make it seem.

You're nuts if you don't think Worley would've improved that number against Vandy and UK. And I'd bet we beat Vandy with Worley in instead of Dobbs.

 

[k-town_king]

Worley played against the #19 (probably would've won if started instead of cleaning up Peterson's brilliant 4 of 11 with 2 interceptions and 5 yards mess), #6 (almost won), #11 (won), and #1. Dobbs against the #1, #10, #7, and two unranked teams. Worley did more to help win ballgames than Dobbs came close to doing.

You're nuts if you don't think Worley would've improved that number against Vandy and UK. And I'd bet we beat Vandy with Worley in instead of Dobbs.

Final standings Dobbs played #2, #5, #7(1 half), #24, unranked. All SEC teams. SEC teams Worley faced. Unranked (1 half), #4, , #7(1 half), unranked. So Dobbs played better SEC teams by a large margin.


With no wrs vs Vandy Worley would have been just as limited. Dobbs had no wrs and a busted hand. He still completed a higher % of his passes than Worley did in any SEC game. We also had the game won a few times. The d gave up a score when we had the lead and a td was called back. Dobbs put us in position to win.

 

[UTProf]

Better arm?

All I've honestly seen, and this is admittedly nothing compared to the UT staff, has been Dobbs airmailing passes to 6'3-6'4" WRs.

Potential doesn't mean anything if you don't reach it.

And I want Dobbs to be the guy, I just don't think he's going to be it.

Here's the thing tho... right now Worley's underthrowing a few while Dobbs is overthrowing a few. Now, in a game situation, which one is more likely to lead to an INT or Pick-6 versus which one is more likely to lead to an Incomplete?

Both need to improve on accuracy but even when CBJ was talking about that the other day he mentioned whether or not the WRs were running their routes full speed. The underthrows and overthrows have been grossly exaggerated, imo, because people are still fearful of last year but the reason QB play suffered so much last year had as much to do with every WR and TE having no prior experience starting as bad throws. There was plenty of blame to go around but it was hardly all on the QBs.

Truth is both Worley and Dobbs have improved - even Peterman has.

Some are just determined to worry themselves to death over the QBs while some are hell bound and determined that Worley start because they're getting tired of what the media keeps telling us is all a show - no real competition here as Worley is Mr. Inevitable and has been since the Spring according to the experts, especially after the other Mr. Inevitable left post-spring. But the media, even our VFLs, are taking educated guesses at best and it's not as though they're always right. They were calling it before the first start to competition was underway in the Spring, downplaying Dobbs O&W performance, and telling us all how much Worley had improved/raving about him before Fall Camp started.

The narrative hasn't changed for months now: they say it's a done deal that Worley's our guy - never mind practice. And they're probably guessing right as Worley's a senior and most coaches will give the senior first shot (seniors also tend to make the 'safe' choice) but at the same time CBJ says this is a competition so let that play out. The media says it doesn't matter anyway and that Worley will start so there's nothing to worry about if that's who you want to start. Heck if the media is so sure then surely the team knows this as well and there's really no need to be concerned at all because obviously they know who their QB is.

If it's a real competition like CBJ claims it is then sit back and let one of the QBs earn the job instead of trying to crown them king without them earning it. Fans being tired of waiting is absolutely no reason to rush a decision like this.

Finally, competition like this prepares all the QBs to take the role during the season. After Peterman and Worley both getting thumb injuries and Dobbs being forced to start AND even Dobbs playing through both leg and hand injuries, you'd think VN would understand the importance of all the QBs being prepared enough to step in.

TL;DR - Chill folks. Let the players compete.

 

[whobethis16]

Final standings Dobbs played #2, #5, #7(1 half), #24, unranked. All SEC teams. SEC teams Worley faced. Unranked (1 half), #4, , #7(1 half), unranked. So Dobbs played better SEC teams by a large margin.


With no wrs vs Vandy Worley would have been just as limited. Dobbs had no wrs and a busted hand. He still completed a higher % of his passes than Worley did in any SEC game. We also had the game won a few times. The d gave up a score when we had the lead and a td was called back. Dobbs put us in position to win.

The D gave up a whopping 14 points. That's it. Your savior couldn't put up more than that.

And final is not what matters on game day. Only thing that matters is what they were that week. Dobbs is more God given talented, but he's shown nothing to say he can beat good teams. Worley has. End of discussion.

 

[Volador]

I am wondering how those of us not at practice are so dang sure that Worley is dominating the other QBs? Are practices open to VN'ers?

 

[UTProf]

Watch this and tell me if this would normally happen to the leader of your team.

Actually, your interpretation of that tells me all I need to know. That is called fall camp. Happens all the time. Curt got burned and didn't want to see anyone in red or white approach him. That was a funny moment between teammates - blood runs hot in camp. That is the kind of interaction you WANT to see in camp. That's is swag, confidence, team chemistry and pride and a GOOD thing to see from your team. Making it out to be anything more than that is the height of absurdity.

And FYI: Peyton has given and gotten far worse than that. Do you question his leadership?

 

[KBVol]

Was the Alabama game the first time CBJ took Worley out and put in another QB?

The dude said that Dobbs replaced Worley, implying it was because Worley was playing poorly and he put Dobbs in because he was better. That's not true. The post I responded to directly concerned Dobbs.

Worley, as you and I both know, was replaced by Peterman to start the Florida game, a move which I had no problem with at the time or after the fact. However, how'd that work out?

 

[UTProf]

Maggit throwing Dobbs to the ground is exactly the nastiness this program has needed. We were winning in the days of Big Al, and he was coming after people on the practice field with weapons

Finally someone who understands competitive football and the fierceness and intensity that is supposed to happen in practice. If players aren't coaching one another, trash talking one another, supporting one another, and sometimes getting physical with one another (and several have gotten into pushing and fisticuffs sense camp started) then that team ain't ready to play football. Brothers fight one another, smack talk one another, get chippy, push, shove, smack and punch in camp - those are players who want to win every rep, every second they're out there and the more physical they get the more mentally ready they are to knock the snot out of opponents.

 

[DD4ME]

You know it's bad when you have to end a sentence like that.

Worley - 7 TDs, 8 INTs against FBS competition in 2013

I don't doubt that Worley has looked better than Dobbs, but I will say, I was hoping the freshmen could make a big step forward. I figured the chances of them making a big improvement after a year in school, and with a full year of coaching at this level, would be greater than someone who had been here for 3 years already and has never played very well.

But clearly that isn't the case. So, either Worley has made some miraculous last minute turnaround or this year is going to look alot like last year at the QB position.

One thing to remember regardless who is selected as QB is that our receivers have improved. In number, in experience, in size, in stars. Basically in every way the receiving corps should be better. Notably tight end too. Butch blamed receivers for many of the issues last year. If true the QB play should be better.

 

[k-town_king]

The D gave up a whopping 14 points. That's it. Your savior couldn't put up more than that.

And final is not what matters on game day. Only thing that matters is what they were that week. Dobbs is more God given talented, but he's shown nothing to say he can beat good teams. Worley has. End of discussion.

Dobbs is no savior. I just think for a true freshman he did well and for a Junior Worley did very average. Vandy he had no Croom or North with a busted hand. Worley would not have done any better under the same conditions. If Dobbs had North to save him with a few spectacular catches against Vandy like he did for Worley vs SC things would have been different.

Final ranking tells how good the team was. Not preseason or early season rankings. No one thinks preseason tells how good a team actually is. The finals show what a team actually was. Rankings don't matter on gameday. The better team and coaching matters. Final rankings show who was good and well coached.

Worley was the qb vs Sc but he didn't beat them really. The D and Palardy and North did. He had less than 180 yards, 1 td and less than 56% completed. He did just enough. North saved him big time with 102 yds on 3 catches. On Worley's other 16 completions he had 77 yards.

Take North away like Dobbs had to deal with and things change drastically.

 

[DD4ME]

Actually, your interpretation of that tells me all I need to know. That is called fall camp. Happens all the time. Curt got burned and didn't want to see anyone in red or white approach him. That was a funny moment between teammates - blood runs hot in camp. That is the kind of interaction you WANT to see in camp. That's is swag, confidence, team chemistry and pride and a GOOD thing to see from your team. Making it out to be anything more than that is the height of absurdity.

And FYI: Peyton has given and gotten far worse than that. Do you question his leadership?

Apparently you misunderstand me. I don't think a mature QB ready to lead is going to go jaw in a SR defensive leaders face after an insignificant drill. I don't think Peyton ever did either. I support what Maggit did.

 

[DD4ME]

I'll say this. Some of you make a decent case for why you like Dobbs. I personally don't see it but I respect the perspectives. IMO aside from a few rare talents most players including and especially QB's aren't ready until they are older, know the system, have maturity, and respect of their peers. If Dobbs and Worley are equal play Worley and let Dobbs be truly ready to shine when needed. Guys get really burned failing early. We've all seen it.

 

[UTProf]

Apparently you misunderstand me. I don't think a mature QB ready to lead is going to go jaw in a SR defensive leaders face after an insignificant drill. I don't think Peyton ever did either. I support what Maggit did.

You don't recall the many times Peyton has torn into his players in the pros during games? Or the fight between McCarron and his center during a freaking national championship game at the line?

A little bit of trash talk is nothing but normal. Curt was responding to losing that rep - he was made a fool by getting burned on the rep and mad at himself. He wasn't responding to Josh so much as losing. Hell we don't even know that Josh said anything in particular just that he went over there and got smacked.

You're trying to paint Dobbs as being a punk when that was nothing but normal behavior on both their parts.

 

[smokey0625]

Doesn't mean anything to me.

True

 

[sjt18]

Butch doesn't get it?

Right now it depends on how things go in the portion of practice open to the media...

 

[DD4ME]

You don't recall the many times Peyton has torn into his players in the pros during games? Or the fight between McCarron and his center during a freaking national championship game at the line?

A little bit of trash talk is nothing but normal. Curt was responding to losing that rep - he was made a fool by getting burned on the rep and mad at himself. He wasn't responding to Josh so much as losing. Hell we don't even know that Josh said anything in particular just that he went over there and got smacked.

You're trying to paint Dobbs as being a punk when that was nothing but normal behavior on both their parts.

Are you seriously comparing a NC and Peyton to a practice 5 drill and Dobbs?
Leaders know when to pick their battles young bucks pretending to know get chucked to the ground.

 

[sjt18]

Was the Alabama game the first time CBJ took Worley out and put in another QB?

No. He did it before and learned how really bad the rest of his O was without Worley leading it. He learned that again after Worley's injury. Dobbs did fine with the physical things but Worley leads the O when he's in. Call him a game manager or whatever, the O was better when he was in the line up.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Why don't we make sure to name the best QB the starter?

Thats why he said name Worley the starter.

 

[DD4ME]

No. He did it before and learned how really bad the rest of his O was without Worley leading it. He learned that again after Worley's injury. Dobbs did fine with the physical things but Worley leads the O when he's in. Call him a game manager or whatever, the O was better when he was in the line up.

Agreed

 

[f77f00]

2015 and 2016 can't get here soon enough. I think the best we can hope for is a game manager who can make simple throws to a very talented WR corp and hopefully not cost us any games.

 

[sjt18]

When Cut came back, he named Ainge and there was no debate. That created a 9-win team that went on to almost win the SEC.

Were you here? There was A LOT of debate as one report after another came out of the practice facility of Ainge being unable to throw the ball accurately. His O&W stats from the spring prior to that first season with Cut were downright horrible. A LOT of people were clamoring for the young 4* stud with wheels... J Crompton.

Cut never seemed to waver... in part as it turned out because he didn't like Crompton. But there was A LOT of debate and supposedly some dissension within the team.

Fingers has said the QB situation is causing some friction within the team.

Not doubting him but what is the source of that info? I have criticized Jones... and you can't call me a koolaid drinker for him. But one of the better things about him is that he seems to know his team and sense their mood. If he detects friction then I have absolutely no doubt that he will handle it. I do not yet trust this staff's ability to gameplan or playcall... I DO trust Jones ability to manage a team.

We lost to Florida last year because Butch 1. second-guessed his decision and 2. stuck with his poor decision a lot longer than he should have.

Probably true... And to me it is still one of the more impressive things he's done at UT. He made a decision and took a chance. It didn't work out but he took decisive action in an attempt to correct a perceived problem. It was the wrong problem and it didn't work out... but I respect that kind of leadership.

No one has unseated Worley. At this stage, that's enough. Create competition for #2 because that's what's needed. We know #1. Name Worley and let's play football!

There's still no reason to announce anything right at the moment. When the time comes, Jones will make the call.

 

[UTProf]

Are you seriously comparing a NC and Peyton to a practice 5 drill and Dobbs?
Leaders know when to pick their battles young bucks pretending to know get chucked to the ground.

Are you seriously pretending that Peyton's never done that in practice nor has any other QB? You act like Dobbs was getting in Maggitt's face just to make him mad or that it's not part of the culture of the team. What we saw on that tape was Dobbs going over there and probably for some goodnatured ribbing (but for all we know it could've been something else - something positive, even) yet you think Dobbs was all up in his grill so bad Maggitt reacted simply to Dobbs yelling at him rather than the more likely conclusion that Maggitt was mad at himself over losing because Maggitt doesn't like losing and expects more of himself. You realize they're friends don't you?

Maggitt was mad because he got burnt, he a competitor and he lost. He would've done that to anyone on offense coming near him. THAT is what happens when the pads go on.

Do you not know how many fights and scuffles we've already had this week? You're acting like a competitor being butthurt over losing (which every good competitor IS) means something negative. What it MEANS is we've got real players on our team instead of a bunch of Dooley depressives. All of our players, are taught to coach one another, get on one another, help one another and praise one another - that exchange was and is a part of how they're expected to behave as a team. I hold you accountable and you hold me and yes, every now and then tempers flare or someone gets mad over losing.

But again that and the other fights we're seeing are a GOOD thing. These guys are ready to compete instead of mope in a corner, give up, or jump off a bridge as DD would have them do.

You're making a mountain out of damn molehill and a humorous molehill and exchange between teammates at that.

 

[sjt18]

Dobbs made a mistake with Maggitt. It will not end his career unless he responds poorly. Personally, I doubt that CM was trying to shove him to the ground. He was probably just pushing him away and JD was off balance and fell.

IMO, this is making a mountain out of a molehill... and I still think Worley leads to be the starter.

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

Cut never seemed to waver...

That's why there was no debate. Cut. Didn't. Waver.

Ironically, I'd probably be mad at Butch if he suddenly made Worley the starter now since he's clearly made the decision not to do so. I'd say he's caved to Volnation pressure. Butch. Can't. Waver. Now.

My preference would be to name the senior since clearly no one has done enough to unseat him at this time. Butch can do anything he likes so long as he wins six games (and actually, he better win six and the Nashville bowl game).

PS - I hated the Peterman decision. If he couldn't decide he should have given him a full half against Austin Peay. Not the start in the Swamp.

 

[UTProf]

Dobbs made a mistake with Maggitt. It will not end his career unless he responds poorly. Personally, I doubt that CM was trying to shove him to the ground. He was probably just pushing him away and JD was off balance and fell.

IMO, this is making a mountain out of a molehill... and I still think Worley leads to be the starter.

Oh I agree. Although I don't think Dobbs made a mistake there except that Maggitt was obviously more upset with himself than Dobbs realized (I doubt Dobbs would've teased him, if that's what did indeed do, had he realized Maggitt was upset). Lot's of tempers flare that wouldn't normally flare when pads go on AND temperatures hit into the 90s - again just a normal part of fall camp. Players do that to one another all the time. I agree Maggitt probably just meant to shove him aside and also agree mountain/molehill.

And Dobbs would have to do much more than respond poorly for it to end his career. Like maybe take a tire iron to Curt's leg or something which I can't see him doing.

For illionth time, all of this is just a part of camp.