Nathan Peterman, The Forgotten QB

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KBVol said:
So you're arguing in favor of the 2nd year guy who quarterbacked his team to as many turnovers as yards ..... 4 ..... over the true freshman who set a UT freshman record with 26 completions and led his team in rushing. 3 points is nothing to brag about, but it beats the hell out of zero all day everyday.
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Yes sir, I am indeed arguing for that guy.

That guy had one bad performance. No one in the history of football has ever been defined by their worst performance. Peterman beat all the QBs out last year and he's beating them all out again this year and I'm excited for it. I want a QB who has that kind of fight and character inside of them representing and leading my team.

There are so many flipping variables in that one game that made it the perfect storm of a performance. The blame for it doesn't belong all on Peterman and he sure as hell isn't letting it define him.
 
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SirHacksalot said:
Yes sir, I am indeed arguing for that guy.

That guy had one bad performance. No one in the history of football has ever been defined by their worst performance. Peterman beat all the QBs out last year and he's beating them all out again this year and I'm excited for it. I want a QB who has that kind of fight and character inside of them representing and leading my team.

There are so many flipping variables in that one game that made it the perfect storm of a performance. The blame for it doesn't belong all on Peterman and he sure as hell isn't letting it define him.
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Lol. Ok.
 
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If coaches want Peterman then I'm all in. I have not developed a positive feeling for any of them yet. I do remember Peterman played with a broken hand in his opening debacle. I also remember many years ago a LSU qb with a broken leg beat us. I think his name was Davey. Never forget that game.
 
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Peterman just seems like the kind of guy that can go into Bryant Denny and just gut out a win. He'll take some hits, run over a saftey or two, throw a pick but at the end of the day he will win. Cuz he's a winner.
 
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Regardless who wins the QB battle, Peterman indeed looks the part of a better physically conditioned QB among all the QB's.
 
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photovol said:
Regardless who wins the QB battle, Peterman indeed looks the part of a better physically conditioned QB among all the QB's.
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He does? Honest question. I know Dobbs has put on 20 lbs of muscle and Worley looks bigger and stronger than I remember him being last year. Peterman looks fit as well, moves well, but I haven't noticed him looking in better physical condition than the others given what we've been able to see. Not sure how we'd know.
 
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KBVol said:
For the sake of accuracy, Peyton was outstanding his first start at Florida....326 yds passing, 2 tds, no ints, had 37 pts on the board in the 3rd qtr. Jay Graham and Nilo Sylvan's fumbles and UTs pathetic defense that day lost the game. Just sayin.
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Nowhere in my post did I say first start. You made that assumption.
 
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Falcons02 said:
Nowhere in my post did I say first start. You made that assumption.
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Maybe not, but you did say this ...

". if you judged a certain former starting UT QB off one start in The Swamp you'd have made a massive mistake."

Considering that Peterman was making his first start vs Florida in the Swamp, it seemed fairly logical that we look at Peyton's first start vs Florida in the Swamp since you wanted to invoke Peyton as a comparison and his failures vs Florida.

Okay, Peyton also made a second start vs Florida in the Swamp and threw for 300 plus yds, 1 td and 1 int. Wanna compare that one to 4-11, 5 yds and 2 ints? No?

Either way your point and comparison were poor.

Sincerely,
Mouthbreather
 
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KBVol said:
Maybe not, but you did say this ...

". if you judged a certain former starting UT QB off one start in The Swamp you'd have made a massive mistake."

Considering that Peterman was making his first start vs Florida in the Swamp, it seemed fairly logical that we look at Peyton's first start vs Florida in the Swamp since you wanted to invoke Peyton as a comparison and his failures vs Florida.

Okay, Peyton also made a second start vs Florida in the Swamp and threw for 300 plus yds, 1 td and 1 int. Wanna compare that one to 4-11, 5 yds and 2 ints? No?

Either way your point and comparison were poor.

Sincerely,
Mouthbreather
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You are wrong about 1997 he had 2 INTS and one was returned for a touchdown by Tony George. We were down 21-7 at halftime and damn lucky it was only that at bad as we played that day and that Florida team was not that good. I believe they went on to lose a few SEC games which gave us the Eastern title.

A lot of natIonal pundits pointed to that game as the reason Peyton lost the Heisman that year as the game was nationally televised and he played so poorly. If I remember correctly the majority of his yards came late in the second half when the game was out of reach.
 
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volfan411 said:
You are wrong about 1997 he had 2 INTS and one was returned for a touchdown by Tony George. We were down 21-7 at halftime and damn lucky it was only that at bad as we had a bad game that day.
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I stand corrected.... 29-51, 353 yds, 2 ints, 1 td.

Does this change the point in any way, shape, form or fashion?
 
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KBVol said:
I stand corrected.... 29-51, 353 yds, 2 ints, 1 td.

Does this change the point in any way, shape, form or fashion?
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No it does not not Peyton was the greatest ever and no one knows what Peterman is. He was given one chance and had a bad performance but I am not going to let that change my opinion until I see more of him. The same way I still believe Peyton should have won the Heisman that season but the rest of the nation formed an opinion off of the few times they seen him play that year and we all know how that turned out.
 
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volfan411 said:
No it does not not Peyton was the greatest ever and no one knows what Peterman is. He was given you chance and had a bad performance but I am not going to let that change my opinion until I see more of him. The same way I still believe Peyton should have the Heisman that season but the rest of the nation formed an opinion of the few times they seen him play that year and we all know how that turned out.
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The point that guy was making I was responding to was a very specific one....that Peyton was also awful in his game(s) down in the Swamp, if we isolate and judge Peyton on those games alone we'd have been terribly wrong and therefore should cut Peterman some slack.

While I think it's more than fair to assess and analyze Peterman's only collegiate start in an effort to try and project how he might perform going forward (after all, look at all the criticism both Worley & Dobbs get based on their play last year), I can certainly agree that his first half vs Florida, however dreadful it was, was a small sample size and he deserves the opportunity to compete for and indeed win the starting job this year if he earns it.

However, trying the cheap trick of bringing up Peyton's "poor play" at Florida, when in fact he played pretty damn well and was not remotely the reason that UT lost the '95 game (or '97 for that matter, although to a lesser degree), his first start at Florida, was a poor attempt to try and and prop up and even forgive Peterman's historically bad half of play last year because it was factually incorrect.
 
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KBVol said:
He does? Honest question. I know Dobbs has put on 20 lbs of muscle and Worley looks bigger and stronger than I remember him being last year. Peterman looks fit as well, moves well, but I haven't noticed him looking in better physical condition than the others given what we've been able to see. Not sure how we'd know.
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I just saw an article stating that Peterman may be among the strongest QB's the Vols have ever had
 
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photovol said:
I just saw an article stating that Peterman may be among the strongest QB's the Vols have ever had
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Ok. Kid obviously works his tail off and is a great teammate. Who knows, perhaps one day he gets his opportunity and fully redeems himself. I hope his great attitude and hard work is rewarded and that he does.
 
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volfan411 said:
You are wrong about 1997 he had 2 INTS and one was returned for a touchdown by Tony George. We were down 21-7 at halftime and damn lucky it was only that at bad as we played that day and that Florida team was not that good. I believe they went on to lose a few SEC games which gave us the Eastern title.

A lot of natIonal pundits pointed to that game as the reason Peyton lost the Heisman that year as the game was nationally televised and he played so poorly. If I remember correctly the majority of his yards came late in the second half when the game was out of reach.
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Btw, I stand corrected again. Peyton actually threw 2 tds in the '97 game at Florida. So basically, while it's become mythology that Peyton was just awful vs Florida and the reason they lost during his 4 years at UT, even though he only started 3 games, he threw for 8 tds vs 6 ints (4 in one game) and nearly 1,200 yds in his career vs Florida. While it was neither enough nor up to his typical standards, he wasn't the complete failure vs Fla that he's typically portrayed as being.
 
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KBVol said:
Btw, I stand corrected again. Peyton actually threw 2 tds in the '97 game at Florida. So basically, while it's become mythology that Peyton was just awful vs Florida and the reason they lost during his 4 years at UT, even though he only started 3 games, he threw for 8 tds vs 6 ints (4 in one game) and nearly 1,200 yds in his career vs Florida. While it was neither enough nor up to his typical standards, he wasn't the complete failure vs Fla that he's typically portrayed as being.
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I agree and unfortunately the QB takes to much blame for wins and losses. A good example is the 1995 game where Peyton played well enough to win but a couple of fumbles and maybe one of the worst defensive performances we have seen at UT caused a loss.

I am happy for Worley being named the starter and I believe he gives the team the best chance to be successful and I am sure we are one bad half away from debating this all over again. :)
 
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volfan411 said:
I agree and unfortunately the QB takes to much blame for wins and losses. A good example is the 1995 game where Peyton played well enough to win but a couple of fumbles and maybe one of the worst defensive performances we have seen at UT caused a loss.

I am happy for Worley being named the starter and I believe he gives the team the best chance to be successful and I am sure we are one bad half away from debating this all over again. :)
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Surely you don't think it will take a whole half. :crazy:
 
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KBVol said:
I stand corrected.... 29-51, 353 yds, 2 ints, 1 td.

Does this change the point in any way, shape, form or fashion?
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Pretty substantially imo. Look, the greater point here is if you only judge someone off their worst moment you are being completely short sighted. Apparently since last I checked Worley was named starter and I, like you I am sure, hope he does well.

Odds are a backup will also play at some point. If it is Peterman I'm sure we will all pull for him to also do well.
 
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Falcons02 said:
Pretty substantially imo. Look, the greater point here is if you only judge someone off their worst moment you are being completely short sighted. Apparently since last I checked Worley was named starter and I, like you I am sure, hope he does well.

Odds are a backup will also play at some point. If it is Peterman I'm sure we will all pull for him to also do well.
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Look, in life you're right, you don't judge someone based in their worst (and only) moment unless what they've done is so egregious that you have no choice. However, we're talking about choosing a starting QB and we have to make a judgment about Peterman on is the only sample we have. Not only does Worley have a much more substantial body of work but it's much more successful That's one of my points. The other point I was making was refuting the Peyton comparison.

Btw, the fact that he threw 2 ints in his second start vs Florida rather than 1 doesn't remotely change the point one single bit.

Yes, we're both fans and will pull like hell for Justin, just like I'll pull like crazy for both Nathan and Joshua if they find themselves behind center. Go Vols.
 
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Falcons02 said:
Pretty substantially imo. Look, the greater point here is if you only judge someone off their worst moment you are being completely short sighted. Apparently since last I checked Worley was named starter and I, like you I am sure, hope he does well.

Odds are a backup will also play at some point. If it is Peterman I'm sure we will all pull for him to also do well.
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How many baseball players get one at bat or game in the bigs and then are never heard of again? Many. Sometimes when you get that one chance and you bomb it like Peterman did, you never get another chance. He didn't have just a bad day, he had a horrendous day when he was finally given a chance. If he gained 40 yards or something better, then you'd have more of an argument.
 
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KBVol said:
Missouri, during the SEC regular season, was the #2 ranked defense in the conference. Missouri's defense was also the best in the SEC in sacks and turnovers caused, ranking in the top 5 nationally in both categories.

Nathan Peterman

1st half
4-11, 5 yds, 2 INT ....

Final: Florida 31-14 thanks to Justin Worley coming in, settling the offense down, and actually getting us in the end zone.

Btw, your stats were wrong about Dobbs. Only threw 2 ints, not 3. You also left out the fact that Dobbs was our leading rusher (45 yds) vs Missouri. Pretty sure Peterman's 3 rushes for -3 yds didn't lead the team vs Florida.
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You need to move on. If Dobbs was better he would be starting. He isn't, so he's not.
 
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