Nashville School Shooting

[turbovol]

If you want to make the biggest impact, in my opinion, is pour more money into mental health services (instead of taking them away). Any other measure is like treating a symptom, rather than finding a cure.

So you're with oddballs walking around with assault rifles as long as governments spend more money on mental health treatment? Good luck
with that. No other Western/advanced country--no other country, period---has the gun violence problem we have, the mass shootings we have,
the kids regularly murdered in schools problem we have....Anybody who opposes tighter gun regulations and a ban on assault rifles is a major
part of the problem.

 

[turbovol]

Justin Jones DESTROYS “admitted child molester, “domestic abuser” and other Republicans who WEREN’T expelled from the Tennessee House:

“Let’s talk about expulsion. For years, one of your colleagues who was admitted child molester sat in this chamber. No expulsion.

One member sits in this chamber was found guilty of domestic violence. No expulsion.

We had a former speaker sits in this chamber who is now under federal investigation. No expulsion.

We have a member still under federal investigation. No expulsion.

We had a member pee in another member’s chair in this chamber. No expulsion. In fact, they’re in leadership … in the governor’s administration. A

nd so, once again, what you’re saying to us that you’re trying to put us on trial, I’ll say what you’re really putting on trial is the state of Tennessee. What you’re really showing for the world is holding up a mirror to a state that is going back to some dark, dark roots. A state in which the Ku Klux Klan was founded is now attempting another power grab by silencing the two youngest Black representatives…that’s what this is about.”

 

[Pennheel]

So you're with oddballs walking around with assault rifles as long as governments spend more money on mental health treatment? Good luck
with that. No other Western/advanced country--no other country, period---has the gun violence problem we have, the mass shootings we have,
the kids regularly murdered in schools problem we have....Anybody who opposes tighter gun regulations and a ban on assault rifles is a major
part of the problem.

I'm genuinely asking and not trying to stir up anything. I'm not a gun guy ,and own none. Likely never will. However,my question is how would you go about enforcing tighter gun regulations and put a ban on certain weapons? There's more guns out there than people in the US. You'll have a lot of these crazy people slip through the cracks. I don't think people need a practical reason to own anything and that's not just guns. People have that right just as anyone who doesn't want guns. Mental health is an issue with this country that truly needs to be looked into. It's taken for granted. Anyway,I had an opinion about this. I guess this is what these boards are all about. Take care

 

[joevol33]

I'm genuinely asking and not trying to stir up anything. I'm not a gun guy ,and own none. Likely never will. However,my question is how would you go about enforcing tighter gun regulations and put a ban on certain weapons? There's more guns out there than people in the US. You'll have a lot of these crazy people slip through the cracks. I don't think people need a practical reason to own anything and that's not just guns. People have that right just as anyone who doesn't want guns. Mental health is an issue with this country that truly needs to be looked into. It's taken for granted. Anyway,I had an opinion about this. I guess this is what these boards are all about. Take care

Unfortunately that guy doesn't want communication, he's done gone off the deep end in this thread, and wants nothing but to blame one political party. There definitely needs something done about the mental health issue. I mean, if you're on antidepressants, not everyone, but it's for a reason that relates to mental health 99 percent of the time. Maybe start there, have more restrictions on that. The problem is, you got people like turbo tax here that doesn't really want to solve anything, he just wants to blame republicans. Not once in his posts does he address the issue, or offer solutions, he just gone wild about big trucks, and republicans . That's why I can respect jaxvol, he's passionate about how he feels, but he's offering dialogue, not just trashing a party, group, etc. If people would learn to communicate like that, we could solve a lot of things. Unfortunately, most are so die hard committed to a party, they don't even realize what a hypocritical stance they take on some issues. Both sides, whatever that news station says, they'll argue, and never listen to someone else's opinion.

 

[Pennheel]

Unfortunately that guy doesn't want communication, he's done gone off the deep end in this thread, and wants nothing but to blame one political party. There definitely needs something done about the mental health issue. I mean, if you're on antidepressants, not everyone, but it's for a reason that relates to mental health 99 percent of the time. Maybe start there, have more restrictions on that. The problem is, you got people like turbo tax here that doesn't really want to solve anything, he just wants to blame republicans. Not once in his posts does he address the issue, or offer solutions, he just gone wild about big trucks, and republicans . That's why I can respect jaxvol, he's passionate about how he feels, but he's offering dialogue, not just trashing a party, group, etc. If people would learn to communicate like that, we could solve a lot of things. Unfortunately, most are so die hard committed to a party, they don't even realize what a hypocritical stance they take on some issues. Both sides, whatever that news station says, they'll argue, and never listen to someone else's opinion.

You're spot on. That's what I couldn't understand. Why didn't he offer any opinions of his own. I agree that I can get where jaxvol is coming from and respect his opinion. He tells you why he feels the way he does. I get that people need to vent,but when people are genuinely asking what you would do ,and nothing is mentioned,it gets nowhere. As someone who's had to take antidepressants,I definitely agree with you. They either aren't taking the right meds or not taking their meds to begin with. I've read that with a lot of these shootings unfortunately.

 

[joevol33]

You're spot on. That's what I couldn't understand. Why didn't he offer any opinions of his own. I agree that I can get where jaxvol is coming from and respect his opinion. He tells you why he feels the way he does. I get that people need to vent,but when people are genuinely asking what you would do ,and nothing is mentioned,it gets nowhere. As someone who's had to take antidepressants,I definitely agree with you. They either aren't taking the right meds or not taking their meds to begin with. I've read that with a lot of these shootings unfortunately.

There's definitely a connection there with the medicine, and I'm not knocking anyone having to take it. Sometimes it has an effect that we're not going to see. I had a good friend who swapped meds years ago, he was so happy he was going to get to feeling better. He told me that standing on my porch, and went home and killed himself. The media will mention it in passing, and go straight to making it political about a lot of these shootings involving someone on medication.

 

[Pennheel]

There's definitely a connection there with the medicine, and I'm not knocking anyone having to take it. Sometimes it has an effect that we're not going to see. I had a good friend who swapped meds years ago, he was so happy he was going to get to feeling better. He told me that standing on my porch, and went home and killed himself. The media will mention it in passing, and go straight to making it political about a lot of these shootings involving someone on medication.

I knew you weren't. They can mess with how you feel. I'm glad that I'm on something that helps me get through the day and works great. I'm terribly sorry to hear about your friend. I hate to hear that. That's the media for ya. Not addressing the real issue and making it all political. Like you said,that's why we don't get anywhere as a people. I enjoyed this little conversation so thanks.

 

[joevol33]

I knew you weren't. They can mess with how you feel. I'm glad that I'm on something that helps me get through the day and works great. I'm terribly sorry to hear about your friend. I hate to hear that. That's the media for ya. Not addressing the real issue and making it all political. Like you said,that's why we don't get anywhere as a people. I enjoyed this little conversation so thanks.

I enjoy being able to have a discussion as well, and glad you got something that helps you!

 

[Jax_Vol]

No they don’t. Do the 10-15 kids that die per day as a result of drunk drivers have the right to make everyone have a breathalyzer in their cars?

Hog…you are a better poster than this.

Kids are going to die. They is indeed sad. But, I’m not for being rid of bicycles, swing sets, swimming pools, cars, etc.

The three children we are discussing were murdered.

I’m not going to address all your comments. This gun mentioned is very similar to a M4.

In general, the public does need weapons that our military utilizes. I could let the pistols go perhaps.

 

[turbovol]

Unfortunately that guy doesn't want communication, he's done gone off the deep end in this thread, and wants nothing but to blame one political party. There definitely needs something done about the mental health issue. I mean, if you're on antidepressants, not everyone, but it's for a reason that relates to mental health 99 percent of the time. Maybe start there, have more restrictions on that. The problem is, you got people like turbo tax here that doesn't really want to solve anything, he just wants to blame republicans. Not once in his posts does he address the issue, or offer solutions, he just gone wild about big trucks, and republicans . That's why I can respect jaxvol, he's passionate about how he feels, but he's offering dialogue, not just trashing a party, group, etc. If people would learn to communicate like that, we could solve a lot of things. Unfortunately, most are so die hard committed to a party, they don't even realize what a hypocritical stance they take on some issues. Both sides, whatever that news station says, they'll argue, and never listen to someone else's opinion.

I trash one party, Republicans, because they do nothing about gun violence. You say that I don't want to solve anything? I didn't realize that I was in a position to make laws in America. I'm not--the legislators are, and the GOP ones do nothing. Perhaps reading is not a strength: I've said multiple times--as have huge numbers of people all over America, that assault rifles should be banned, as a starting point. I pointed out that they were banned for a decade or so--and mass shootings went down significantly as a result. It's obvious they should be banned. All we hear from conservatives and GOP politicians is the lame "oh, nothing can be done," or "we need to arm teachers.' Please. It's the usual irresponsibility from people who are apparently OK with gun violence. The way you reduce gun violence is to get rid of guns--period, I would ban assault rifles and handguns--no sale, no manufacture, no import. It's not going to happen until we get a Supreme Court that takes a different view of the 2nd Amendment.

In District of Columbia vs. Heller, former SCOTUS Justice Scalia, a conservative, wrote that “Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. [It is] not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.” I lived in Japan for a couple of years: There is NO gun violence in that country, because there are no guns in that country. Britain has very few guns and little gun violence. Most murders are committed with knives--stabbings. Nobody is going to walk into a school with a knife and kill 5, 10, 15 or more people as you can with an assault rifle or array of guns. FACT.

Yes, more should be done to address mental-health issues in America--but it probably won't be. Most people with mental-health issues aren't even diagnosed much less treated. They themselves would tell you that they don't have any problems, when in fact they do. Major changes to our insurance and medical system would be needed to get millions of people treatment or counseling for their problems. It would require more government coverage--and, guess what: Republicans don't like government. They're irresponsible.

The political right in America is sick. There are conservatives in America who want to make a hero of Kyle Rittenhouse--that stupid kid who drove from Illinois into Wisconsin and showed up at a street protest with an assault rifle. He got into confrontations with people at the protest and shot and kiulled 2 people and wounded another--all of whom were unarmed. He claimed he was defending himself and somehow was let off by an incompetent OJ Simpson-style jury. He basically didn't like protestors, so he showed up with an assault rifle and killed a couple of them. He should be in prison. We now have Texas governor Abbott--a crazy conservative--claiming he's going to pardon a man who killed a protester even though a Texas jury just convicted him of murder. In other words, Abbott has no respect for a jury decision or our judicial system. These "stand your ground" laws passed by red state Republicans are another example of how sick and irresponsible Republicans have become. If you get into a scuffle or fight with somebody, they think it's OK if one of the individuals can pull out a gun and shoot the other person. It's nonsense, dangerous, absurd.

The Republican party has been taken over by rednecks and religious and political extremists, and I will continue to rail at them until they start acting to protect the American public instead of seriously endangering the American public, which is what they have done and continue to do.

 

[joevol33]

I trash one party, Republicans, because they do nothing about gun violence. You say that I don't want to solve anything? I didn't realize that I was in a position to make laws in America. I'm not--the legislators are, and the GOP ones do nothing. Perhaps reading is not a strength: I've said multiple times--as have huge numbers of people all over America, that assault rifles should be banned, as a starting point. I pointed out that they were banned for a decade or so--and mass shootings went down significantly as a result. It's obvious they should be banned. All we hear from conservatives and GOP politicians is the lame "oh, nothing can be done," or "we need to arm teachers.' Please. It's the usual irresponsibility from people who are apparently OK with gun violence. The way you reduce gun violence is to get rid of guns--period, I would ban assault rifles and handguns--no sale, no manufacture, no import. It's not going to happen until we get a Supreme Court that takes a different view of the 2nd Amendment.

In District of Columbia vs. Heller, former SCOTUS Justice Scalia, a conservative, wrote that “Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. [It is] not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.” I lived in Japan for a couple of years: There is NO gun violence in that country, because there are no guns in that country. Britain has very few guns and little gun violence. Most murders are committed with knives--stabbings. Nobody is going to walk into a school with a knife and kill 5, 10, 15 or more people as you can with an assault rifle or array of guns. FACT.

Yes, more should be done to address mental-health issues in America--but it probably won't be. Most people with mental-health issues aren't even diagnosed much less treated. They themselves would tell you that they don't have any problems, when in fact they do. Major changes to our insurance and medical system would be needed to get millions of people treatment or counseling for their problems. It would require more government coverage--and, guess what: Republicans don't like government. They're irresponsible.

The political right in America is sick. There are conservatives in America who want to make a hero of Kyle Rittenhouse--that stupid kid who drove from Illinois into Wisconsin and showed up at a street protest with an assault rifle. He got into confrontations with people at the protest and shot and kiulled 2 people and wounded another--all of whom were unarmed. He claimed he was defending himself and somehow was let off by an incompetent OJ Simpson-style jury. He basically didn't like protestors, so he showed up with an assault rifle and killed a couple of them. He should be in prison. We now have Texas governor Abbott--a crazy conservative--claiming he's going to pardon a man who killed a protester even though a Texas jury just convicted him of murder. In other words, Abbott has no respect for a jury decision or our judicial system. These "stand your ground" laws passed by red state Republicans are another example of how sick and irresponsible Republicans have become. If you get into a scuffle or fight with somebody, they think it's OK if one of the individuals can pull out a gun and shoot the other person. It's nonsense, dangerous, absurd.

The Republican party has been taken over by rednecks and religious and political extremists, and I will continue to rail at them until they start acting to protect the American public instead of seriously endangering the American public, which is what they have done and continue to do.

First, the Rittenhouse kid didn't attack unarmed people. Good grief man, the pictures are all over the news. The guy who had his arm shot off almost was holding a gun. I say that as someone who agrees he shouldn't have driven there. Also, you completely ignore actual gun violence that occurs every single day, who is going to disarm Atlanta and Chicago? If you're so against those weapons, where's your post complaining about Obama and Holder sending "assault weapons" to Mexico, and they're coming back across the border? Oh, you gun grabbers don't care about that, only when you can blame certain people, politically. Read this slowly, shall not be infringed. You're not going to see a supreme court ban all guns, it won't happen. You literally can't speak a sentence without crying about republicans. Your problem isn't guns, if it was, you'd be crying about the daily murders and mass shootings in Atlanta and Chicago. Your problem is politics, you're the type to blame anything bad on the other party, and completely ignore how hypocritical your party is. You want my guns, but don't have a problem with someone who is on medication, and confused about who they are having them? Not once, have you, the president, or media actually blamed the person who did this. You immediately go off about republicans, zero responsibility for the actual guilty party. That says all I need to know about your "beliefs". Until you, or any politician, even mentions disarming criminals first, your every post is hypocrisy. There's plenty to fuss about republicans, but that's all your doing, while giving criminals a pass. I own guns, I will until me and you are both dead, and I've never hurt a soul. If someone tried breaking into my house, they'd definitely be introduced to one of my guns. If you think I should give mine up, allow criminals to keep theirs, and me just sit back while my family is harmed, then you yourself have mental issues.

 

[joevol33]

And I guess I need to stop. It's just so annoying, and confusing to listen to people who allegedly are upset, but not once blame the person who done this. And it's absolutely political, because this person was trans, it's not correct to blame them. Instead, let's take Joe's guns and punish him, so we don't offend anyone. That's literally what turbo tax, a lot of media, and politicians are saying. It's as ignorant to me as people on the right who think trump is like Jesus. Politics makes some people lose any bit of sense they once had. I'm sincerely not trying to offend anyone, it just literally don't make sense to ignore the shooter, and go straight to blaming a party that didn't do it.

 

[bignewt]

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[StarRaider]

This is just false. Where are you getting your information from?

 

[GTBATV]

And I guess I need to stop. It's just so annoying, and confusing to listen to people who allegedly are upset, but not once blame the person who done this. And it's absolutely political, because this person was trans, it's not correct to blame them. Instead, let's take Joe's guns and punish him, so we don't offend anyone. That's literally what turbo tax, a lot of media, and politicians are saying. It's as ignorant to me as people on the right who think trump is like Jesus. Politics makes some people lose any bit of sense they once had. I'm sincerely not trying to offend anyone, it just literally don't make sense to ignore the shooter, and go straight to blaming a party that didn't do it.

+1 for "turbo tax".

 

[Jax_Vol]

This is just false. Where are you getting your information from?

Google Washington bans assault weapons.

Here is the list.

Senate votes to ban assault weapons, here’s what’s included | The Olympian

 

[YankeeVol]

Hog…you are a better poster than this.

Kids are going to die. They is indeed sad. But, I’m not for being rid of bicycles, swing sets, swimming pools, cars, etc.

The three children we are discussing were murdered.

I’m not going to address all your comments. This gun mentioned is very similar to a M4.

In general, the public does need weapons that our military utilizes. I could let the pistols go perhaps.

It actually wasn’t at all, but please continue to not have any idea what you’re talking about

 

[YankeeVol]

I don’t know that it is just the AR. I question why the general public needs any weapon that can fire large caliber, long distance, extremely fast rounds.

The AR stands out only because that seems to be the one all the mass shooters seem to select

It’s not a large caliber. Google is something my 10 year old can use…

 

[615vols]

Google Washington bans assault weapons.

Here is the list.

Senate votes to ban assault weapons, here’s what’s included | The Olympian

I was referring to you saying all mass shootings involve an ar. That is false.

 

[turbovol]

First, the Rittenhouse kid didn't attack unarmed people. Good grief man, the pictures are all over the news. The guy who had his arm shot off almost was holding a gun. I say that as someone who agrees he shouldn't have driven there. Also, you completely ignore actual gun violence that occurs every single day, who is going to disarm Atlanta and Chicago? If you're so against those weapons, where's your post complaining about Obama and Holder sending "assault weapons" to Mexico, and they're coming back across the border? Oh, you gun grabbers don't care about that, only when you can blame certain people, politically. Read this slowly, shall not be infringed. You're not going to see a supreme court ban all guns, it won't happen. You literally can't speak a sentence without crying about republicans. Your problem isn't guns, if it was, you'd be crying about the daily murders and mass shootings in Atlanta and Chicago. Your problem is politics, you're the type to blame anything bad on the other party, and completely ignore how hypocritical your party is. You want my guns, but don't have a problem with someone who is on medication, and confused about who they are having them? Not once, have you, the president, or media actually blamed the person who did this. You immediately go off about republicans, zero responsibility for the actual guilty party. That says all I need to know about your "beliefs". Until you, or any politician, even mentions disarming criminals first, your every post is hypocrisy. There's plenty to fuss about republicans, but that's all your doing, while giving criminals a pass. I own guns, I will until me and you are both dead, and I've never hurt a soul. If someone tried breaking into my house, they'd definitely be introduced to one of my guns. If you think I should give mine up, allow criminals to keep theirs, and me just sit back while my family is harmed, then you yourself have mental issues.

Gun violence everywhere should be intolerable. The gun violence in big cities almost always involves handguns. I'd love to see handguns banned in America--no manufacture, no import, no sale. The country would be immensely safer. But the bottom line is that Republican and gun nuts don't really care about boosting public safety--fact. Of course I blame the shooters/killers. It is precisely because we have a lot of mentally troubled/disturbed people in America that you don't make it easy for them to buy assault rifles. Same with men who have been served with protection notices--they should not be allowed to buy or own a weapon; any guns that they have should be immediately confiscated, so that they don't end up shooting their wives, ex-wives, girlfriends, as often happens.

 

[joevol33]

Gun violence everywhere should be intolerable. The gun violence in big cities almost always involves handguns. I'd love to see handguns banned in America--no manufacture, no import, no sale. The country would be immensely safer. But the bottom line is that Republican and gun nuts don't really care about boosting public safety--fact. Of course I blame the shooters/killers. It is precisely because we have a lot of mentally troubled/disturbed people in America that you don't make it easy for them to buy assault rifles. Same with men who have been served with protection notices--they should not be allowed to buy or own a weapon; any guns that they have should be immediately confiscated, so that they don't end up shooting their wives, ex-wives, girlfriends, as often happens.

Explain to me why I should give mine up? Explain to me why instead of politicians suggesting to disarm hangs, or restrict people with mental health issues, their every statement involves restrictions on people like me?

 

[joevol33]

Gun violence everywhere should be intolerable. The gun violence in big cities almost always involves handguns. I'd love to see handguns banned in America--no manufacture, no import, no sale. The country would be immensely safer. But the bottom line is that Republican and gun nuts don't really care about boosting public safety--fact. Of course I blame the shooters/killers. It is precisely because we have a lot of mentally troubled/disturbed people in America that you don't make it easy for them to buy assault rifles. Same with men who have been served with protection notices--they should not be allowed to buy or own a weapon; any guns that they have should be immediately confiscated, so that they don't end up shooting their wives, ex-wives, girlfriends, as often happens.

Alcohol related deaths chap me. Shouldn't we ban alcohol, since there's so many innocent people killed by drunk drivers every year? Matter of fact, I think the government should come take your car, because someone you don't know got drunk, drove a car, and killed someone. Easily preventable, all we have to do is ban it. I know people from both political parties who drink, and since alcohol kills so many, neither party cares. Give up your car, and alcohol if you drink.

I say that in jest, but drunk driving deaths do irk me with a passion, because I've lost family from it. Ironically, banning alcohol would prevent any further drunk driving, this saving innocent lives. And of course, it would be stupid to restrict your right to drink, or take your car, over something someone else did. You, the government, nor any other person has the right to take my right away. Go ask the native Americans how giving up guns worked for them. Recently, within the past two years, you had a certain party who had members suggesting they round up people, and put them in camps, just for not taking a shot. Have you ever taken a history class? Regardless of the reason, that never ends good. You know why it was only ever suggested, and they didn't do it? Cause they likely would've gotten shot for trying. You have politicians, and citizens, who would be all for arresting people just because they vote different, and I'd bet you're one of them. People like you are so obsessed with your party, that you'd love an unarmed society, so you could do it. Thankfully, it'll never happen in mass, simply because we have the means to defend ourselves from a tyrannical government, and that's why we have the second amendment. It was literally the second thing they wrote in the constitution, for a reason.

 

[NCFisher]

Gun violence everywhere should be intolerable. The gun violence in big cities almost always involves handguns. I'd love to see handguns banned in America--no manufacture, no import, no sale. The country would be immensely safer. But the bottom line is that Republican and gun nuts don't really care about boosting public safety--fact. Of course I blame the shooters/killers. It is precisely because we have a lot of mentally troubled/disturbed people in America that you don't make it easy for them to buy assault rifles. Same with men who have been served with protection notices--they should not be allowed to buy or own a weapon; any guns that they have should be immediately confiscated, so that they don't end up shooting their wives, ex-wives, girlfriends, as often happens.

We've become immensely safer as the number of guns in circulation tripled and concealed carry became ubiquitous throughout the nation. The homicide rate halved from peaking in the early 1990s.

Now, I'm no mathematician but numbers say if we tripled the number of guns again, we'd be 2X more immensely safer. Or to meet you constitutionalists halfway, we could only double them and be substantially, but somewhat less more immensely safer.

Your thoughts, if applicable - ?

 

[EasternVol]

If you want to make the biggest impact, in my opinion, is pour more money into mental health services (instead of taking them away). Any other measure is like treating a symptom, rather than finding a cure.

Better funded mental health treatment yes, but more importantly better mental health treatment. Stop mismedicating and overmedicating people, especially kids.

 

[Jax_Vol]

I was referring to you saying all mass shootings involve an ar. That is false.

If I said all mass shooting involve an AR, that is indeed false and a typo.

I apologize so my sloppy typing.